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Post by oyabun on Mar 14, 2017 18:06:57 GMT
2.) From what your given for information it will be basically healthy, which it is, strong and healthy far as kids go. Some uncomfortable dreams but aside from that; pretty well off. I find this claim to be mostly hilarious. From the dialogues in DAI Morrigan say that she has no idea as to what will be the effects of the removal and she doesn't know what Flemeth intends to do with the power of an AD soul,so what it is that makes you say it is "strong" or healthy" given that we didn't see the consequences of this second alteration?I have reason to believe it is messed up by this second alteration.
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Post by dayze on Mar 15, 2017 3:27:11 GMT
2.) From what your given for information it will be basically healthy, which it is, strong and healthy far as kids go. Some uncomfortable dreams but aside from that; pretty well off. I find this claim to be mostly hilarious. From the dialogues in DAI Morrigan say that she has no idea as to what will be the effects of the removal and she doesn't know what Flemeth intends to do with the power of an AD soul,so what it is that makes you say it is "strong" or healthy" given that we didn't see the consequences of this second alteration?I have reason to believe it is messed up by this second alteration. The Warden doesn't know the future and we have no idea what them removing it will do or "not" do. All we have is what we see and so far the child is healthy. All we really know is he won't have the bad dreams. So possibly psychologically healthier at least. You yourself point out that they don't know what will happen so how can you know it is messed up or will end up being more messed up? Will it be damaged from it? Probably; I would be surprised if the child didn't have some psychological issues from no longer being connected to another being since pre-birth. Considering how joinings with spirits go for Adults; I have to imagine someone whose always been connected would find life going solo a strange and scary and almost totally alien experience.
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Post by Mark7 on Mar 17, 2017 6:33:16 GMT
tl;dr 1)Murdered Alistair. 2)Rejected the ritual. 3)Sacrificed Loghain. 4)Murdered the soul of the old god. 5)Married the Queen. 6)Murder-knifed the evil witch with great joy. 7) Hoping for DR-runners to die horribly consumed by the taint in DA4
The End.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 11:47:02 GMT
I almost always go for the Loghain redeems himself by killing the archdemon ending.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 21, 2017 5:47:24 GMT
Loghain is Morrigan's babydaddy and lives to see another death day and my Warden is a Paragon. :dirty: Gud ending is gud.
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Post by Marduk on Mar 21, 2017 12:31:39 GMT
I almost always go for the Loghain redeems himself by killing the archdemon ending. Well (Inquisition Spoiler) He can still redeem himself in Inquisition as long as he was spared.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 15:43:13 GMT
I almost always go for the Loghain redeems himself by killing the archdemon ending. Well (Inquisition Spoiler) He can still redeem himself in Inquisition as long as he was spared.
Yeah, I know, I did a run with a Loghain that still lived once. Still prefer him dying against the archdemon and thus saving Ferelden from a blight. It's only a shame that I miss out on the cameo but I suppose you can't get everything
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Post by Marduk on Mar 21, 2017 16:17:08 GMT
Well (Inquisition Spoiler) He can still redeem himself in Inquisition as long as he was spared.
Yeah, I know, I did a run with a Loghain that still lived once. Still prefer him dying against the archdemon and thus saving Ferelden from a blight. It's only a shame that I miss out on the cameo but I suppose you can't get everything Cool to me Loghain willingly sacrificing himself shouting "for the warden" afrer ten years of service even though they don't trust him felt more touching since our introduction to him also started with wardens. plus my own Warden wanted Morrigan and Archdemon all for himself xD
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Mar 21, 2017 22:12:26 GMT
tl;dr 1)Murdered Alistair. 2)Rejected the ritual. 3)Sacrificed Loghain. 4)Murdered the soul of the old god. 5)Married the Queen. 6)Murder-knifed the evil witch with great joy. 7) Hoping for DR-runners to die horribly consumed by the taint in DA4 The End. Wow,You've basically murdered most of the key characters from DAO.
