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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 14:19:15 GMT
And you'll get no glory for the ultimate sacrifice. Sadly. I want to see, that the self-sacrifice Wardens get glory, but it will not happen. Deal. With. It. That's just your view pal. The US warden defeat the blight,it's kill the AD completly,it doesn't allow Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas to gain it's energy,it gains their statues also on Weissaupt(not just in Ferelden)and it has the most intelligent reason to not be in DAI(rahter than being disappeared for "convenience" like a ghost),Overall that seem to me the plot that was most followed by Bioware,all the other were just manipulated so that they could adapt to it The Warden got statue, this is logical. How many times have yet to tell: people don't know about the Dark Ritual. Even Loghain/Alistair doesn't know, how our Warden was able to alive, if the Warden performed the Dark Ritual himself. The people only saw, that the Blight ended, and the Archdemon died. They don't know anything about the price.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 10, 2017 15:57:08 GMT
It didn't really change things in the long run.. Morrigan has a son,Flemeth got her old God which she passed to Solas before she died and we know we will fight him in the next DA game. So basically it changed nothing,but then in your spoiler tag you provided the explanation that proved the contrary by yourself....ok
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Post by oyabun on Apr 10, 2017 15:59:25 GMT
That's just your view pal. The US warden defeat the blight,it's kill the AD completly,it doesn't allow Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas to gain it's energy,it gains their statues also on Weissaupt(not just in Ferelden)and it has the most intelligent reason to not be in DAI(rahter than being disappeared for "convenience" like a ghost),Overall that seem to me the plot that was most followed by Bioware,all the other were just manipulated so that they could adapt to it The Warden got statue, this is logical. How many times have yet to tell: people don't know about the Dark Ritual. Even Loghain/Alistair doesn't know, how our Warden was able to alive, if the Warden performed the Dark Ritual himself. The people only saw, that the Blight ended, and the Archdemon died. They don't know anything about the price.The warden don't get any statue in Weissaupt nor in the Anderfels with the DR ending(the GW aren't the common folk they know about the US and they even know about Morrigan),that's what Mark implied.Those are just epilogues slides from DAO and some dialogues in the post coronation and in DAA.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 16:05:41 GMT
The Warden got statue, this is logical. How many times have yet to tell: people don't know about the Dark Ritual. Even Loghain/Alistair doesn't know, how our Warden was able to alive, if the Warden performed the Dark Ritual himself. The people only saw, that the Blight ended, and the Archdemon died. They don't know anything about the price.The warden don't get any statue in Weissaupt nor in the Anderfels with the DR ending(the GW aren't the common folk they know about the US and they even know about Morrigan),that's what Mark implied.Those are just epilogues slides from DAO and some dialogues in the post coronation and in DAA. Then s/he doesn't got, this is not the most important issue, but the fact, that treated equally the DR Warden and the US Warden. Because both ended the Blight, and no one know the price.
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Post by tidus on Apr 10, 2017 16:08:19 GMT
It didn't really change things in the long run.. Morrigan has a son,Flemeth got her old God which she passed to Solas before she died and we know we will fight him in the next DA game. So basically it changed nothing,but then in your spoiler tag you provided the explanation that proved the contrary by yourself....ok It still doesn't change a thing because its a game.. You can kill you HoF and nothing changes-old Baldy still wants to destroy the world without needing the old God child.
So, those of you that think you are saving the world by killing your HoF don't save a thing but,that is apparently over your heads.
In short dying for nothing mean shit since it didn't change the future.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 10, 2017 16:11:01 GMT
The warden don't get any statue in Weissaupt nor in the Anderfels with the DR ending(the GW aren't the common folk they know about the US and they even know about Morrigan),that's what Mark implied.Those are just epilogues slides from DAO and some dialogues in the post coronation and in DAA. Then s/he doesn't got, this is not the most important issue, but the fact, that treated equally the DR Warden and the US Warden. Because both ended the Blight, and no one know the price.Aside from the GW,Flemeth possibly Solas,Alistair/Loghain and some of the members of the Inquisition like Leliana and the Inquisitor you mean? Well that's quite a lot of people for something that's supposed to be secret.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 10, 2017 16:21:53 GMT
So basically it changed nothing,but then in your spoiler tag you provided the explanation that proved the contrary by yourself....ok It still doesn't change a thing because its a game.. You can kill you HoF and nothing changes-old Baldy still wants to destroy the world without needing the old God child.
