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Post by Wynne on Feb 22, 2017 7:39:01 GMT
Possible advantages of a Half-Dwarf option: - They should be the same height as elves, according to descriptions (smaller than a human, taller than a dwarf) so that should make the animations/cinematics easier than implementing a giant class, for instance.
- It would be something new that Bioware hasn't done before.
- You'd be raaaare and people might marvel at your unicornyness.
- If you had a dwarfnificent beard or awesome tattooes, more people would be able to view them from a closer distance to their probable height.
- Other dwarves would look up to you. (Literally, if nothing else!)
- The story could be pretty interesting, even if it was mostly based on the dwarf background with a few hints of "it must have been challenging to get your kin to accept you."
- YOU COULD AT LAST DWARFMAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 LIVE THE DREAM, MY FRIENDS.
Well, maybe, at any rate. I would hope so. Imagine Dagna's shiny eyes of joy and awe. I think it might be awesome if they could swing it, even if only for one specific game. Dwarves would likely still be in the game anyway, so warrior and rogue could still be implemented as the main dwarves. And if that seems like a lot to ask, we did get qunari, dwarves, and elves in this game. Who knows what we'll get in the future? I'm not expecting this, just to be clear, and it's not like my #1 priority by any means--but it would be a joyful day for me if it did happen.
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Post by adrianbc on Feb 22, 2017 8:42:03 GMT
The idea about a half-dwarf protagonist is intriguing, and can offer a different perspective about the DA universe if made well. I am thinking not just about magic and dwarven traditions, but also about Titans. On the other hand, I simply cannot vote, because your poll options are a bit arbitrary, and not directly related to your poll question. "Would you play a half-dwarf ?" is question which is answered with "Yes", "No" and eventually "Maybe". If you are interested about the reasons someone would have for playing a half-dwarf protagonist, the best way is to make an open thread about this and see what answers you`ll get. Then you can use those viewpoints and yours to make a better grounded poll about why introducing the half-dwarf option is a good idea. And maybe Bioware will take notice. I`m positive that they are scanning this forum in order to learn about how their fans think about BW games.
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 22, 2017 15:45:22 GMT
What would call a half-dwarf? I like the sound of "horf." There's no "o" in half-dwarf, but adding one preserves the "o" sound in dwarf.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 16:14:56 GMT
Hell yeah! I want to be a half dwarf mage (if that's even possible). Having that connection to the dwarves but also (potentially) having that connection to the fade is something that could be interesting especially since we don't know much about half dwarves.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 22, 2017 16:25:55 GMT
What means the "half"? Only human? Why?
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 22, 2017 16:36:39 GMT
Possibly... depending on how it was handled.
That said, I'd be happy to see a regular dwarf empowered by a Titan to fill that "Dwarven Mage" role.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 21:44:28 GMT
You do realize that you miss the option of: No, but I do not mind playing a full dwarf. Why on earth mess with Mary-Sueish halves? One of two things BioWARE did exceptionally well in the setting was Dwarven race, in backgrounds, looks and a number of likable characters (there are more likable and interesting dwarves in the first two games than there are Elves, and likely Humans too). If I have liked DA franchise enough for another play-through, I'd replay the DA:O as a dwarf. There are people who can only play as mages, but if playing a rogue is as good as it is in DA2, and warrior play gets improved from there, why not?
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 22, 2017 21:56:24 GMT
Sure, sounds interesting.
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Post by jnericsonx on Feb 22, 2017 22:13:38 GMT
I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 22, 2017 22:36:42 GMT
I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games. They said, that no: there are no half-elf for example. I think more simple if they don't exist. Every "elf-blooded" child have human apperance (Feynriel's apperance was a mistake, as they said –if I remember correctly–, but he also looked as more human than elf.) Probably silly thing, but...
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2017 22:55:19 GMT
I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games. Half-dwarves do canonically exist but not half-elves as Catilina said. For some reason, elves who have kids with humans always default to human despite the title of elf-blooded. It's speculated to be magically caused because even if elven genes were recessive, there would have been an off chance where a human would have a child with elven features somewhere down the line if it was purely genetic. Half-dwarves will basically grow up to a height in between the parents, but they're so rare that the first thing usually suspected during pregnancy is Infidelity. Dwarves are notoriously infertile due to exposure to the darkspawn over the centuries.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 22, 2017 22:55:33 GMT
I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games. I've noted human elf pairings. It seems the male partner's racial / physical traits decide the child's Maric + Fiona = Alistair (human) Vincento + Arianni = Feynriel (human) elven male + human female = Hyndel (elf) I could be wrong but these three are the only examples I found. There could be more that I missed.
