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Post by heather_mason_sh3 on Mar 26, 2017 15:28:35 GMT
I finally got up to the sex scene with Gil and it was actually pretty good and really sweet. Shortly after I got the baby conversation and naturally I agreed to becoming a father! His whole romance has been so satisfying and enjoyable. He melts my heart. I am nearly finished with the game and I can't wait to see the rest of the romance! Gil is definitely my favorite character and I am so happy with him. I couldn't have asked for anything better. He's perfect! Now I'm really hoping for a sequel that continues the Ryder family story to see these relationships grow across multiple games. (Haven't spoiled the ending though so I don't even know if a sequel would be possible!) It would be interesting to see how they'd handle this storyline. That said, I really love that we have codex entries detailing our relationships with the crew. Seeing how much Gil's has changed- from friends to lovers- was nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 15:38:22 GMT
His ambient content and general dialogues are already more than everything Reyes has. Including a comment after each main story mission.Gil is contacted over the com on Elaaden. Twice so far. That... is hardly content to me. I think I've heard him talk... three times in Tempest? One time in Eos, and another on Kadara. His comments after each story mission is basically the same '' oh shit we in the shit now, can I go back to milky way el oh el '' with some variation or at least that's what it feels like. He is a crewmate, yet he isn't that much better than an off-Tempest fling, that's the point I'm trying to make. But it is content though. I've heard him talk a lot more (I don't know if it randomises ambient dialogue?) he even commented on the pet pyjak. Better will always be subjective. I like Reyes too but he practically doesn't exist outside of Kadara whereas Gil is always around. So I couldn't dedicate a playthrough to him. I know I could have a tryst with him but it would feel hollow and as I said I play an emotional Scott.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 15:52:35 GMT
That... is hardly content to me. I think I've heard him talk... three times in Tempest? One time in Eos, and another on Kadara. His comments after each story mission is basically the same '' oh shit we in the shit now, can I go back to milky way el oh el '' with some variation or at least that's what it feels like. He is a crewmate, yet he isn't that much better than an off-Tempest fling, that's the point I'm trying to make. But it is content though. I've heard him talk a lot more (I don't know if it randomises ambient dialogue?) he even commented on the pet pyjak. Better will always be subjective. I like Reyes too but he practically doesn't exist outside of Kadara whereas Gil is always around. So I couldn't dedicate a playthrough to him. I know I could have a tryst with him but it would feel hollow and as I said I play an emotional Scott. It is content but it's content that does NOT address a lot of the problem with Gil, his story, his romance... so really, it's not much content at all. And it's sad, but Reyes' content will be much more enticing than Gil's in the end, because it's sensible and it works. They did Gil wrong, so wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 15:59:24 GMT
But it is content though. I've heard him talk a lot more (I don't know if it randomises ambient dialogue?) he even commented on the pet pyjak. Better will always be subjective. I like Reyes too but he practically doesn't exist outside of Kadara whereas Gil is always around. So I couldn't dedicate a playthrough to him. I know I could have a tryst with him but it would feel hollow and as I said I play an emotional Scott. It is content but it's content that does NOT address a lot of the problem with Gil, his story, his romance... so really, it's not much content at all. And it's sad, but Reyes' content will be much more enticing than Gil's in the end, because it's sensible and it works. They did Gil wrong, so wrong. Personal taste isn't something that can be argued, my point was merely quantity of the character's presence.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 16:02:28 GMT
It is content but it's content that does NOT address a lot of the problem with Gil, his story, his romance... so really, it's not much content at all. And it's sad, but Reyes' content will be much more enticing than Gil's in the end, because it's sensible and it works. They did Gil wrong, so wrong. Personal taste isn't something that can be argued, my point was merely quantity of the character's presence. Well Reyes has the quality down, while Gil MIGHT have the quantity despite that quantity not being that much above Reyes' despite being an '' important crewmate '', yo!
