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Post by Iddy on Jul 20, 2017 18:54:04 GMT
I think he equates popularity\honor based on the numbers of Dragons killed Then you should simply ask me, because you're terrible at guessing.
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Post by Kei on Jul 20, 2017 19:04:41 GMT
I think he equates popularity\honor based on the numbers of Dragons killed Then you should simply ask me, because you're terrible at guessing. I can't be terribile at guessing more than you are into making your points. This response I've provided it is also based on previous posts you made on old BioWare forum about the same thing but just with different words.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 21, 2017 11:34:44 GMT
Well educated people are as likely to read about individuals of little consequence as history books are to mention the 50th soldier in the third row starting from the right. And I believe there is a difference between "there are Orlesians who don't believe in the 5th Blight" and "the vast majority of Orlesians don't believe in the 5th Blight". Generally speaking, it is difficult to determine what the populace as a whole does or doesn't know. Then you should simply ask me, because you're terrible at guessing. I can't be terribile at guessing more than you are into making your points. This response I've provided it is also based on previous posts you made on old BioWare forum about the same thing but just with different words. True, I could improve by considering the needs of slower members. Perhaps I should use three syllable words more often... *writes down*
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Post by oyabun on Jul 25, 2017 0:32:46 GMT
It's not difficult to determine wheter or not the HoF is popular outside of Ferelden,and my answer given the evidences from DA2 and DAI tend towards the,not so much.
In these two games majority of the people which are natives from those countries do not mention the warden,just as those two (Loghain and Alistair)revealed how after 10 years nobody cares anymore of the events of the blight,especially the nations of Thedas who haven't even experienced it.The only boost for popularity that is truly supported by the game,is the the marriage/romance with the Divine,but unless they do that nobody will mention them by the time of Trespasser.You can test your theory in Trespasser,there will be no relevant mention for the warden in the epilogue as well as the Dlc unless it is because of the Divine. Killing or let others finish Urthemiel it makes no difference for warden popularity(once again DA2 and DAI support this),only that romance does make a difference because the Divine is an important figure.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 27, 2017 17:21:37 GMT
It's not difficult to determine wheter or not the HoF is popular outside of Ferelden,and my answer given the evidences from DA2 and DAI tend towards the,not so much. In these two games majority of the people which are natives from those countries do not mention the warden,just as those two (Loghain and Alistair)revealed how after 10 years nobody cares anymore of the events of the blight,especially the nations of Thedas who haven't even experienced it.The only boost for popularity that is truly supported by the game,is the the marriage/romance with the Divine,but unless they do that nobody will mention them by the time of Trespasser.You can test your theory in Trespasser,there will be no relevant mention for the warden in the epilogue as well as the Dlc unless it is because of the Divine. Killing or let others finish Urthemiel it makes no difference for warden popularity(once again DA2 and DAI support this),only that romance does make a difference because the Divine is an important figure. You're trying to determine popularity based on something that is unverifiable: Whether the common people do or do not talk about the HoF. Our interaction with npcs is limited to content that is strictly related to the current story and protagonist goals. ...Urthemiel what? The only reason I decided to talk about popularity is that you brought it up. For the 1000th time, that is not what the thread is originally about.
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Post by eireicon on Aug 17, 2017 13:45:00 GMT
To answer the OP’s original question I think this decision can be made with numerous reasons behind it.
On the playthrough where I did this my characters reasoning’s were:
- Loghain was a traitor who betrayed his King and committed countless other crimes once he seized power. Even now, with power taken away from him, he is still a threat politically. His standing as a war hero will not be easily forgotten and to simply sentence him to death will cause problems, with Anora and numerous other people as well as Ferelden in general. Even on this thread there’s a wide range of views on what he did, it’s not black and white and it will never been seen that way by the people of Ferelden. In the view of my Warden his existence is problematic, but sentencing him to death is also problematic.