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Post by Catilina on Feb 22, 2017 23:07:35 GMT
I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games. I've noted human elf pairings. It seems the male partner's racial / physical traits decide the child's Maric + Fiona = Alistair (human) Vincento + Arianni = Feynriel (human) elven male + human female = Hyndel (elf) I could be wrong but these three are the only examples I found. There could be more that I missed. Interesting idea, but not true. Elf/Dwarf Warden + Morrigan = Human (even without ritual) And this. I dont like this explain, but exist.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2017 23:08:57 GMT
I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games. I've noted human elf pairings. It seems the male partner's racial / physical traits decide the child's Maric + Fiona = Alistair (human) Vincento + Arianni = Feynriel (human) elven male + human female = Hyndel (elf) I could be wrong but these three are the only examples I found. There could be more that I missed. I suspect that with the human features taking over, they'll naturally take on the human parent's looks. I don't think Hyndel's mother is human because no elven features are meant to manifest with an elf/human pairing.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 22, 2017 23:13:48 GMT
I've noted human elf pairings. It seems the male partner's racial / physical traits decide the child's Maric + Fiona = Alistair (human) Vincento + Arianni = Feynriel (human) elven male + human female = Hyndel (elf) I could be wrong but these three are the only examples I found. There could be more that I missed. I suspect that with the human features taking over, they'll naturally take on the human parent's looks. I don't think Hyndel's mother is human because no elven features are meant to manifest with an elf/human pairing. I checked the woman when she was lying down on the bed. No pointed ears. I checked when she's cured and sitting in a chair. No pointed ears. Maybe the devs' forgot she's supposed to be a knife ear. *shrug* See how easy it is to blame the devs?
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Post by opuspace on Feb 22, 2017 23:21:57 GMT
I suspect that with the human features taking over, they'll naturally take on the human parent's looks. I don't think Hyndel's mother is human because no elven features are meant to manifest with an elf/human pairing. I checked the woman when she was lying down on the bed. No pointed ears. I checked when she's cured and sitting in a chair. No pointed ears. Maybe the devs' forgot she's supposed to be a knife ear. *shrug* See how easy it is to blame the devs? Admittedly, the devs have been known to make mistakes like with what happened with Feynriel. But the offical canon is meant to have no half-elves. You've got some sharp eyes, I will say.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Feb 23, 2017 0:17:42 GMT
I'd be concerned about the potential mental trauma - half of your character can dream and the other half can't. That does not sound like a recipe for a well balanced person. Also - on the topic of half dwarves Wasn't that either implied or outright stated in Origins or 2...? I'm sure I'm not imagining it...
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Post by Catilina on Feb 23, 2017 0:26:55 GMT
I'd be concerned about the potential mental trauma - half of your character can dream and the other half can't. That does not sound like a recipe for a well balanced person. Also - on the topic of half dwarves Wasn't that either implied or outright stated in Origins or 2...? I'm sure I'm not imagining it... I admit, I thought about Sandal. This would be an explanation to this "Not enchantment" scene on the Deep Roads (DA2). I don't think that "half of your character can dream and the other half can't", but interesting question. Recessive or dominant... or more complicated inherited trait... DA have silly genetics.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Feb 23, 2017 2:23:24 GMT
I mean, half a dwarf is better than no dwarf.
But I could go full dwarf and be EVEN GRUMPIER. Man, choices! Honestly, it'd be interesting. And if we get a set protagonist again, I'd go for this idea. Sounds like it could be cool. Though stupid Jaws of Hakkon has me thirsting for playing an Avaar again....
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Post by Walter Black on Feb 23, 2017 4:01:23 GMT
Nope. Over the years, I've grown to hate the notion in fantasy role playing that the only way to subvert stereotypes of any given fantasy race is to make them some kind of hybrid. "Your Elf character hates forests and likes technology? It can't possibly be that his personality and interests go against his racial archetype, he has to be half-Elven ". Yes, you could argue that non humans need some kind of heightened traits, or there would be no reason to not simply play humans. I would counter that to be fully realized and three dimensional, these player races need the complete spectrum of good and evil, wise and foolish, weird and ordinary. To me, saying a non human needs to be a hybrid in order to challenge that race's archetype puts unnecessary blocks on both the writers and players' ability to develop the existing fantasy race. Also, it doesn't help that the vast majority of PC hybrids I've encountered inevitably turn out to be Mary Sues
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Post by House Targaryen on Feb 23, 2017 5:06:47 GMT
Hell no. I'll stick with my pretty elves.