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 26, 2017 16:03:35 GMT
But it is content though. I've heard him talk a lot more (I don't know if it randomises ambient dialogue?) he even commented on the pet pyjak. Better will always be subjective. I like Reyes too but he practically doesn't exist outside of Kadara whereas Gil is always around. So I couldn't dedicate a playthrough to him. I know I could have a tryst with him but it would feel hollow and as I said I play an emotional Scott. It is content but it's content that does NOT address a lot of the problem with Gil, his story, his romance... so really, it's not much content at all. And it's sad, but Reyes' content will be much more enticing than Gil's in the end, because it's sensible and it works. They did Gil wrong, so wrong. I do have to agree with what "witchcocktor" said. Even if it is content, it doesn't play that much of a role in his storyarc and romance in general. Despite Reyes not being with us on the Tempest, we can interact with him a lot more on Kadara than Gil because at the end of the day, Gil doesn't have new dialogue lines after missions - only after certain priority ones (which doesnt help either). Lack of content is a problem that affected, sadly, the 2 crewmances (Gil and Suvi)
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Mar 26, 2017 16:24:21 GMT
I finally got up to the sex scene with Gil and it was actually pretty good and really sweet. Shortly after I got the baby conversation and naturally I agreed to becoming a father! His whole romance has been so satisfying and enjoyable. He melts my heart. I am nearly finished with the game and I can't wait to see the rest of the romance! Gil is definitely my favorite character and I am so happy with him. I couldn't have asked for anything better. He's perfect! Now I'm really hoping for a sequel that continues the Ryder family story to see these relationships grow across multiple games. (Haven't spoiled the ending though so I don't even know if a sequel would be possible!) It would be interesting to see how they'd handle this storyline. That said, I really love that we have codex entries detailing our relationships with the crew. Seeing how much Gil's has changed- from friends to lovers- was nice. Well, other than the fact that he deserved more content, of course, considering he's the only full M/M romance in the game. But I agree I really like him as a character. I just wish Gil was treated as fairly as the other romances. I went and picked up the guide while running errands, and seeing his romance breakdown at the back of the book compared to everyone else's (besides Suvi who is similarly limited in content) is kind of sad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 16:24:46 GMT
Personal taste isn't something that can be argued, my point was merely quantity of the character's presence. Well Reyes has the quality down, while Gil MIGHT have the quantity despite that quantity not being that much above Reyes' despite being an '' important crewmate '', yo! For me Gil's is a better quality, but he's someone to fall in love with. Reyes just doesn't have that for me. I like him but he's the type you flirt with not the kind you bring home. As I said personal taste.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 16:27:48 GMT
Well Reyes has the quality down, while Gil MIGHT have the quantity despite that quantity not being that much above Reyes' despite being an '' important crewmate '', yo! For me Gil's is a better quality, but he's someone to fall in love with. Reyes just doesn't have that for me. I like him but he's the type you flirt with not the kind you bring home. As I said personal taste. Idk, after '' romancing '' both, I think Reyes is the one I'd bring home to meet my parents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 16:49:10 GMT
For me Gil's is a better quality, but he's someone to fall in love with. Reyes just doesn't have that for me. I like him but he's the type you flirt with not the kind you bring home. As I said personal taste. Idk, after '' romancing '' both, I think Reyes is the one I'd bring home to meet my parents. You do you pal, I know you're just killing time waiting for Evfra anyway.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 16:51:27 GMT
Idk, after '' romancing '' both, I think Reyes is the one I'd bring home to meet my parents. You do you pal, I know you're just killing time waiting for Evfra anyway. Yes I am and I'm going to die waiting. Well, I would also be fine with a Reyes DLC but I'm crossing my fingers for gay angaran dudes!
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Post by disgustednoise on Mar 26, 2017 17:03:59 GMT
This is a stupid argument...
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 17:06:58 GMT
Would you rather we not talk about Gil at all?
Oh, he has a small dialogue thing after you board the Tempest after finishing the story mission. It's kinda cute. ALSO, when you go back to the Tempest, you have this small cutscene with your whole group, AND GIL IS YET AGAIN IN THE SHADOWS AND YOU CAN'T SEE HIS FACE!
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Mar 26, 2017 17:09:55 GMT
I don't think it's productive "arguing" over who's better between Gil and Reyes. It only leads to more salt over-all regarding the sad state of M/M in this game.
Both of those poor guys deserve more than what they got.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 17:10:08 GMT
This is a stupid argument... It wasnt an argument it was a discussion.
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Post by sandalisthemaker on Mar 26, 2017 17:11:25 GMT
Would you rather we not talk about Gil at all? Oh, he has a small dialogue thing after you board the Tempest after finishing the story mission. ALSO, when you go back to the Tempest, you have this small cutscene with your whole group, AND GIL IS YET AGAIN IN THE SHADOWS AND YOU CAN'T SEE HIS FACE! Well, that's obnoxious.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 26, 2017 17:12:49 GMT
