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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 6, 2018 15:56:53 GMT
Ehhh... I don't see how that is noteworthy. With the exception of the few noble ones, DA protagonists usually come from humble origins. It's not just about where they started out. In Origins, even a socially humble Warden goes on a grand quest to save the country from monsters and/or avenge his honour or family. In Inquisition, you're essentially Chosen to help found the fantasy-CIA and play ambassador to coordinate with powerful nations to fix a world-threatening crisis. Meanwhile, Hawke is hiring out his sword and doing odd jobs locally in the hope of saving up, investing and making enough money to... improve his/her family's living situation. And that's pretty much the first half of the game. Stories like that are just way more relatable and closer to earth than an epic journey to save the world from evil. Most of us know what it's like to start out at rock bottom and try to make our way in the world with just our skills and our word that we'll work our asses off and fulfill our ends of the bargain if people give us a chance. That's what adulthood is. And in a fantasy world, that doesn't mean you can't fight a few monsters and save a few beautiful elven maidens every once in a while too. The Witcher has a few of the same themes, mainly in the first book of the series, but Geralt tends to be swept up in national politics and intrigue and ancient prophecies a bit too often for the books or games to feel that grounded in his professional career and personal finances.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 6, 2018 16:05:03 GMT
Ehhh... I don't see how that is noteworthy. With the exception of the few noble ones, DA protagonists usually come from humble origins. It's not just about where they started out. In Origins, even a socially humble Warden goes on a grand quest to save the country from monsters and/or avenge his honour or family. In Inquisition, you're essentially Chosen to help found the fantasy-CIA and play ambassador to coordinate with powerful nations to fix a world-threatening crisis. Meanwhile, Hawke is hiring out his sword and doing odd jobs locally in the hope of saving up, investing and making enough money to... improve his/her family's living situation. And that's pretty much the first half of the game. Stories like that are just way more relatable and closer to earth than an epic journey to save the world from evil. Most of us know what it's like to start out at rock bottom and try to make our way in the world with just our skills and our word that we'll work our asses off and fulfill our ends of the bargain if people give us a chance. That's what adulthood is. And in a fantasy world, that doesn't mean you can't fight a few monsters and save a few beautiful elven maidens every once in a while too. The Witcher has a few of the same themes, mainly in the first book of the series, but Geralt tends to be swept up in national politics and intrigue and ancient prophecies a bit too often for the books or games to feel that grounded in his professional career and personal finances. Yeah, I do enjoy the fact that Hawke isn't a hero. Just a regular person trying to make a living and then getting drunk at the Hanged Man.
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 6, 2018 23:58:31 GMT
It's not just about where they started out. In Origins, even a socially humble Warden goes on a grand quest to save the country from monsters and/or avenge his honour or family. In Inquisition, you're essentially Chosen to help found the fantasy-CIA and play ambassador to coordinate with powerful nations to fix a world-threatening crisis. Meanwhile, Hawke is hiring out his sword and doing odd jobs locally in the hope of saving up, investing and making enough money to... improve his/her family's living situation. And that's pretty much the first half of the game. Stories like that are just way more relatable and closer to earth than an epic journey to save the world from evil. Most of us know what it's like to start out at rock bottom and try to make our way in the world with just our skills and our word that we'll work our asses off and fulfill our ends of the bargain if people give us a chance. That's what adulthood is. And in a fantasy world, that doesn't mean you can't fight a few monsters and save a few beautiful elven maidens every once in a while too. The Witcher has a few of the same themes, mainly in the first book of the series, but Geralt tends to be swept up in national politics and intrigue and ancient prophecies a bit too often for the books or games to feel that grounded in his professional career and personal finances. Yeah, I do enjoy the fact that Hawke isn't a hero. Just a regular person trying to make a living and then getting drunk at the Hanged Man. Yup. That's what I mean by working-class adventurer. It's my favorite thing about the Witcher too. When you go about doing your job, and decide how much to charge for services, which jobs are too far out of your purview to be worth chasing, when/if to compromise your professional ethics, which poor customers you go the extra mile for because they obviously need it, and how to handle the ones who try to take advantage of you to avoid hurting your bottom-line in the long run. It's too bad you're too busy chasing conspiracies and adopted children and stuff for those things to be much more than side quests. I'd die for a Witcher RPG focusing on Eskel or Lambert or some other non-legendary-White-Wolf witcher, just wandering the countryside plying their trade. Mass Effect does a comparable thing by making you a professional soldier, and imprinting Shepard heavily with military protocol that the player can choose to abide by or bend here and there for whatever reason. It's the main reason I never really romance anyone but Liara in ME1. Shepard is still too integrated in the Alliance chain-of-command for fraternising with subordinates to feel very professional or ethical. Those are the sorts of decisions people actually face every day all over the world. But DA2 is the only RPG I can think of where the storyline is literally you going from job to job, paycheck to paycheck, to build up your savings and get the word out about your skills and services and maybe attract a rich patron, at least for a big part of the game. I was too young to appreciate that facet of it when it came out, but now I most certainly do.