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Post by Mark7 on Mar 21, 2017 22:42:41 GMT
Wow,You've basically murdered most of the key characters from DAO. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it,they were three traitors so their disgrace is my happiness.
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Post by tidus on Mar 23, 2017 18:17:15 GMT
My city Elf HoF lives since he/she sees dying for nothing means nothing since the Shems will still oppress and mistreat the Elves.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 23, 2017 19:25:35 GMT
My city Elf HoF lives since he/she sees dying for nothing means nothing since the Shems will still oppress and mistreat the Elves. Think of it this way. The HoF is sacrificing him/herself so that the elves will live another day to fight oppression.
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Post by tidus on Mar 23, 2017 20:55:38 GMT
My city Elf HoF lives since he/she sees dying for nothing means nothing since the Shems will still oppress and mistreat the Elves. Think of it this way. The HoF is sacrificing him/herself so that the elves will live another day to fight oppression. I don't think Tidus or Camin(KAY min) would ever agree to that.. So, they shall live.
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Post by Prince on Mar 25, 2017 1:07:31 GMT
My city Elf HoF lives since he/she sees dying for nothing means nothing since the Shems will still oppress and mistreat the Elves. Think of it this way. The HoF is sacrificing him/herself so that the elves will live another day to fight oppression. I don't see any choerence in the last argument I've read. The post-veil elven oppression begun when the Neromerians (which were basically the proto-Tevinter) received knowledge from these old gods which they later used to enslave what it remained of the elves after their own wars. So I don't think an elf should be that happy into saving the beings that contributed to their downfall. Doing the DR to fight elven opression is just a nonsense argument and indeed when I played with an elven Warden I had even more reasons for wanting to murder that thing and later on Morrigan in WH,afterall these were the gods of mankind who enslaved us.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Mar 25, 2017 2:04:04 GMT
I agree on that. These beings encouraged slavery for thousands of years,they even teached to Corypheus and to the others acolytes a spell that murdered hundred of elves so that they could reach the Golden city which resulted only into the blights;For people to be that angry over Loghain for the slavery issues they sure changed attitude over Urthemiel as soon as they heared what was the price to pay to really kill him. Imagine if Loghain was not a warrior but a spellcaster and like Urthemiel in order to kill him you had to sacrifice someone....the majority of the players that killed him will most certainly retreat exactly like they did with Urthemiel. So I'm utterly convinced that the only reason to do the DR is for those who don't have the courage to murder Urthemiel,unfortunately for Flemeth\Morrigan I don't lack that courage so at best I can give them the skull of the Old god if they want it as a souvenir.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 27, 2017 12:11:27 GMT
Think of it this way. The HoF is sacrificing him/herself so that the elves will live another day to fight oppression. I don't see any choerence in the last argument I've read. The post-veil elven oppression begun when the Neromerians (which were basically the proto-Tevinter) received knowledge from these old gods which they later used to enslave what it remained of the elves after their own wars. So I don't think an elf should be that happy into saving the beings that contributed to their downfall. Doing the DR to fight elven opression is just a nonsense argument and indeed when I played with an elven Warden I had even more reasons for wanting to murder that thing and later on Morrigan in WH,afterall these were the gods of mankind who enslaved us. You're quoting the wrong person, pal.