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Post by jadedragon on Feb 23, 2017 6:13:56 GMT
Wouldnt work. Human gene is to dominate in Dragon Age. Thats why even though Morrigan son can be half human or half dwarf he is still human just elf/dwarf blooded. So basically if a human mage and dwarf had a baby when that baby grew up and became a mage it would still be more technically correct to call them a human mage and wouldnt count as a dwarf mage. Qunari and Human Idk about but considered Qunari are already something different from Kossith I wouldnt imagine what a human-qunari would produce
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Post by adrianbc on Feb 23, 2017 7:05:41 GMT
Bioware used the idea of a child from a relationship between humans with elves and humans with dwarfs aleady with Morrigan in DA:O. Morrigan would propose the Dark Ritual to any male protagonist, and have a child as a result (no Kossith though). So this probably means that at least humans, elves and dwarfs are not completely separated species, and have a common ancestor. It`s possibly the same in case of Kossith. This is how genes work. It doesn`t matter if the child looks more like human, it needs to have half the genes from the other parent (an elf or a dwarf). So technically half-elf and half-dwarf is correct. Why? Since Bioware`s writers never mentioned any special measures concerning such a child (and we already have Alistair in DA:O) it`s safe to assume that the genetic mechanism is working as an explanation. Bioware is always keen to point out anything different from our world in the DA universe. So, it`s about genes and genome. As for magical abilities in case of a half-dwarf, I don`t see why not. Bioware tried to explain somehow why dwarfs are different from the other races with the introduction of Titans in Descent, but it`s a bit clumsy. All we know is that the Titan activated Valta`s ability to use magic quite instantly. This most likely means she used the Titan for magical energy, not the Fade. Which means than all dwarfs outside a Titan don`t have this connection, so they don`t use magic. All sound well and good. Problem is, why surface dwarves are not able connect to the Fade instead of a Titan? Even those born on the surface, from surface-born parents. And because of Morrigan, we know that at least humans, elves, dwarfs are all connected species at least (this is why BW call them races and not species). It would be fine if dwarves would have been left without magic in DA; but since Descent Bioware closed that door, and we could think about these races as having a similar genome, the genie is out of the bottle. It`s reasonable to think that Bioware messed up the dwarven origin question with Descent. They cannot be "aliens" created by Titans, since aliens cannot have any offspring with other "aliens". If humans, elves, dwarfs have a common ancestor, why dwarves cannot use magic? The Titans are not a magical solution for these questions (even if they are Fade creatures). It`s just poor/insufficient thinking from Bioware.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 23, 2017 7:56:58 GMT
I play humans, but yeah, sure for those that want it. Depending on... Possibly... depending on how it was handled. The problem would be in the character models. At this point, they are continuing to do fixed character body models which require fine tuning for all cinematics, particularly romance cinematics. This is tricky enough with two different sizes of male and female of a single race, but then you add in more races and complicate it even more. DAI allowed us to play four races, which was eight different bodies, with varying degrees of height difference and body size/thickness for males and females. Adding a completely new size into the mix (a thicker dwarfish body with the shorter elf height) would be more complication. If they're going to continue to use these fixed body models AND want to allow players the option of multiple races, I think that four is enough. I got a better question-can you even HAVE hybrids in the DA universe? I mean, I think someone said in one of the novels it's hinted at that Fiona is actually Alistair's mom, but if that's the case, he doesn't look a damn bit elfy of ANY of the designs in all three games. I don't think I've ever heard of a single half-elf, half-dwarf, half-Qunari, etc in all 3 games. To clarify the Fiona bit, if you're familiar with DAO and its characters while reading it, the novel The Calling heavily implies that Alistair is Fiona's child, but there are no direct references to him. It only makes sense in context if you take everything together. However, it was essentially confirmed in DAI itself, but you can only see this dialogue if you have (1) sided with the mages, and (2) imported a save with Alistair as king (I'm not sure if it plays for Warden Alistair). If you sided with templars, or didn't have Alistair as king, you might not have seen this bit. After you return to the present time with Dorian and Alexius is hauled away, King Alistair appears and kicks the mages out of Ferelden during a dialogue with Fiona, after which the Herald (pre-Inquisitior) pipes up and either allies with or conscripts the mages. After you get to Skyhold, you can have a talk with Fiona about various things. She talks about her time as a Warden and later asks you about your conversation with Alistair. She says she knew his father from her time as Warden and wonders whether he seems happy, and says that his father had such high hopes for him. Her tone during all of this is wistful. To players familiar with the whole thing, it is pretty clear that she is speaking of her own high hopes (she did not want him to be a royal) and wishes for his happiness. I've noted human elf pairings. It seems the male partner's racial / physical traits decide the child's Maric + Fiona = Alistair (human) Vincento + Arianni = Feynriel (human) elven male + human female = Hyndel (elf) I could be wrong but these three are the only examples I found. There could be more that I missed. Don't forget about Michel de Chevin! I'd be concerned about the potential mental trauma - half of your character can dream and the other half can't. That does not sound like a recipe for a well balanced person. Also - on the topic of half dwarves Wasn't that either implied or outright stated in Origins or 2...? I'm sure I'm not imagining it... I'm not sure if you're being facetious, or not. In the case of a half-dwarf, I think they would either have the ability to dream, or they would not. I don't think there would be a half and half situation. A mixed person isn't two-in-one, they are their own, new thing. Even in terms of mixes we already know, an elf/human mix is not half-elf and half-human, but are an elf-blooded human.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Feb 23, 2017 8:13:23 GMT
Probably, if it was offered? I've played all the races they've previously offered.
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