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Post by disgustednoise on Aug 7, 2018 8:43:43 GMT
disgustednoise I'm finally starting to see the appeal of red Hawke. I'm pretty sure I'm still mostly blue, but picking a lot more red options this time 'round. Really, Hawke is just tired of all these people and their bullshit. Yes, exactly. It drives me crazy when people try to spin Red as "evil" Hawke. He's just a grumpy boy who doesn't have time for your nonsense.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 7, 2018 10:47:18 GMT
disgustednoise I'm finally starting to see the appeal of red Hawke. I'm pretty sure I'm still mostly blue, but picking a lot more red options this time 'round. Really, Hawke is just tired of all these people and their bullshit. Yes, exactly. It drives me crazy when people try to spin Red as "evil" Hawke. He's just a grumpy boy who doesn't have time for your nonsense. Because some red dialogue options are pretty evil, like being a dick to that kid in Loose Ends.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 7, 2018 10:52:20 GMT
disgustednoise I'm finally starting to see the appeal of red Hawke. I'm pretty sure I'm still mostly blue, but picking a lot more red options this time 'round. Really, Hawke is just tired of all these people and their bullshit. Yes, exactly. It drives me crazy when people try to spin Red as "evil" Hawke. He's just a grumpy boy who doesn't have time for your nonsense. Red Hawke isn't evil...they're just brutally honest and...often brutal as well
one of my favorite banters with a Red!Hawke *after Carver's little rant about feeling out of place/being stuck in Hawke's shadow*
Hawke: feeling better getting that of your chest? Carver: *surprised* I...I suppose so Hawke: good, because I carry every death with me, if you want that weight be prepared to carry it (or something like that, I kinda forgot)
during my current playthrough I try to mix up my Hawke's personality, she's still mostly Diplomatic...but every now and then I slip in some reds and purple as well
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Post by Iddy on Aug 7, 2018 11:37:56 GMT
Yes, exactly. It drives me crazy when people try to spin Red as "evil" Hawke. He's just a grumpy boy who doesn't have time for your nonsense. Red Hawke isn't evil...they're just brutally honest and...often brutal as well
one of my favorite banters with a Red!Hawke *after Carver's little rant about feeling out of place/being stuck in Hawke's shadow*
Hawke: feeling better getting that of your chest? Carver: *surprised* I...I suppose so Hawke: good, because I carry every death with me, if you want that weight be prepared to carry it (or something like that, I kinda forgot)
during my current playthrough I try to mix up my Hawke's personality, she's still mostly Diplomatic...but every now and then I slip in some reds and purple as well I love Carver and all, but that line is perfect for when he is being a douchenozzle. There is another similarly satisfying moment, when Carver says "We're running from your bloody templars!" and purple Hawke replies "Don't worry. After all, the templars dogging us are mine."