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Post by Kei on Mar 27, 2017 18:37:30 GMT
I'm astonished on about how many DR-runners didn't cared for the security of the world (which are just the DATA i've observed from this poll) At this rate I hope that whatever writer will be involved in this subplot will take into account the possibility of using Solas and Mythal to use this soul for their own power base and plans (veil removal).I didn't liked the way in which Gaider handeled all of that in DAI by literally attempting at removing the soul from existence(that's what he did he removed it form the kid then he gave it to Flemeth and then he killed Flemeth in the same cinematic ending of the same timeline where the soul did not existed because was destroyed in DAO). If this franchise (between retcons,resurrections and missing people) want to be still credible rather than making things disappear into nothingness for convinience they should include those in the game and punish players where it is needed in order to put a balance between the outcomes. So I expect for Urthemiel to be in Solas hands and if it is not in Solas hands then they damn well explain where it is rather than making an old god disappear like when it was destroyed for a matter of plot convenience.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 27, 2017 18:52:06 GMT
I'm astonished on about how many DR-runners didn't cared for the security of the world (which are just the DATA i've observed from this poll) At this rate I hope that whatever writer will be involved in this subplot will take into account the possibility of using Solas and Mythal to use this soul for their own power base and plans (veil removal).I didn't liked the way in which Gaider handeled all of that in DAI by literally attempting at removing the soul from existence(that's what he did he removed it form the kid then he gave it to Flemeth and then he killed Flemeth in the same cinematic ending of the same timeline where the soul did not existed because was destroyed in DAO). If this franchise (between retcons,resurrections and missing people) want to be still credible rather than making things disappear into nothingness for convinience they should include those in the game and punish players where it is needed in order to put a balance between the outcomes. So I expect for Urthemiel to be in Solas hands and if it is not in Solas hands then they damn well explain where it is rather than making an old god disappear like when it was destroyed for a matter of plot convenience. That is my hope as well, yes. And that is, why I created worlds with this decision: because this is a very interesting experiment. Whether good or bad, I want to see it made sense.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Mar 28, 2017 23:31:56 GMT
So I expect for Urthemiel to be in Solas hands and if it is not in Solas hands then they damn well explain where it is rather than making an old god disappear like when it was destroyed for a matter of plot convenience. I don't care to see what they will do (if they will do something)with what appear to be a dead questline from a game of almost ten years ago and I don't think Weekes will ever work on it.All I care about is to not be restricted in my freedom of choices just for the bias of a writer and sadly with this whole DR-affair I as a Non-DR runner was fooled 3 times by Mr Gaider(which is obviously biased towards Morrigan he even admitted that) 1)He gave to DR-runners the freedom of using the DR but he did not gave to the Non-DR runners the freedom of murdering Morrigan right there in Redclieffe to ensure her failure rather than wait in doubt until the AD's death for those who saw her as a threat(afterall the girl wanted to save the spirit of an Archdemon with illegal blood magic for God sake why I'm forced to let her go like that?!). 2)He then wrote WH where he allowed to all DR-runners and/or to Morrigan's romancers to meet pacefully Morrigan and even to follow her but mocked once again the Non-DR runners by painting them as villains and by making them looks like complete idiots when they failed at killing Morrigan for the second time(despite them being by that point of the game beyond lev40 and possibly even master assassins).He denied to them via plot armor the possibility of hitting her directly in a vital point of her body rather than the abdomen,it's ridiculous since in the CE Origin an unexperienced HoF is able to murder with a knife armored soldiers in conversation with one single hit on the neck but a more powerful HoF in WH is not able to do that;worse they can't use the mirror unlike the Morrigan's romancers despite it being not broken and still functional... 3)Despite DAO featured 3 endings that did not involved Morrigan nor the ritual ,Mr Gaider included her in every possibile outcomes of DAI and forced her upon all the Inquisitors ,even in the scenario where in the Altar of Mythal you did not needed her because you was the host of the well and thus there was no need of her but SHE WAS INCLUDED THE SAME.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 28, 2017 23:45:21 GMT
So I expect for Urthemiel to be in Solas hands and if it is not in Solas hands then they damn well explain where it is rather than making an old god disappear like when it was destroyed for a matter of plot convenience. I don't care to see what they will do (if they will do something)with what appear to be a dead questline from a game of almost ten years ago and I don't think Weekes will ever work on it.All I care about is to not be restricted in my freedom of choices just for the bias of a writer and sadly with this whole DR-affair I as a Non-DR runner was fooled 3 times by Mr Gaider(which is obviously biased towards Morrigan he even admitted that)
1)He gave to DR-runners the freedom of using the DR but he did not gave to the Non-DR runners the freedom of murdering Morrigan right there in Redclieffe to ensure her failure rather than wait in doubt until the AD's death for those who saw her as a threat(afterall the girl wanted to save the spirit of an Archdemon with illegal blood magic for God sake why I'm forced to let her go like that?!).
