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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 1, 2016 17:28:20 GMT
I like DA2. Yes, the repeated terrain was infuriating, but the story had so much potential. It could have been great, and the DLC was better than both DAO and DAI.
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Post by Debaser on Aug 1, 2016 17:41:47 GMT
Legacy DLC was good, but the Tallis one was awful. Ignoring the obvious flaws such as recycled terrain and from the sky appearing enemies I liked the first two acts of DA:2. I didn't like the forced family deaths especially the sibling one based off your class. Momma Hawke's death was ruined by too much foreshadowing I thought. I mean they beat us over the head with her impending capture and/or death it kind of ruined any suspense or shock the scene may have had. Meredith was actually a pretty good antagonist until Act 3 then she just became crazy along with all the rest of Act 3. I agree tho I think DA:2 as it is with DLC included was a below average game, but with a year or two more time in the oven it could have been a solid title. Act 3 especially showed the rushed nature of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 18:19:10 GMT
I heard they only had 18 months, asked for longer, and were refused.
If DA2 had had another year's development it could've been far better, Legacy hints at how good it could have been. I still really like DA2 but they shot themselves in the foot by not taking more time. Sadly the repercussions of that were huge, and DAI had to deal with the fallout re. Hawke, the well of sorrows and the eluvian. It's really sad tbh.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 1, 2016 19:15:08 GMT
I really liked DA2 , still do. I think it's really flawed , remember finishing the game the first time and wanting to smash my head against the keyboard.It felt rushed and unfinished. But anyway that's how I became a huge DA fan. I had played DAO really liked it even played DAA, forgot about the game for a while and then poof out of the blue DA2 was here. First time I played with a voiced protag was Hawke.Being able to play HAwke as a snarky/goofy dude/dudette made me like it.
Then Bioware/Origin send me a free ME2 game for buying DA2 . Ah good times.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 1, 2016 20:42:13 GMT
The two main things for me were the repeated environments and the "one more wave" style of combat. If both of those things were fixed, then the game would have been a lot better.
I will say that regardless of one's feelings about Inquisition, I think that it's good EA decided to give BioWare time to actually finish their games rather than continuing the trend that they were trying to go for with Dragon Age 2.
Also, sarcastic Hawke is just the best.
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Post by mrsanomaly on Aug 1, 2016 21:12:26 GMT
Flaws don't make something unworthy. DA2 has a special place in my heart. I felt like the story was Hawke's story, and far more personal than the Warden. I love my Wardens and my Inquisitors but I like how Hawke had her own destiny in her city instead of the world.
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Post by Steelcan on Aug 1, 2016 21:51:23 GMT
The biggest problem with DA2 is what is said in the second line of the OP. It's story had potential, but it didn't live up to it. If all of the problems that were purely technical, ie repeated environments and poor combat, were ameliorated the story itself wouldn't be amazing.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 1, 2016 22:12:56 GMT
The two main things for me were the repeated environments and the "one more wave" style of combat. If both of those things were fixed, then the game would have been a lot better. I will say that regardless of one's feelings about Inquisition, I think that it's good EA decided to give BioWare time to actually finish their games rather than continuing the trend that they were trying to go for with Dragon Age 2. Also, sarcastic Hawke is just the best. What do you mean it 'can't' be a coincidence? It sounds exactly like a coincidence!
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Post by natureguy85 on Aug 1, 2016 22:37:34 GMT
DA2 had a crappy story, especially for a video game because of the lack of agency Hawke has, and weak characters. I laughed at the recycled environments but they were a relatively minor problem. There was no "rise to power" and the time skips really hurt everything. There were some good things, and as one dimensional as most characters were, they somehow interacted in an entertaining way. The story didn't go anywhere interesting or reveal more about Thedas. All it did was set up Inquisition. That's why Legacy and Mark of the Assassin were awesome. They touched on things brought up in Origins and important to Thedas overall.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 1, 2016 22:48:21 GMT
The two main things for me were the repeated environments and the "one more wave" style of combat. If both of those things were fixed, then the game would have been a lot better. I will say that regardless of one's feelings about Inquisition, I think that it's good EA decided to give BioWare time to actually finish their games rather than continuing the trend that they were trying to go for with Dragon Age 2. Also, sarcastic Hawke is just the best. What do you mean it 'can't' be a coincidence? It sounds exactly like a coincidence! Hey "What's a Meckel ?" was funny.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 1:56:32 GMT
I like DA2. Yes, the repeated terrain was infuriating, but the story had so much potential. It could have been great, and the DLC was better than both DAO and DAI. If only it weren't so rushed as well.... )
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 2, 2016 4:01:45 GMT
I loved DA2, I thought it was already great. I'm still reeling from the idea that I almost never attempted it due to the bad reviews.
