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Post by Beregond5 on Feb 7, 2017 11:08:00 GMT
I've always pardoned him so far. It seems to be a Bioware theme if you look back to, say, KOTOR - it doesn't matter what you've done in the past, but what you're doing now, in the present. And Blackwall (Rainier) offered to help the Inquisition, even if somewhere in the back of his mind he knew he was exposing himself (he did go into hiding for a reason, after all) and he did help. And he wasn't only inspired by the GW to do the right thing, he was also inspired by the Inquisitor, which is what drove him to finally confess who he really is. I also liked what the Quizzie said about him when he addressed the Wardens in Adamant 'I think you reminded them something that they forgot'.
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Feb 7, 2017 18:58:12 GMT
My canon run just leaves him in his cell awaiting execution. My character wasn't a saint, but after learning everything about the crime, I felt that there absolutely needed to be a significant punishment. The thing that bothers me the most is that so many of his men had already been executed before he finally shows himself to rescue Mornay. So many years go by with Blackwall remaining in hiding, while his former, misled, loyal men are captured and pay for their superior's crimes. And he doesn't confront his past until the Inquisitor inspires Blackwall to put just a little more effort into atoning.
He is still one of my favorite characters despite this. So, my alternate run enjoys his romance, and a pardon and redemption.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 19:18:19 GMT
It does sour my sympathies towards him when, upon talking to him in the cell, he chews Quizz out for the Inquisition lying about being the Herald of Andraste even if said Quizz has rejected the title and has told Josie to stop claiming that their divine. Also, Blackwall comparing that to you lying about your identity are two completely different things. The Quizz maybe using this to gain allies, while you have been using it to save your ass from execution while your men died in your place.
Revas didn't get Blackwall's personal quest, but if she did then two things would have happened. Either she would have left him there, or force him into servitude. She's by far a saint and is okay with some amoral actions, but she have some standards and one of those is to have loyalty to your men. The murder of a family wouldn't bother her that much, but she would be disgusted by his abandonment of his men and then going on pretending that he has the moral high ground. So she would leave him there if she didn't think she would have a use for him, after his personal quest he would no longer be a person but a tool to use.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 7, 2017 19:23:07 GMT
It does sour my sympathies towards him when, upon talking to him in the cell, he chews Quizz out for the Inquisition lying about being the Herald of Andraste even if said Quizz has rejected the title and has told Josie to stop claiming that their divine. Also, Blackwall comparing that to you lying about your identity are two completely different things. The Quizz maybe using this to gain allies, while you have been using it to save your ass from execution while your men died in your place. Hmmm, that sounds like a bug to me. I've never had him accuse me of that. Other stuff, yes, but never that. |
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Post by shroomofdoom on Feb 8, 2017 16:06:10 GMT
I usually send him to the Wardens, post Cory, my latest playtrhough I pardoned him and it just didn't feel right. I felt like my Quizzie is hand waving everything he did in the past, because he has turned over a new leaf. Sure, he wants to do better now and my Quizzie is all for second chances(everyone gets one, but just the one)but I feel there has to be some form of punishment, some recognition of the lives he has destroyed. No amount of lives saved, or made better, can make up for the lives lost by his actions. The scales can't be rebalanced. It just doesn't work that way. For any of my Quizzies anyway.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 8, 2017 16:20:09 GMT
I've both pardoned him and made him a Grey Warden, depending on the game.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 9, 2017 0:09:52 GMT
It occurs to me that I have never chosen anything except to pardon him. Reason for this is simple: He's one hell of a guard generator and almost never dies.