- By obtaining Loghain’s agreement to join the wardens my HoF solved a number of issues
1. Loghain may well be killed by the joining but if he is there is no blood on my wardens hands. He volunteered and took the same risks all Grey Wardens do. Should this happen, then he is dead and dealt with, without any of the fallout of sentencing him to death. My warden would be fine with that, even relieved.
2. There are only 3 grey wardens in Ferelden, that’s only 3 shots at killing the AD and ending the blight. Anyone of the three could fall in battle at any time. One thing that is not in question when it comes to Loghain is that he is a skilled warrior, experienced in battle and he loves Ferelden. At the end of the day, four is better than three
3. Allowing Loghain to take the final blow on the AD ensures his death (When the ritual is not performed)…..this in turn takes care of the problems mentioned in point one. From my wardens point of view this would not mean history would forget the actions of Loghain, but it would be kinder to him. He didn’t see this as a chance of redemption more a chance to once again show his love for Ferelden, if he succeeded my warden felt a less harsh view of him in the history books was acceptable.
4. With Loghain becoming a Warden and taking the final blow it ensures his death…….and his death will result in a more politically stable Ferelden rebuilding after the blight. The future for Ferelden is easier without Loghain. They may even be able to obtain help from Orlais and boost relations further, something Loghain would always oppose.
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Post by Hagoromo on Sept 1, 2017 23:55:49 GMT
In reality the warden is not a popular character because is a variable protagonist which does not even have a true fixed name,in the fiction of the game it also doesn't seem that popular since in the 3 games after Origin is not mentioned that much. As for Loghain,the precedent post summarized why is a very intelligent move to use him vs the archdemon,his death from the sacrifice solvs two problems: 1)It kills him without having to execute him with the warden thus appearing kinda like new tyrants to a many people who don't trust the watdens in Ferelden. 2)It kills that old god permanently. i see no downsides with this ending. Killing loghain by using wardens may nave been a problem for the stability of the country(possible new civil war),and letting him live for too long could also have been a problem after what he did,so that archdemon is the perfect solution to get rid of him and him is the perfect solution to get rid of the AD.
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Post by phoray on Sept 2, 2017 2:08:15 GMT
Why not do the same for Loghain? Because the Warden is too afraid of dying? Too weak willed to face a grey warden's burden? I just wish I could make this choice and feel good about it afterwards. Loghain and/or Alistair are also Wardens. Why can't I let them face it, especially when one demands to do so?
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Sept 8, 2017 10:11:35 GMT
Alister it's even the senior warden right after Riordan,and rules says that seniority determine the order of the US,Loghain instead was one of the main sources of the problems,so it seem only just that he does something to resolve it.
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Post by Mark7 on Sept 8, 2017 10:19:38 GMT
I think it's cowardly to not let them due to these mental issues.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 11, 2017 14:07:32 GMT
I think it's cowardly to not let them due to these mental issues. What issues?
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Post by Mark7 on Sept 13, 2017 15:14:52 GMT
I think it's cowardly to not let them due to these mental issues. What issues? The mental issues in the OP post.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 13, 2017 15:28:27 GMT
The mental issues in the OP post. Well, that doesn't sound good. What is the diagnosis, Dr. Mark?
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Post by skrillex on Nov 14, 2017 0:39:19 GMT
I've played DAO one year ago,so i'm not sure if i remember everything correctly. The boss of the end game can be destroyed also by Alistair or Loghain(only the final blow).
The french warden (sorry i don't remember the name) said the senior goes first,so I would say it would be cowardly for Alistair to hope that the protagonist will take his place,as for Loghain,well after all the damages he did it's a gift to restore his reputation,so i would say in that case it isn't cowardly either,it's instead a favor.
I think neither of these two endings are cowardly,because in both cases the warden completly fulfill the job,the only one i can see an argument may be rationalized is the DR ending because that doesn't really destroy the dragon but it just relocate his energy from the dragon to a child and later on to Flemeth.
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