I also feel like I must be the only one in the fandom who didn't mind the re-used environments. It obviously didn't help immersion in the story, but I found it easy to overlook. The continuous waves of enemies, otoh, really frustrated me.
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Post by Nayawk on Aug 2, 2016 5:31:51 GMT
I also feel like I must be the only one in the fandom who didn't mind the re-used environments. Make that two that didn't really care about the re-used environments. I'm here for the story and the story was good. I liked the time jumps and it being a more personal story. I liked that Hawke in the end doesn't really have much of a say about how the world turns, I don't need to be a super special world saver every single game I play.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 2, 2016 7:23:24 GMT
DA2's story lost me during the prologue and never really recovered from it. I enjoyed sarcastic Hawke with his Isabela/Aveline/Varric fun brigade (couldn't stand the other companions), but that's about it. I never managed to motivate myself to care for the main story line, because it forced me in directions I didn't want to go. I wanted to protect my family, and I didn't give a hoot about what the Qunari or the Viscount or anyone else wanted. By the time I got to "Shepherding Wolves", I felt that I had been placed onto a set of tracks and given a kick to the rear to pick up some speed. Why did have to do the job for that chantry lady? I had the frigging expedition money right here and I didn't want any more delays!
The reused environments were a minor quibble for me. The story and the forced drama were what truly made my toes curl up.
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Post by Masque on Aug 2, 2016 12:28:34 GMT
I enjoyed the toned-down storyline, the change from being a warden amassing an army to defeat the blight to just being a regular person trying to get by and establish a new life for his/her family was alright. I enjoyed most of the companions and their individual backstories and goals, and the way they interacted with each other. (Fenris and Anders constantly bickering was annoying in an endearing sort of way.) I liked Kirkwall, to a degree - it's history as the center of Tevinter slave trade, the chilling discoveries of the Band of Three, the mage vs templar tension and the Qunari squatters made for a sort of dark and intriguing atmosphere.
The main thing that I truly didn't like was being confined to Kirkwall. Looping around the city and the Wounded Coast over and over again began to feel tedious. I suppose I was spoiled by DAO where we traveled across Ferelden and each area had it's own personality. The dlcs for DA2 helped a bit. Legacy was pretty sweet - Cory whooped my ass proper the first couple of times. MoA was kinda meh; nothing against Felicia Day but I found Tallis to be rather annoying.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 2, 2016 12:44:20 GMT
The story didn't take off for me at all. I gave up on before it even started off - it was a bargain bin purchase anyway - just to keep up with the storyline for DAI. Also couldn't figure out these combos - they rarely happened.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 2, 2016 12:46:26 GMT
The main thing that I truly didn't like was being confined to Kirkwall. Looping around the city and the Wounded Coast over and over again began to feel tedious. I suppose I was spoiled by DAO where we traveled across Ferelden and each area had it's own personality. The dlcs for DA2 helped a bit. Legacy was pretty sweet - Cory whooped my ass proper the first couple of times. MoA was kinda meh; nothing against Felicia Day but I found Tallis to be rather annoying. Arghgh the Wounded Coast. As much as I enjoyed DA2 , having to drag my feet at the Wounded Coast every chapter wasn't the best. Worst I somehow managed to get lost here (don't ask me how , I tend to get lost everywhere) there's nothing worst than turning around in circle in the bloody Wounded Coast. About Tallis , I was fine with the DLC , but then I watched her mini Youtube Serie , and it was so bad ...I mean I'm sure she put a lot of effort into it and money and time , but the writing was horrible. She tried even more to make Tallis look like a complex badass but it felt flat and it was like reading the worst self insert fan faction. The fact that Bioware , and Gaider were enthralled with her and push that as official DA material .My theory is because she worked with Joss Whedon and Gaider is a huge Whedon fan, it happened ...still put your fangirling aside and be proffessional when it comes to quality, she's a voice actress , she didn't need to write DA material , and get her face in the game , and get a tailor made character.