2)He then wrote WH where he allowed to all DR-runners and/or to Morrigan's romancers to meet pacefully Morrigan and even to follow her but mocked once again the Non-DR runners by painting them as villains and by making them looks like complete idiots when they failed at killing Morrigan for the second time(despite them being by that point of the game beyond lev40 and possibly even master assassins).He denied to them via plot armor the possibility of hitting her directly in a vital point of her body rather than the abdomen,it's ridiculous since in the CE Origin an unexperienced HoF is able to murder with a knife armored soldiers in conversation with one single hit on the neck but a more powerful HoF in WH is not able to do that;worse they can't use the mirror unlike the Morrigan's romancers despite it being not broken and still functional...
3)Despite DAO featured 3 endings that did not involved Morrigan nor the ritual ,Mr Gaider included her in every possibile outcomes of DAI and forced her upon all the Inquisitors ,even in the scenario where in the Altar of Mythal you did not needed her because you was the host of the well and thus there was no need of her but SHE WAS INCLUDED THE SAME. "Illegal blood magic" ugh! Sounds fun! (Chantry uses blood magic too... you know.)
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Post by Mark7 on Mar 29, 2017 0:01:19 GMT
doflamingodonquijote These games have always had a subtle hierachy(not even that subtle to be fair) The soldiers killed in the CE origin via murder knife can be killed simply because they aren't as important as Morrigan.Of course I hate this idea that some people are protected by the writers with ridiculous plot armors,in DAO it's especially bad as every major character is killable(except for Eamon,Tegan and Anora because their death would have stopped the progression of the game) but not Morrigan, that doesn't stop me to hate her,her nature,her ideologies and all the DR runners as well,that's why I've said i hope they die horribly in DA4 bonus if Solas use the soul for his plans.
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Post by oyabun on Mar 29, 2017 23:30:08 GMT
Morrigan apparently offers the chance to guarantee life if the other Wardens are dead and this particular Warden survives long enough to kill a dragon single-handedly. It's stupid because of how implausible the one specific outcome where it applies is versus the potential risk.What I am saying is simple: Alistair and Loghain have no more of a risk to die than the Warden. If the risk for them dying is enormous, it is the same for the Warden. So the dark ritual in that case is nothing but for the special scenario where the Warden lives and Alistair or Loghain dies, which is incredibly unlikely beacuse all signs point to both dying. And if the odds of the Warden living are high, then the chance of the other warden doing the same is higher. -The sacrifice of the elves in the alienage does not prolong the Wardens life and neither does the potion of Avernus. Avernus delayed the calling with different means that involved using blood magic which he never told to the GW in the game. Well the Warden wasn't particularly concerned about Alistair or Loghain surviving more than himself. He wanted to have an increased odds of coming out alive and having progeny. This is the only real option for that. Though thinking about it; what with Flemeth and Morrigan's knowledge of the future, them tapping you would seem to imply you have the highest odds of facing off against the dragon. We have no idea really what the sacrifice at the alienage can or can not do; all we know is that a blood magic ritual done which involved killing multiple elves to make you stronger in some way. Presumably; if your stronger you can live longer by being healthier. Great odds of surviving heart attacks, disease etc.....stay active, that kind of stuff. As for Avernus there is no point where it is referenced that it was blood magic that made him live longer. We know the potion was a result of his study and knowledge to increase warden's power and put off the taint and becoming a ghoul. Living longer and "not" becoming a ghoul was the whole point of what he was doing there. Seems likely that it was the potion that made him that way. And if it was this unnamed or specified blood magic; well there's the blood magic ritual that got done using multiple sacrifices. So that angle covers it as well. Your whole post doesn't make sense. The elves sacrificed in the alienage by Caladrius(which was wounded and thus his magic was weakened as a result of him being wounded) had the effect of add a +1 in constitution,they did not removed the calling nor his spell increased the lifespawn of the protagonist. Avernus has never revealed how he managed to delay the calling,his potion had nothing to do with it. In order to do that he used spells based on blood magic against living subjects but nobody knows what he truly did.Also in DAI it is revealed that there are rare individuals that have a natural resistance to both the calling and the taint(Leliana is one of them) Avernus can simply be one of these rare individuals and thus his body was able to delay the calling due to his own experiments+his natural resistance which the warden may not possess at all.