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 7, 2018 13:02:38 GMT
Red Hawke isn't evil...they're just brutally honest and...often brutal as well
one of my favorite banters with a Red!Hawke *after Carver's little rant about feeling out of place/being stuck in Hawke's shadow*
Hawke: feeling better getting that of your chest? Carver: *surprised* I...I suppose so Hawke: good, because I carry every death with me, if you want that weight be prepared to carry it (or something like that, I kinda forgot)
during my current playthrough I try to mix up my Hawke's personality, she's still mostly Diplomatic...but every now and then I slip in some reds and purple as well I love Carver and all, but that line is perfect for when he is being a douchenozzle. There is another similarly satisfying moment, when Carver says "We're running from your bloody templars!" and purple Hawke replies "Don't worry. After all, the templars dogging us are mine." oh yes, and I love Carver's reaction on that one Carver: did I sound that bad? Maker I'm turning into Gamlen!
Carver is a well meaning douche, I mean he tries to look out for Hawke in whatever way he thinks is best, and that's by diverting attention from them whenever Hawke turns attention to the fact they're a mage Carver is just standing there like: sister/brother not now he doesn't want to loose Hawke like he lost Bethany
I love his dynamic with Hawke...I often pretend that he's the older sibling and Hawke the younger one (yeah I know Hawke is the oldest, but sometimes Carver is a lot more mature then Hawke, especially when playing a Purple! Hawke ) especially the way he gets all protective when Fenris calls Hawke out on being a mage Carver: if you have a problem with my sister/brother, you have a problem with me Fenris is actually taken aback by his reaction for a split second before apologizing that he appears to be ungrateful for their help
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Post by Catilina on Aug 7, 2018 14:30:31 GMT
I love Carver and all, but that line is perfect for when he is being a douchenozzle. There is another similarly satisfying moment, when Carver says "We're running from your bloody templars!" and purple Hawke replies "Don't worry. After all, the templars dogging us are mine." oh yes, and I love Carver's reaction on that one Carver: did I sound that bad? Maker I'm turning into Gamlen!
Carver is a well meaning douche, I mean he tries to look out for Hawke in whatever way he thinks is best, and that's by diverting attention from them whenever Hawke turns attention to the fact they're a mage Carver is just standing there like: sister/brother not now he doesn't want to loose Hawke like he lost Bethany
I love his dynamic with Hawke...I often pretend that he's the older sibling and Hawke the younger one (yeah I know Hawke is the oldest, but sometimes Carver is a lot more mature then Hawke, especially when playing a Purple! Hawke ) especially the way he gets all protective when Fenris calls Hawke out on being a mage Carver: if you have a problem with my sister/brother, you have a problem with me Fenris is actually taken aback by his reaction for a split second before apologizing that he appears to be ungrateful for their help I love this line too. Carver deeply loves his family, and try to protect his sister/brother (if Hawke too provocative, he says: "This is a blighted Templar!"), but sometimes Hawke just not give a shit to his attempts, and openly challenges the destiny (most of my Hawkes definitely do that) ... this can be very frustrating to him. He already lost Bethany – I suppose he feels he failed.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 7, 2018 14:55:53 GMT
oh yes, and I love Carver's reaction on that one Carver: did I sound that bad? Maker I'm turning into Gamlen!
Carver is a well meaning douche, I mean he tries to look out for Hawke in whatever way he thinks is best, and that's by diverting attention from them whenever Hawke turns attention to the fact they're a mage Carver is just standing there like: sister/brother not now he doesn't want to loose Hawke like he lost Bethany
I love his dynamic with Hawke...I often pretend that he's the older sibling and Hawke the younger one (yeah I know Hawke is the oldest, but sometimes Carver is a lot more mature then Hawke, especially when playing a Purple! Hawke ) especially the way he gets all protective when Fenris calls Hawke out on being a mage Carver: if you have a problem with my sister/brother, you have a problem with me Fenris is actually taken aback by his reaction for a split second before apologizing that he appears to be ungrateful for their help I love this line too. Carver deeply loves his family, and try to protect his sister/brother (if Hawke too provocative, he says: "This is a blighted Templar!"), but sometimes Hawke just not give a shit to his attempts, and openly challenges the destiny (most of my Hawkes definitely do that) ... this can be very frustrating to him. He already lost Bethany – I suppose he feels he failed. I think so to... my canon Hawke (Sinéad) certainly feels that way (failing Bethany that is), and she feels she failed even more when Carver contracts the Blight and she's forced to give him up to the Wardens so that he may life.