So, those of you that think you are saving the world by killing your HoF don't save a thing but,that is apparently over your heads.
In short dying for nothing mean shit since it didn't change the future.
I can't even understand why you are unable to see how self contradictory your own posts are. First you're implying that it changes nothing because is just a game(the very first sentence of your post), then you are going to say that those who died(in a game)died for nothing,outright contradicting your previous statement of (it is a game). It's exactly the same kind of nonsense contradiction I had detected in your previous post where you said it changes nothing only to say in the spoiler tag that it gives more power to the Evanuris.I think you should find peace with your own thoughts before to expose them.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 16:26:30 GMT
It still doesn't change a thing because its a game.. You can kill you HoF and nothing changes-old Baldy still wants to destroy the world without needing the old God child. So, those of you that think you are saving the world by killing your HoF don't save a thing but,that is apparently over your heads.
In short dying for nothing mean shit since it didn't change the future.
I can't even understand why you are unable to see how self contradictory your own posts are. First you're implying that it changes nothing because is just a game(the very first sentence of your post), then you are going to say that those who died(in a game)died for nothing,outright contradicting your previous statement of (it is a game). It's exactly the same kind of nonsense contradiction I had detected in your previous post where you said it changes nothing only to say in the spoiler tag that it gives more power to the Evanuris.I think you should find peace with your own thoughts before to expose them. I like Evanuris, and Fen'Harel too. Very interesting points of the game. And I liked the corrupted Chantry and the prison-Circles. Was very good to hate the system and to see how crashed the system. And I like to see, that we can rebuild the Chantry from the ashes. I would like to see, what will happen with the Old God's soul, or what cause the Old God soul.
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Post by akiza on Apr 10, 2017 16:46:27 GMT
I can't even understand why you are unable to see how self contradictory your own posts are. First you're implying that it changes nothing because is just a game(the very first sentence of your post), then you are going to say that those who died(in a game)died for nothing,outright contradicting your previous statement of (it is a game). It's exactly the same kind of nonsense contradiction I had detected in your previous post where you said it changes nothing only to say in the spoiler tag that it gives more power to the Evanuris.I think you should find peace with your own thoughts before to expose them. I like Evanuris, and Fen'Harel too. Very interesting points of the game. And I liked the corrupted Chantry and the prison-Circles. Was very good to hate the system and to see how crashed the system. And I like to see, that we can rebuild the Chantry from the ashes. I would like to see, what will happen with the Old God's soul, or what cause the Old God soul. Well I don't think that the in-game population would like to see their lives gambled out of some "transcendental curiosity" from the player. I don't think that's very compelling motive to save an Old god especially now that we know that the Evanuris weren't exactly that good,they may have been worse than Fen'Harel and that's include Mythal since she also apparently liked going on rampages towards the dwarves and their titans,so I'm happy I didn't helped her.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 17:00:07 GMT
I like Evanuris, and Fen'Harel too. Very interesting points of the game. And I liked the corrupted Chantry and the prison-Circles. Was very good to hate the system and to see how crashed the system. And I like to see, that we can rebuild the Chantry from the ashes. I would like to see, what will happen with the Old God's soul, or what cause the Old God soul. Well I don't think that the in-game population would like to see their lives gambled out of some "transcendental curiosity" from the player. I don't think that's very compelling motive to save an Old god especially now that we know that the Evanuris weren't exactly that good,they may have been worse than Solas and that's include Mythal since she also apprently liked going on rampages towards the dwarves and their titans. As an elf Mage and Morrigan's lover this was an absolutely interesting experiment. Morrigan was convincing. The rest, only wants to live, or to rule, or was too naive. They were all just accidental heroes. And still: what Morrigan said, was very interesting, and suspicious, but not necessarily evil.