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Post by secretrare on Mar 29, 2017 23:43:55 GMT
My city Elf HoF lives since he/she sees dying for nothing means nothing Nonsense. The sacrifice is one of the most useful deaths as it has the effects of destroying the AD'soul(unlike dying by becoming ghouls or by any other cause that doesn't affect anything at all)rather than giving it to Solas that wish to murder every single living being of the world(aside from the beings of his kind),or worse for the soul to return to be again an Archdemon thus making any victory against it completely worthless as you have to fight the same thing all over again.The only thing that DR runners can do is hoping that the writers will not create one of these outcomes( which imho are totally plausible)so they have to take it forever on faith until the end of the franchise that the old god would not be found again by some random Darkspawn.
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Post by tidus on Mar 30, 2017 1:06:26 GMT
My city Elf HoF lives since he/she sees dying for nothing means nothing Nonsense. The sacrifice is one of the most useful deaths as it has the effects of destroying the AD'soul(unlike dying by becoming ghouls or by any other cause that doesn't affect anything at all)rather than giving it to Solas that wish to murder every single living being of the world(aside from the beings of his kind),or worse for the soul to return to be again an Archdemon thus making any victory against it completely worthless as you have to fight the same thing all over again.The only thing that DR runners can do is hoping that the writers will not create one of these outcomes( which imho are totally plausible)so they have to take it forever on faith until the end of the franchise that the old god would not be found again by some random Darkspawn. I been to war and there's no glory in dying for nothing.. If you notice nothing changed for the Elves ten years after the death of HoF (if the player kills him/her) they are still under the thumb of human racist that still hates them and abuses them. Recall what the city Elf in the Chargers said? That's why my Elven HoF will never be sacrifice.
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Post by secretrare on Mar 30, 2017 2:39:23 GMT
I been to war and there's no glory in dying for nothing.. If you notice nothing changed for the Elves ten years after the death of HoF (if the player kills him/her) they are still under the thumb of human racist that still hates them and abuses them. Recall what the city Elf in the Chargers said? [/p] That's why my Elven HoF will never be sacrifice.
We know what old baldy was really up to in DA:I after playing trespasser. I was not surprise.
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[/quote] There's no need for you to spam your personal story with war (again) over me since you did that already plenty of times in the past,you live what you've learned and what you've learned is a lie for me and you will carry that lie with you until your last day on this world. My grandfather also went on war in France(2 world war) and he doesn't have your mindset. Your own definition of "nothing" has no meaning as I've already told you that the sacrifice it does ereadicate the AD soul once and for all thus preventing it to cause world threats issues in the future and so it is an useful death,one for the world. Death itself is inevitable for every being and if it is eternal(I don't know and nobody can) it doesn't really matter when you die as any number of limited years lived on this world are always erased by eternity. . The elves and their condition have nothing to do with you doing the DR,Old gods are the major reason that Brought the elves into a state of misery so don't say you saved this old god for the elves you did that only for your own selfishness. As for Solas you can'touch him(especially if you powered him up with the DR) he isn't a powerless boob that can be defeated by just because you want it to,he can turn your warden in stone or kill them in their dreams long before they even have the chance to realize that they are already dead.
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