Even though she knows bloody well that he probably won't make it out alive, and even if he does she probably will never see him again I love Hawke's (purple) line to Stroud when he initially refuses to take Carver with him
Stroud: *something about not recruiting out of pity* Hawke: no pity required, and Carver happens to be an excellent swordsman! You'd be a fool not to recruit him she's very well aware of Carver's skill in battle, even if he isn't aware of it himself
plus I love how Carver comes to terms with being a Grey Warden and finally finds a place for himself where he can excel at something, and that's protecting people he cares about, even if it means they're miles apart. (Yeah, my canon Carver is a Warden ) I also head canon that he meets my Hero of Ferelden (Eirian Cousland) and they become buddies of a sort, though he complains constantly that she's acting like his sister
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Post by Iddy on Aug 7, 2018 18:18:20 GMT
Personally, I never have my Hawkes hire the Blooming Rose's services. That's just so... pathetic and desperate.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 7, 2018 18:24:36 GMT
Personally, I never have my Hawkes hire the Blooming Rose's services. That's just so... pathetic and desperate. same here...I never have my Wardens use the Pearl's services either
which was funny when I played my Rogue Hawke, Isabela was in my party talking to Bethany
Bethany: I guess you've been with a lot of men. Isabela: Men. Women. Elves. A dwarf in drag once, but I don't recommend that. Bethany: Oh. Isabela: Aw... you're blushing! Why? How many lovers have you had? Bethany: I-I never— Isabela: You're a virgin? Hawke, you've been holding out on the poor girl! Get her a night at the Blooming Rose. On me! Bethany: That's, um, very generous. Isabela: I'm a giver.
and I was like...but Isabela, Bethany isn't the only virgin here (my Hawke was to) I had this head canon my Hawke would quip about that very fact, only to regret it instantly afterwards as Isabela would insist she'd take both my Hawke and Bethany to the Rose
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Post by Catilina on Aug 7, 2018 18:46:07 GMT
I admit I used it not once. (Not with every character – it depends) By the way, the Bethany/Carver and Anders/Fenris's reaction is worth to see. Bethany, Carver, Anders:
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Post by Iddy on Aug 7, 2018 19:00:24 GMT
Personally, I never have my Hawkes hire the Blooming Rose's services. That's just so... pathetic and desperate. same here...I never have my Wardens use the Pearl's services either
which was funny when I played my Rogue Hawke, Isabela was in my party talking to Bethany
Bethany: I guess you've been with a lot of men. Isabela: Men. Women. Elves. A dwarf in drag once, but I don't recommend that. Bethany: Oh. Isabela: Aw... you're blushing! Why? How many lovers have you had? Bethany: I-I never— Isabela: You're a virgin? Hawke, you've been holding out on the poor girl! Get her a night at the Blooming Rose. On me! Bethany: That's, um, very generous. Isabela: I'm a giver.
and I was like...but Isabela, Bethany isn't the only virgin here (my Hawke was to) I had this head canon my Hawke would quip about that very fact, only to regret it instantly afterwards as Isabela would insist she'd take both my Hawke and Bethany to the Rose Well, I certainly didn't see Bethany saying no.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 7, 2018 19:07:24 GMT
same here...I never have my Wardens use the Pearl's services either
which was funny when I played my Rogue Hawke, Isabela was in my party talking to Bethany
Bethany: I guess you've been with a lot of men. Isabela: Men. Women. Elves. A dwarf in drag once, but I don't recommend that. Bethany: Oh. Isabela: Aw... you're blushing! Why? How many lovers have you had? Bethany: I-I never— Isabela: You're a virgin? Hawke, you've been holding out on the poor girl! Get her a night at the Blooming Rose. On me! Bethany: That's, um, very generous. Isabela: I'm a giver.