I finally got up to the sex scene with Gil and it was actually pretty good and really sweet. Shortly after I got the baby conversation and naturally I agreed to becoming a father! His whole romance has been so satisfying and enjoyable. He melts my heart. I am nearly finished with the game and I can't wait to see the rest of the romance! Gil is definitely my favorite character and I am so happy with him. I couldn't have asked for anything better. He's perfect! Now I'm really hoping for a sequel that continues the Ryder family story to see these relationships grow across multiple games. (Haven't spoiled the ending though so I don't even know if a sequel would be possible!) It would be interesting to see how they'd handle this storyline. That said, I really love that we have codex entries detailing our relationships with the crew. Seeing how much Gil's has changed- from friends to lovers- was nice. Well, other than the fact that he deserved more content, of course, considering he's the only full M/M romance in the game. But I agree I really like him as a character. I just wish Gil was treated as fairly as the other romances. I went and picked up the guide while running errands, and seeing his romance breakdown at the back of the book compared to everyone else's (besides Suvi who is similarly limited in content) is kind of sad. My whole deal with m/m is that: -Gil needed significantly more content and relevance (Suvi too, it just isn't as stark) -There should have been a m/m option in the squad as well (bi or homo; betting on bi because of record of f/f heh......) -Any flings should have the same polish as a m/f -Fade to Black as the supposed default by now, isn't necessary, and at this point, feels insulting; there's plenty of good examples in media to learn from here that doesn't mean hardcore porn! In what I've played so far, Gil himself is fine. Like, as a character. But his story is weak: -another 'gay in the hold' (/..closet? lol..) like ME3, a place you can most easily avoid (this is somewhat subverted with him having a more active role in the day-to-day) -every m/m is having darker skin which while not bad in itself (hey I'd never think that given my relationship!), it builds up image of 'diversity checklist' instead of 'diversity love' -too much focus on gaybies and I have some issues with how it happens - instead of focusing on how Gil is important to the plot of this game like any squadmate technically is important almost by default of squadmate status - yes he's important to the ship and thus how the ship gets out of jams, okay, but that's utility, not importance in story Basically m/m got content I would have been shocked to see in ME1, loved to have seen in ME2, appreciated enough in ME3 as its at least more of a presence than that game, but it is CURRENT YEAR and this amount is frankly at least a little pathetic for a company that touted progressive bonafides for years. I'll romance Gil at least for this playthrough because I don't dislike him. The issue is feeling like I'm only worth the (relative) scraps. If that's what Bioware devs actually think, then okay, I wish they could be out with it so I could avoid the games. It'd be more polite to offer nothing then. If its more an issue of being strained in development and really really wanting to do more but things had to be cut and in terms of raw numbers it HAD to be this? That's bothersome but in this one title I'll kind of tolerate it due to kind of tolerating the whole lack of polish throughout MEA. But at least Bioware Montreal has started off weak (for MONTREAL no less) in this matter and has earned skepticism for DLC and future titles. What I am especially glad about: -I'm more into more easily masculine acting guys and Gil fits that great (a good-side interpretation is that he so far feels a mix of James and Steve and I would have picked James so...) -The sense of humor and positive presence; being like how I love how men can be, while not being just the silly gay mascot for the team -How his general look would be great if it wasn't so Character Created -The voice acting isn't standout yet and may be even overacted, but the general sound is good -That our 'ship engineer' (previously Adams, the Cerb couple, Adams and optionally Cerb couple; Tali technically optional) has more personality than everFrankly I see MEA to have an improvement over ME3 on this matter (we have to recall ME3 WITHOUT its Leviathan and Citadel DLCs) but its like they had the guts and desire to do only BARELY better. And arguably only just as good, or even worse (I semi-handwave Kaidan because even though he could easily be counted, aspects of him felt very 'inserted'). This is while everything else got expanded (except perhaps an exclusively f/f with Suvi, maybe, but there's lots of f/f options even though there's legit complaints about it)
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So far I haven't even been able to romance Gil. We've done some flirting but it's a REEEEALY slow progression.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 17:40:31 GMT
So far I haven't even been able to romance Gil. We've done some flirting but it's a REEEEALY slow progression. Ýou can begin the relationship after the fourth mission (Hunting the Archon).
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 26, 2017 17:43:04 GMT
So far I haven't even been able to romance Gil. We've done some flirting but it's a REEEEALY slow progression. Ýou can begin the relationship after the fourth mission (Hunting the Archon). Oh, I see. That seemed very "end game" to me so I've out it off. I've established three outposts so far and I'm currently on the asari ark. Once that mission is done I guess I'll go looking for the Archon. I think my Reyes romance is completed anyone - not sure there's anything more to do on his planet. (No need to spoil with details if you know anything.)
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 26, 2017 17:46:18 GMT
Ýou can begin the relationship after the fourth mission (Hunting the Archon). Oh, I see. That seemed very "end game" to me so I've out it off. I've established three outposts so far and I'm currently on the asari ark. Once that mission is done I guess I'll go looking for the Archon. I think my Reyes romance is completed anyone - not sure there's anything more to do on his planet. (No need to spoil with details if you know anything.) It's not the end game, don't worry. I was putting it off as well because it sounded endgamey, but it's not, not rly.
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Post by rafflesz on Mar 26, 2017 17:55:22 GMT
For me Gil's is a better quality, but he's someone to fall in love with. Reyes just doesn't have that for me. I like him but he's the type you flirt with not the kind you bring home. As I said personal taste. Idk, after '' romancing '' both, I think Reyes is the one I'd bring home to meet my parents. Gil is the winner by default honestly. All other points aside his romance is the only m/m romance that you dont get called a queen in after all.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 26, 2017 18:32:38 GMT
I think what's happened with Gil for me is what has always happened in ME games. You're romancing someone so you want to check in with them all the time. But the content is limited so it's very generic "Hey, Ryder, what's up?" kind of stuff. However, I'm eager to see more so I need to complete a certain mission to kick start the romance beyond mild flirts.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 26, 2017 19:23:18 GMT
AFAIK Hunting the Archon isn't endgamey, but its just one or two steps before that. More like late-mid-game. A time to consider strongly moving forward in side content and maybe maximizing viability etc, but not that END END point just yet. If you've completed Hunting the Archon, there's still more to go, but the endgame feel, if not there yet, will be there pretty soon.
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