So my question is simple as well: if you force him to join the grey wardens, does he stay available to keep in your party or no?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 9, 2017 0:45:48 GMT
It occurs to me that I have never chosen anything except to pardon him. Reason for this is simple: He's one hell of a guard generator and almost never dies. So my question is simple as well: if you force him to join the grey wardens, does he stay available to keep in your party or no? He does! He doesn't undertake his Joining until after the game ends. (It happens in the gap between the base game and Trespasser, but he comes back to help you with that before returning to the Wardens.) |
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 9, 2017 0:57:51 GMT
Yeah, my first couple times I didn't want to give him to the Wardens either 'cause I thought it would meant he left, but he never actually leaves your party. I like to "headcanon" that he isn't available post-Doom Upon all the World (even though he still is, even then), but the Wardens lend him back to me for The Descent, and I take him there.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 9, 2017 2:14:02 GMT
It occurs to me that I have never chosen anything except to pardon him. Reason for this is simple: He's one hell of a guard generator and almost never dies. So my question is simple as well: if you force him to join the grey wardens, does he stay available to keep in your party or no? He does! He doesn't undertake his Joining until after the game ends. (It happens in the gap between the base game and Trespasser, but he comes back to help you with that before returning to the Wardens.) Ah, delightful. I guess I know what I am choosing with my male rogue lavellan then. Seems to be the perfect decision. For DA4 I'm sure there will be some excellent uses for a grey warden (at least, let's hope >.< [more darkspawn stuff please >.<]). Oh and I have yet to play trespasser so please don't spoil it. I just know that cory was a darkspawn so I can't wait to see what other kinds of powerful darkspawn that there are in the world of Thedas. (Dang, this is making me want to replay DA:O, its been ages! >.<) |
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Post by nougat on Feb 9, 2017 11:58:45 GMT
Lol I'm the first to vote for "refuse to recruit" option. Though Rainier' lying is not what earns my grudge. (He's not the first and not the worst companion in that respect.) It's his ridiculously thick "plot armor".
I'll re-post what I wrote on tumblr:
Let alone the 50% possibility of having ex-Grey Warden Fiona among the Inquisition folks and the fact that real Blackwall outranks Stroud and Loghain and Alistair.
So yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 17:33:05 GMT
Lol I'm the first to vote for "refuse to recruit" option. Though Rainier' lying is not what earns my grudge. (He's not the first and not the worst companion in that respect.) It's his ridiculously thick "plot armor". I'll re-post what I wrote on tumblr: Let alone the 50% possibility of having ex-Grey Warden Fiona among the Inquisition folks and the fact that real Blackwall outranks Stroud and Loghain and Alistair. So yeah... Add to that that there is a note you can find in Leliana's area of the real Blackwall saying that they would let the Ferelden fall to Darkspawn, which contradicts Blackwall's claim that he went to Ferelden when you ask him about the 5th Blight. They leave that for you to find, but you'er not allowed to confront Blackwall about it.  |
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Post by The Sith Emperor on Feb 12, 2017 19:57:06 GMT
In the only playthrough I've ever gotten Blackwall's approval high enough, I forced him into servitude.
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 13, 2017 11:01:21 GMT
Did anyone miss having additional options during Blackwall's judgment? Not that my Inquisitor would pick something so horrible, but why didn't we have the option to execute or jail him ourselves? Sure, it's pretty much what happens if we don't spring him from Val Royeaux, but still... would be nice to have the opportunity to *really* punish him.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 13, 2017 13:51:40 GMT
Did anyone miss having additional options during Blackwall's judgment? Not that my Inquisitor would pick something so horrible, but why didn't we have the option to execute or jail him ourselves? Sure, it's pretty much what happens if we don't spring him from Val Royeaux, but still... would be nice to have the opportunity to *really* punish him. Springing him out of prison just to put him in another prison raises a question of "why bother?" as it wastes a lot of people's time and resources just for a petty grudge. Execution brings the same thing question as he's going to be hung as well. Conscription into the Inquisition by forcing him to maintain the lie as Blackwall was already dumb as hell if you're doing it out of some sense of outrage at him stealing a Warden's identity. I'm sure Bioware had planned for an option for the Inquisitor to be able to do a reign of terror but I'm not sure why they scrapped it. As it is, Blackwall was right when he calls the Inquisitor out for breaking him out of prison although at that point, it's not as though the war table doesn't have suspicious decisions destroying people's lives for a gain whether it's sending someone to a fight they don't return from or sending out an assassination or ruining their reputation in the Game where one wrong move is fatal. |
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Post by opuspace on Feb 13, 2017 13:56:24 GMT