and I was like...but Isabela, Bethany isn't the only virgin here (my Hawke was to) I had this head canon my Hawke would quip about that very fact, only to regret it instantly afterwards as Isabela would insist she'd take both my Hawke and Bethany to the Rose Well, I certainly didn't see Bethany saying no. true enough, to be honest...I think she's just as sneaky as Carver in regards to the Blooming Rose though at least Carver more or less spills the beans on that fact
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Post by Catilina on Aug 7, 2018 19:12:37 GMT
Well, I certainly didn't see Bethany saying no. true enough, to be honest...I think she's just as sneaky as Carver in regards to the Blooming Rose though at least Carver more or less spills the beans on that fact Isabela: I saw you at the Blooming Rose the other night. Carver: What? No, you didn't. Isabela: I suppose someone else stole your chin to romance Faith? Carver: (Scoffs) That's unlikely. She wasn't even working. Isabela: Mm-hmm. Got you. (The next line changes depending on your third party member) Aveline: Carver! Varric: Oh ho! Nicely done. Merrill: I don't get it. (If one of the previous lines didn't trigger, and Hawke has not slept with anyone in the Blooming Rose) Hawke: Carver, what would Mother say? Carver: You're just... that's not what I... shit!
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 7, 2018 19:48:40 GMT
Personally, I never have my Hawkes hire the Blooming Rose's services. That's just so... pathetic and desperate. Hehe, prude. My Hawkes have no such compunctions. A hardworking young man or woman with little time to spare, plenty of stress to work out and no shortage of coin coming in shouldn't have any scruples about buying a lovely evening with a skilled and charming professional. It's what they're for, after all! There are plenty of issues with organized prostitution in the real world, and how it reflects on the character of those who make use of it is the least of them. But I like my medieval roleplaying to cleave a little closer to how people have behaved and thought historically, so modern sensibilities don't mean much. Looking at it through the lens of a quasi-medieval working man/woman who knows all about doing dirty, unpleasant work for survival, who specifically has filled entire graveyards with their own hands, and who feels fairly confident that they wouldn't be a bad lay personally, I have a hard time imagining my characters getting worked up about paid sex in particular. Very few RPGs lend themselves to characters with truly domestic backgrounds and values like that.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 8, 2018 10:40:49 GMT
It's really interesting how different VAs change the tone of a scene.
In the scene where you've found the path out of the DR and Varric says, "[If we're lucky] we stumble over Bartrand's corpse on the way" has Hawke chuckle afterward. The one by fem Hawke is amused, but also incredulous. Male Hawke is also amused, but almost sounds like he's agreeing with Varric; I like this version much more.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 8, 2018 11:09:04 GMT
It's really interesting how different VAs change the tone of a scene. In the scene where you've found the path out of the DR and Varric says, "[If we're lucky] we stumble over Bartrand's corpse on the way" has Hawke chuckle afterward. The one by fem Hawke is amused, but also incredulous. Male Hawke is also amused, but almost sounds like he's agreeing with Varric; I like this version much more. yeah I have the same feeling on that as well
imo I always feel that the male VA delivers the sarcastic lines better then the female one, in reverse I also feel that the female VA delivers the diplomatic ones better for the aggressive lines it's a mix, mostly because I don't use many aggressive lines
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 8, 2018 14:27:55 GMT
It's really interesting how different VAs change the tone of a scene. In the scene where you've found the path out of the DR and Varric says, "[If we're lucky] we stumble over Bartrand's corpse on the way" has Hawke chuckle afterward. The one by fem Hawke is amused, but also incredulous. Male Hawke is also amused, but almost sounds like he's agreeing with Varric; I like this version much more. yeah I have the same feeling on that as well
imo I always feel that the male VA delivers the sarcastic lines better then the female one, in reverse I also feel that the female VA delivers the diplomatic ones better for the aggressive lines it's a mix, mostly because I don't use many aggressive lines Mhm. Imo, the female voices tend to be better overall. The men tend to sound a bit blustery with the harsher dialogues, a bit too forced and silly when they make jokes, and a tiny bit preachy when trying to be gentle. I found this to be the case in ME as well, but much less so than in DA2. The women usually sound gently questioning when picking the softer responses, and their sarcasm sounds more flat and scornful, the kind better paired with a raised brow than a twinkling smile. That appeals to me. The real difference is in the aggressive lines though. I like to play gritty "The buck stops with me."-type characters to foil the silliness of some of the companions. It makes sense to me that someone used to leading a disparate bunch of misfits as an organized fighting squad would have a bit of backbone, to help keep them focused and in line. And it fits with both NonMage!Hawke's stint as a Ferelden soldier before the game, and their role as the older sibling and de facto man/woman of the family. So I guess I play around with the ruthless dialogue options a bit more than you. The male voice actor usually sounds all "Do as I say! Or I'll make you regret it..." The women tend to sound more along the lines of "Go on, refuse to get out of my way. You'll die, of course, but it's your choice." I sure as shit know which tone I'd find more intimidating.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 8, 2018 16:28:28 GMT