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Post by akiza on Apr 10, 2017 17:33:09 GMT
Well I don't think that the in-game population would like to see their lives gambled out of some "transcendental curiosity" from the player. I don't think that's very compelling motive to save an Old god especially now that we know that the Evanuris weren't exactly that good,they may have been worse than Solas and that's include Mythal since she also apprently liked going on rampages towards the dwarves and their titans. As an elf Mage and Morrigan's lover this was an absolutely interesting experiment. Morrigan was convincing. The rest, only wants to live, or to rule, or was too naive. They were all just accidental heroes. And still: what Morrigan said, was very interesting, and suspicious, but not necessarily evil. I still think that save a former archdemon out of curiosity for experimentation isn't a compelling reason given the dangers such experiment entails both for the world and I dare to say even for the baby.I think we are just going to disagree on the issue like for forever so I will just stop here.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 10, 2017 17:38:52 GMT
As an elf Mage and Morrigan's lover this was an absolutely interesting experiment. Morrigan was convincing. The rest, only wants to live, or to rule, or was too naive. They were all just accidental heroes. And still: what Morrigan said, was very interesting, and suspicious, but not necessarily evil. I still think that save a former archdemon out of curiosity for experimentation isn't a compelling reason given the dangers such experiment entails both for the world and I dare to say even for the baby.I think we are just going to disagree on the issue like for forever so I will just stop here. Especially if it is your own child.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 17:47:37 GMT
As an elf Mage and Morrigan's lover this was an absolutely interesting experiment. Morrigan was convincing. The rest, only wants to live, or to rule, or was too naive. They were all just accidental heroes. And still: what Morrigan said, was very interesting, and suspicious, but not necessarily evil. I still think that save a former archdemon out of curiosity for experimentation isn't a compelling reason given the dangers such experiment entails both for the world and I dare to say even for the baby.I think we are just going to disagree on the issue like for forever so I will just stop here. No. Inversely. The Archdemons are former old gods. And the Darkspawns are former men. I do not defend the Dark Ritual, this is a gamble, and still a morally questionable, risky decision, or yes, you can say: a bad decision. But it is a possibility, and I like.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 10, 2017 18:04:27 GMT
I still think that save a former archdemon out of curiosity for experimentation isn't a compelling reason given the dangers such experiment entails both for the world and I dare to say even for the baby.I think we are just going to disagree on the issue like for forever so I will just stop here. Especially if it is your own child. And how smart, nice boy!
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Post by Prince on Apr 10, 2017 23:32:57 GMT
How the hell,how the hell you know that a reborn old god can't emit the calling?! Because that's what they do when they aren't ArchdemonsWhen they are on the deep roads that's a severe issue as eventually Darkspawns find them because of their calling,But if they are on the surface then it means there is the risk of them luring darkspawns on the surface ad taht's even worse.
As you said Darkspawns follow the song that comes from the soul of the AD and if that isn't destroyed then it means there is the risk of them being unable to retreat even after the AD dies because they are still able to sense that soul that was preserved via DR. Of course I don't expect any DR-runner to resolve this or any other DR related issue,they live on planet metaknowledge and they are bound to accept whatever outcome the writers will decide for them. There should've been an option to have an Old God abortion. It's a douche move and would most likely have involved killing Morrigan(which would have made me quite happy), it seems pretty logical to me: - Blight ends - No doubts about having an Old God around -All the advantages from the sacrifice route without having to use a GW Since the game does not provide this option(for no reason) nor it provide the option to kill her in redclieffe,I'm stuck with having to use a GW to murder the old god and just be forced to let her go.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 10, 2017 23:37:45 GMT
^Such a wicked mind
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Post by Lazarillo on Apr 10, 2017 23:50:15 GMT
There should've been an option to have an Old God abortion. It's a douche move and would most likely have involved killing Morrigan(which would have made me quite happy), it seems pretty logical to me: Grotesque as this sounds, I'm not sure if it's just Poe's Law in effect and you're being silly, but no, that's not very logical. Given what you know about the Archdemon's essence, it's entirely possible that Morrigan miscarrying the Dark Ritual baby for any reason might just cause another Blight as it sought out the nearest Darkspawn to live on inside. Honestly yet another reason not to take the gamble in the first place, I'd say.