Lol I'm the first to vote for "refuse to recruit" option. Though Rainier' lying is not what earns my grudge. (He's not the first and not the worst companion in that respect.) It's his ridiculously thick "plot armor". I'll re-post what I wrote on tumblr: Let alone the 50% possibility of having ex-Grey Warden Fiona among the Inquisition folks and the fact that real Blackwall outranks Stroud and Loghain and Alistair. So yeah... Add to that that there is a note you can find in Leliana's area of the real Blackwall saying that they would let the Ferelden fall to Darkspawn, which contradicts Blackwall's claim that he went to Ferelden when you ask him about the 5th Blight. They leave that for you to find, but you'er not allowed to confront Blackwall about it. There were a lot of things that didn't make sense, like not getting to press Solas for answers after the Winter Palace when he flubs about the elves being his people. As it is, all that can justify the Inquisitor not acting on it is that since they're not a Warden and more focused on recruiting all available help, it was just too small to worry over. Same thing as to why no one was doing a more thorough background check on all the spies in the Inquisition. |
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 13, 2017 14:24:24 GMT
I'm sure Bioware had planned for an option for the Inquisitor to be able to do a reign of terror but I'm not sure why they scrapped it. I know people talk about this from time to time, but is there some source that BioWare actually planned TerrorInquisitor? It'd be great if they actually incorporated it into the game! The last BioWare game where you could truly do this was KotOR. I miss being able to roleplay a true bad guy and not just a douche. |
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Post by sahlie on Feb 13, 2017 17:25:32 GMT
I use to pardon him. But then, after he has his freedom, I am surprised he doesn't try to became a GW by his own...
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Post by opuspace on Feb 13, 2017 18:26:57 GMT
I use to pardon him. But then, after he has his freedom, I am surprised he doesn't try to became a GW by his own... It's not surprising really, given the batcrap crazy stuff the Wardens were getting up to in Inquisition. Their main focus is stop the Darkspawn, anything else is a secondary concern. Because his pardon is granted on the condition that he continues atoning, it'd be hard to do if the Wardens ordered him to do something morally dubious again, which they're well known for. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 13, 2017 21:27:18 GMT
I'm sure Bioware had planned for an option for the Inquisitor to be able to do a reign of terror but I'm not sure why they scrapped it. I know people talk about this from time to time, but is there some source that BioWare actually planned TerrorInquisitor? It'd be great if they actually incorporated it into the game! The last BioWare game where you could truly do this was KotOR. I miss being able to roleplay a true bad guy and not just a douche. I think part of the idea comes from the fact that they talked about the idea of the Inquisitor (under certain conditions) declaring themselves divine. Source.Also, if you look at the concept art in the linked post, Cassandra looks pissed and Leliana is sobbing in horror, so it's not like this is some positive thing. |
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 13, 2017 23:10:53 GMT
Forced him into servitude and used Secrets to replace him with an imposter. I'm not going to indulge his stupid atonement for something he wasn't responsible for, especially when he's trying to save a man who actually took part in the murders and dragging the Inquisition's name through the mud in the process. I'd be lying if I said spite wasn't one of the main reasons because I had really lost my patience by the end of this quest.
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Post by capn233 on Feb 13, 2017 23:21:29 GMT
Usually get him out jail via whatever method, then more or less give him a pardon.
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Post by _Wolf Rider_ on Feb 14, 2017 2:08:43 GMT
When I found out what Blackwall did, he became a real Grey Warden.
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Post by davkar on Feb 14, 2017 15:52:30 GMT
It depends on the inquisitor. Humans (most, especially the faithful ones) send him to the wardens, the other 3 races pardon him. On my 'red' pt with a qunari warrior he pissed me off though. It was my 3rd so I knew everything about him and the possible judgment options. Since he was 'bad' (although that world state was pretty secure in the end  ) he didn't like the inqi. He was especially beepy after the winter palace (Celene died), dissed him left and right. I was like, "dude calm down, you killed children". At adamant I ran into a bug; I didn't bring him along, but after exiling the wardens he just appeared asking about his own position in the inquisition after this. I shrugged, didn't want to replay the whole quest and sent him away with his 'brethren'. Case closed. |
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) he didn't like the inqi. He was especially beepy after the winter palace (Celene died), dissed him left and right. I was like, "dude calm down, you killed children". At adamant I ran into a bug; I didn't bring him along, but after exiling the wardens he just appeared asking about his own position in the inquisition after this. I shrugged, didn't want to replay the whole quest and sent him away with his 'brethren'. Case closed.