yeah I have the same feeling on that as well
imo I always feel that the male VA delivers the sarcastic lines better then the female one, in reverse I also feel that the female VA delivers the diplomatic ones better for the aggressive lines it's a mix, mostly because I don't use many aggressive lines Mhm. Imo, the female voices tend to be better overall. The men tend to sound a bit blustery with the harsher dialogues, a bit too forced and silly when they make jokes, and a tiny bit preachy when trying to be gentle. I found this to be the case in ME as well, but much less so than in DA2. The women usually sound gently questioning when picking the softer responses, and their sarcasm sounds more flat and scornful, the kind better paired with a raised brow than a twinkling smile. That appeals to me. The real difference is in the aggressive lines though. I like to play gritty "The buck stops with me."-type characters to foil the silliness of some of the companions. It makes sense to me that someone used to leading a disparate bunch of misfits as an organized fighting squad would have a bit of backbone, to help keep them focused and in line. And it fits with both NonMage!Hawke's stint as a Ferelden soldier before the game, and their role as the older sibling and de facto man/woman of the family. So I guess I play around with the ruthless dialogue options a bit more than you. The male voice actor usually sounds all "Do as I say! Or I'll make you regret it..." The women tend to sound more along the lines of "Go on, refuse to get out of my way. You'll die, of course, but it's your choice." I sure as shit know which tone I'd find more intimidating. To me, femHawke's jokes feel just flat. Dull. Unenthusiastic. Like the difference between the delivery in her "I got stung by a bee" scene and MHawke's. The latter's VA really goes all out. I also disagree with the notion that Hawke is "leading" anything. They're just a group of friends who get involved in weird shit often.
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 8, 2018 18:17:27 GMT
Mhm. Imo, the female voices tend to be better overall. The men tend to sound a bit blustery with the harsher dialogues, a bit too forced and silly when they make jokes, and a tiny bit preachy when trying to be gentle. I found this to be the case in ME as well, but much less so than in DA2. The women usually sound gently questioning when picking the softer responses, and their sarcasm sounds more flat and scornful, the kind better paired with a raised brow than a twinkling smile. That appeals to me. The real difference is in the aggressive lines though. I like to play gritty "The buck stops with me."-type characters to foil the silliness of some of the companions. It makes sense to me that someone used to leading a disparate bunch of misfits as an organized fighting squad would have a bit of backbone, to help keep them focused and in line. And it fits with both NonMage!Hawke's stint as a Ferelden soldier before the game, and their role as the older sibling and de facto man/woman of the family. So I guess I play around with the ruthless dialogue options a bit more than you. The male voice actor usually sounds all "Do as I say! Or I'll make you regret it..." The women tend to sound more along the lines of "Go on, refuse to get out of my way. You'll die, of course, but it's your choice." I sure as shit know which tone I'd find more intimidating. To me, femHawke's jokes feel just flat. Dull. Unenthusiastic. Like the difference between the delivery in her "I got stung by a bee" scene and MHawke's. The latter's VA really goes all out. I also disagree with the notion that Hawke is "leading" anything. They're just a group of friends who get involved in weird shit often. Yup. You don't find unenthusiastic funny? In my experience, a flat off-hand delivery is MUCH more effective than someone making a big show of how funny they're trying to be. I could talk all day about how humor works, if you're up for that. And to be frank, most of either gender's jokes fall flat. But Fem!Hawke at least comes closer to someday potentially making you laugh, in my opinion. And every group of friends has a leader. The one who walks in front, the one the others are better friends with than they are with each other, the one who suggests where to go and what to do with few, if any, objections, the one without whom the group would rarely get together in the first place, the one who responds when someone addresses the group collectively, the one who has the final vote when a unanimous decision can't be reached, and to whom the others listen when they don't know what else to do. The one who holds the money. The one who steps up when one of the others is about to do