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Post by Masque on Aug 2, 2016 12:53:34 GMT
The main thing that I truly didn't like was being confined to Kirkwall. Looping around the city and the Wounded Coast over and over again began to feel tedious. I suppose I was spoiled by DAO where we traveled across Ferelden and each area had it's own personality. The dlcs for DA2 helped a bit. Legacy was pretty sweet - Cory whooped my ass proper the first couple of times. MoA was kinda meh; nothing against Felicia Day but I found Tallis to be rather annoying. Arghgh the Wounded Coast. As much as I enjoyed DA2 , having to drag my feet at the Wounded Coast every chapter wasn't the best. Worst I somehow managed to get lost here (don't ask me how , I tend to get lost everywhere) there's nothing worst than turning around in circle in the bloody Wounded Coast. About Tallis , I was fine with the DLC , but then I watched her mini Youtube Serie , and it was so bad ...I mean I'm sure she put a lot of effort into it and money and time , but the writing was horrible. She tried even more to make Tallis look like a complex badass but it felt flat and it was like reading the worst self insert fan faction. The fact that Bioware , and Gaider were enthralled with her and push that as official DA material .My theory is because she worked with Joss Whedon and Gaider is a huge Whedon fan, it happened ...still put your fangirling aside and be proffessional when it comes to quality, she's a voice actress , she didn't need to write DA material , and get her face in the game , and get a tailor made character. That mini series was such a cringe-fest. I literally covered my face with my hands in utter embarrassment when she's standing amidst the wreckage of that Dalish clan where the Mask of Fen'Harel was stolen. All these elves distraught over their camp being destroyed and there's Tallis.. with a bowl and spoon acting unbearably sassy like nothing happened. Ugh.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 2, 2016 12:54:05 GMT
I may have come off a bit too negative. Make no mistake, I think the game had a huge potential. I actually very much like the idea of a smaller scale, personal story, where no continent / world / galaxy needs saving. I have no problems with the plot being limited to a single city. But for that to work, the city itself needs to be a character, so to say, the central character even - and Kirkwall was anything but that. Too small, too lacking in detail. Alas.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 2, 2016 13:04:03 GMT
That mini series was such a cringe-fest. I literally covered my face with my hands in utter embarrassment when she's standing amidst the wreckage of that Dalish clan where the Mask of Fen'Harel was stolen. All these elves distraught over their camp being destroyed and there's Tallis.. with a bowl and spoon acting unbearably sassy like nothing happened. Ugh. I still vaguely remember "Are you a healer?" .Stab the guy."Lol I just wanted to make sure." /facepalm. Also the group confession " I had issues with Qun.I didn't follow my mission...""No!" "YEs , I find out about a pedophile and kill him and cut him in little pieces but it wasn't a demand of the Qun..." * all friends give looks of admiration* Stealing from the poor Dalish was also a lulwat moment.Sure , steal from the poor hobos in the forest , girl , so rebelz. And obviously the templar romance , but fair enough it's DA , you have to get a LI Anyway I probably got some stuff wrong , watched that years ago , but it's my general impression.
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Post by Masque on Aug 2, 2016 13:13:33 GMT
That mini series was such a cringe-fest. I literally covered my face with my hands in utter embarrassment when she's standing amidst the wreckage of that Dalish clan where the Mask of Fen'Harel was stolen. All these elves distraught over their camp being destroyed and there's Tallis.. with a bowl and spoon acting unbearably sassy like nothing happened. Ugh. I still vaguely remember "Are you a healer?" .Stab the guy."Lol I just wanted to make sure." /facepalm. Also the group confession " I had issues with Qun.I didn't follow my mission...""No!" "YEs , I find out about a pedophile and kill him and cut him in little pieces but it wasn't a demand of the Qun..." * all friends give looks of admiration* Stealing from the poor Dalish was also a lulwat moment.Sure , steal from the poor hobos in the forest , girl , so rebelz. And obviously the templar romance , but fair enough it's DA , you have to get a LI Anyway I probably got some stuff wrong , watched that years ago , but it's my general impression. Your memory is pretty spot on actually. I guess my overall impression is in alignment with yours - she just tried way too hard to make Tallis sassy and rebellious; to me it came off as needlessly reckless and immature.
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Post by xrayspex73 on Aug 2, 2016 18:49:45 GMT
I enjoyed DA2 quite a bit. It's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Were there huge flaws? For sure. The reused dungeons were infuriating.
Does anyone find that Cory was more intimidating in Legacy than in DA:I?
I kinda thought Cory bumbled around DA:I and was never very scary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 19:04:34 GMT
i already think its the best one *flees*
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Post by Monk on Aug 2, 2016 20:37:52 GMT
I think it's was a good game rushed. It had all the elements necessary to make it great but it was pushed too quickly out the door. Way too many corners were cut. I think the only thing which survived intact was the core story and game mechanics. All the necessary voice acting, maps, side quests, … didn't get the attention they needed.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Aug 3, 2016 0:45:22 GMT
I greatly enjoyed DA2, but yeah, it could have been better. I struggle sometimes to look past the reused terrain. The companions and banter are good though. Is the Legacy DLC worth it? It's the only one I don't have, and it sort of bugs me in DA:I when Hawke and Varric talk about killing Cory.
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