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Post by Prince on Apr 11, 2017 0:46:23 GMT
There should've been an option to have an Old God abortion. It's a douche move and would most likely have involved killing Morrigan(which would have made me quite happy), it seems pretty logical to me: Grotesque as this sounds, I'm not sure if it's just Poe's Law in effect and you're being silly, but no, that's not very logical. Given what you know about the Archdemon's essence, it's entirely possible that Morrigan miscarrying the Dark Ritual baby for any reason might just cause another Blight as it sought out the nearest Darkspawn to live on inside. Honestly yet another reason not to take the gamble in the first place, I'd say. What's so terribile? If what she said is true,then the AD essence is being purified from the taint which means that if she is killed with the baby the old god soul won't be able to body jump. If what she said is false then the DR should have resulted into an AD regardless of if she is killed or not because her baby is a tainted vessel(actually I don't know why it's being purified from the taint into a tainted child,but that's what the writers wanted to happen).
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Post by oyabun on Apr 11, 2017 0:56:44 GMT
@prince it may be that the soul is being purified in the long run,it doesn't happen as soon as it body jump in the kid.
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Post by Prince on Apr 11, 2017 1:01:51 GMT
@prince it may be that the soul is being purified in the long run,it doesn't happen as soon as it body jump in the kid. Then explain to me how she is able to force the soul into not regaining his Archdemon form between all the time that it takes to restore his original essence.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 11, 2017 1:07:09 GMT
Well I don't know....I don't think the mechanics of this spell makes much sense.I once said the ritual should have resulted into another AD not into an OGB.
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Post by Mark7 on Apr 11, 2017 2:18:17 GMT
That's just your view pal. The US warden defeat the blight,it's kill the AD completly,it doesn't allow Morrigan/Flemeth/Solas to gain it's energy,it gains their statues also on Weissaupt(not just in Ferelden)and it has the most intelligent reason to not be in DAI(rahter than being disappeared for "convenience" like a ghost),Overall that seem to me the plot that was most followed by Bioware,all the other were just manipulated so that they could adapt to it The Warden got statue, this is logical. How many times have yet to tell: people don't know about the Dark Ritual. Even Loghain/Alistair doesn't know, how our Warden was able to alive, if the Warden performed the Dark Ritual himself. The people only saw, that the Blight ended, and the Archdemon died. They don't know anything about the price.You got some reading comprehension issue eh?
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Post by Iddy on Apr 11, 2017 11:58:04 GMT
Especially if it is your own child. And how smart, nice boy! No thanks to you for that. You see, when the Inquisitor comments on how remarkable Kieran is, Morrigan's answer may change. If it is OG Kieran, the credit goes to the Old God. If Kieran is normal, she says the father's great parenting is what makes him special. Much more satisfying. Now, the thing about reckless actions is that surviving doesn't make them less foolish. You took a selfie at the edge of a cliff and didn't die? Congratulations. Still an unbelievably dumb idea. You left your baby alone in the car and nothing happened? Whew... that's a relief. But you still are a bad parent.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 11, 2017 14:26:54 GMT
No thanks to you for that. You see, when the Inquisitor comments on how remarkable Kieran is, Morrigan's answer may change. If it is OG Kieran, the credit goes to the Old God. If Kieran is normal, she says the father's great parenting is what makes him special. Much more satisfying. Now, the thing about reckless actions is that surviving doesn't make them less foolish. You took a selfie at the edge of a cliff and didn't die? Congratulations. Still an unbelievably dumb idea. You left your baby alone in the car and nothing happened? Whew... that's a relief. But you still are a bad parent. A well-mannered, respectful old god boy makes his parents proud!
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Post by Iddy on Apr 11, 2017 15:01:19 GMT
No thanks to you for that. You see, when the Inquisitor comments on how remarkable Kieran is, Morrigan's answer may change. If it is OG Kieran, the credit goes to the Old God. If Kieran is normal, she says the father's great parenting is what makes him special. Much more satisfying. Now, the thing about reckless actions is that surviving doesn't make them less foolish. You took a selfie at the edge of a cliff and didn't die? Congratulations. Still an unbelievably dumb idea. You left your baby alone in the car and nothing happened? Whew... that's a relief. But you still are a bad parent. A well-mannered, respectful old god makes his parents proud! Proud like this:
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