something truly stupid. The one whom the author in the group would term the nominal main character in his fictionalization of their times together. The one whom, if they're in a fight, everybody is in the fight, no matter who started it or what the point of it was. In Hawke's company, that person is unequivocally Hawke more than any other. My point is that to organize a group like the DA2 companions in mortal combat without everyone getting in each other's way - as you'll see if you ever put Isabela and Fenris on the same team on Nightmare difficulty and just let their AIs run amok -, the leader coordinating them would have to be someone they all respected and would be willing to defer to under extreme stress, and occasionally against their own judgement. That makes a toughened fighter with nerves of steel marginally more realistic than a cautious idealist or a jokester who can't take anything seriously, or any combination of the two. Thus, it seems to me that Hawke should at least have something of an edge to him/her. Like a sergeant who knows when to get tough and keep everybody on point instead of getting sidetracked by pity or juvenile humor, even though they may well engage in either of those under less pressing or important circumstances. As I said, it's just how I personally roleplay based on my own experience of how people work. You're obviously welcome to headcanon whatever you want, and I guess it's theoretically possible that the group may somehow function without Hawke knowing how to run a tight ship. I just don't see it. And thus I tend to pick aggressive dialogue at least a third of the time, because that's mostly what those are about. Keeping everybody focused on the real priorities instead of coddling people or taking the piss for no reason when lives are at stake.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Aug 8, 2018 20:56:46 GMT
They're just a group of friends who get involved in weird shit often. Hey now, I thought all the "weird shit" happened in DAI.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 8, 2018 21:57:14 GMT
To me, femHawke's jokes feel just flat. Dull. Unenthusiastic. Like the difference between the delivery in her "I got stung by a bee" scene and MHawke's. The latter's VA really goes all out. I also disagree with the notion that Hawke is "leading" anything. They're just a group of friends who get involved in weird shit often. Yup. You don't find unenthusiastic funny? In my experience, a flat off-hand delivery is MUCH more effective than someone making a big show of how funny they're trying to be. I could talk all day about how humor works, if you're up for that. And to be frank, most of either gender's jokes fall flat. But Fem!Hawke at least comes closer to someday potentially making you laugh, in my opinion. And every group of friends has a leader. The one who walks in front, the one the others are better friends with than they are with each other, the one who suggests where to go and what to do with few, if any, objections, the one without whom the group would rarely get together in the first place, the one who responds when someone addresses the group collectively, the one who has the final vote when a unanimous decision can't be reached, and to whom the others listen when they don't know what else to do. The one who holds the money. The one who steps up when one of the others is about to do something truly stupid. The one whom the author in the group would term the nominal main character in his fictionalization of their times together. The one whom, if they're in a fight, everybody is in the fight, no matter who started it or what the point of it was. In Hawke's company, that person is unequivocally Hawke more than any other. My point is that to organize a group like the DA2 companions in mortal combat without everyone getting in each other's way - as you'll see if you ever put Isabela and Fenris on the same team on Nightmare difficulty and just let their AIs run amok -, the leader coordinating them would have to be someone they all respected and would be willing to defer to under extreme stress, and occasionally against their own judgement. That makes a toughened fighter with nerves of steel marginally more realistic than a cautious idealist or a jokester who can't take anything seriously, or any combination of the two. Thus, it seems to me that Hawke should at least have something of an edge to him/her. Like a sergeant who knows when to get tough and keep everybody on point instead of getting sidetracked by pity or juvenile humor, even though they may well engage in either of those under less pressing or important circumstances. As I said, it's just how I personally roleplay based on my own experience of how people work. You're obviously welcome to headcanon whatever you want, and I guess it's theoretically possible that the group may somehow function without Hawke knowing how to run a tight ship. I just don't see it. And thus I tend to pick aggressive dialogue at least a third of the time, because that's mostly what those are about. Keeping everybody focused on the real priorities instead of coddling people or taking the piss for no reason when lives are at stake. Hawke's not a leader like an army officer. S/He a charismatic person who has some fighting skills. I'm not even sure, s/he wants to be a leader, or just enjoys the situation (or hates that).
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 8, 2018 22:55:48 GMT
Yup. You don't find unenthusiastic funny? In my experience, a flat off-hand delivery is MUCH more effective than someone making a big show of how funny they're trying to be. I could talk all day about how humor works, if you're up for that. And to be frank, most of either gender's jokes fall flat. But Fem!Hawke at least comes closer to someday potentially making you laugh, in my opinion. And every group of friends has a leader. The one who walks in front, the one the others are better friends with than they are with each other, the one who suggests where to go and what to do with few, if any, objections, the one without whom the group would rarely get together in the first place, the one who responds when someone addresses the group collectively, the one who has the final vote when a unanimous decision can't be reached, and to whom the others listen when they don't know what else to do. The one who holds the money. The one who steps up when one of the others is about to do something truly stupid. The one whom the author in the group would term the nominal main character in his fictionalization of their times together. The one whom, if they're in a fight, everybody is in the fight, no matter who started it or what the point of it was. In Hawke's company, that person is unequivocally Hawke more than any other. My point is that to organize a group like the DA2 companions in mortal combat without everyone getting in each other's way - as you'll see if you ever put Isabela and Fenris on the same team on Nightmare difficulty and just let their AIs run amok -, the leader coordinating them would have to be someone they all respected and would be willing to defer to under extreme stress, and occasionally against their own judgement. That makes a toughened fighter with nerves of steel marginally more realistic than a cautious idealist or a jokester who can't take anything seriously, or any combination of the two. Thus, it seems to me that Hawke should at least have something of an edge to him/her. Like a sergeant who knows when to get tough and keep everybody on point instead of getting sidetracked by pity or juvenile humor, even though they may well engage in either of those under less pressing or important circumstances. As I said, it's just how I personally roleplay based on my own experience of how people work. You're obviously welcome to headcanon whatever you want, and I guess it's theoretically possible that the group may somehow function without Hawke knowing how to run a tight ship. I just don't see it. And thus I tend to pick aggressive dialogue at least a third of the time, because that's mostly what those are about. Keeping everybody focused on the real priorities instead of coddling people or taking the piss for no reason when lives are at stake. Hawke's not a leader like an army officer. S/He a charismatic person who has some fighting skills. I'm not even sure, s/he wants to be a leader, or just enjoys the situation (or hates that). I'd argue that Hawke does kind of function as the ranking officer in a small squad during the game's battles. You don't have to hold rank for others to respect you as the authority in a tense situation. All it takes is for you to prove that you know what to do when they don't. And there's both wealth and fame in being a leader. Taking responsibility has always been heavily rewarded by those too cowardly or lazy to do it themselves. I haven't the faintest idea why you're having trouble admitting that Hawke is the effective leader of the gang. I don't know how many fights you've been involved in, but "fighting skills" don't mean as much as movies and television make out, at least not in smallish skirmishes like those in most RPGs. What matters instead is how aggressively you press your opponents' weaknesses, how collected and determined you are compared to them and how quickly you can organize to take advantage of their disorganization, disorienting and beating the fight out of them before they can compose themselves and do the same to you. The ones who win a skirmish are usually the party that gets the drop on the other. Failing that, it's the one that organizes itself quickest. Failing that, it's the one with the largest numbers. Failing that, it's the one most prepared and eager to draw blood. And only failing that is it the one with the most skilled fighters. There's no way in hell the DA2 party would realistically survive the game without someone quick-witted and ruthless firmly at the helm, regardless of how skilled each individual party member is supposed to be.
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