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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 13:24:21 GMT
This is kind of unfair, Gen. All you have in here are people expressing their opinions which they are entitled to do, no matter what their opinion might be. Just because some of the opinions are ones you don't agree with and don't enjoy listening to or reading, it doesn't mean they have any less of a right to give them, just the same as you have every right to give yours. It also doesn't mean, just because they are opinions you don't like or share, that they are trolling. Going by such a train of thought would mean that people that don't agree with you should be questioning your sincerity in what you post, and think that you are ruining threads simply for expressing yourself in a manner they disagree with. Yeah, sometimes conversations get "heated" but this is what happens when you have individuals debating their opinions. Overall I guess my point is this; if it's okay for you to be able to give your opinion along with others that share a similar standpoint as you then the same consideration should be given to everyone. Yeah, and you guys can do that in the politics thread, we've gone so far off topic it's getting ridiculous. Lets hear your opinions on Doctor Who now, the whole reason this thread exists. "You guys"? This is the first post I've made in here so I've hardly contributed to the thread being off-topic as much as the posters that have been going back and forth with one another for pages and pages. As for Doctor Who, I really don't care about who plays the character because I'm in no way interested in the show. Plenty of people I know aren't very happy with the choice of actor though.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 22, 2017 15:31:01 GMT
This is kind of unfair, Gen. All you have in here are people expressing their opinions which they are entitled to do, no matter what their opinion might be. Just because some of the opinions are ones you don't agree with and don't enjoy listening to or reading, it doesn't mean they have any less of a right to give them, just the same as you have every right to give yours. It also doesn't mean, just because they are opinions you don't like or share, that they are trolling. Going by such a train of thought would mean that people that don't agree with you should be questioning your sincerity in what you post, and think that you are ruining threads simply for expressing yourself in a manner they disagree with. Yeah, sometimes conversations get "heated" but this is what happens when you have individuals debating their opinions. Overall I guess my point is this; if it's okay for you to be able to give your opinion along with others that share a similar standpoint as you then the same consideration should be given to everyone. Yes but...*looks at comment before yours*...people are trolling. They are posting questionably facetious comments intended to mock and to attract ire. And those comments do have a "political" bent to them. That said, there are also others who aren't necessarily trolling but who don't actually have any interest in the show itself and are just using news of this change to fuel discussion of broader issues in media and society. Her problem I think is this in general: with the nature of this kind of needlessly politicized discussion when it comes to fiction, not necessarily with any individual ideology that she disagrees with. Which I can respect, despite being guilty of this myself. Regardless, it seems like the political talk in here has winded down at this point (aside from I guess the aforementioned troll).
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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 22, 2017 15:37:14 GMT
Lets hear your opinions on Doctor Who now, the whole reason this thread exists. Okay. Don't care if the Doctor is a female or male. I'd like the new doctor to have the energy, joy and life, plus the range of acting and emotions skills that David Tennant brought to the series. Also those stories were far more entertaining and interesting than the stories with Peter. I'm optimistic that we'll get that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 16:19:31 GMT
I miss the time you could actually discuss things without the trollitics (trolls/politics, because theyre the same entity here) getting in the way and ruining things. This is just another thread for people to constantly spread their ideology. Its just an actor change, not a big deal. I wish we could actually discuss things our hopes and views on the new doctor without making this just another politics thread. Im genuinely confused whether people are being serious or trolling, ive lost track, either way is the same result to be honest I also wonder how many have an actual interest in the show, and how many view this as just another excuse to post :poop: And if people are being serious, I really wonder how many things they ruin for themselves... its kinda sad. Rather than enjoying a piece of art they apparently want to I dont know *points at stuff* It isnt just Doctor Who either, its Star Wars, comic books... its just like dude why are you sucking the enjoyment out of things??? And I also wonder why they have to ruin every thread they touch This thread has my vote to close unless its improved and is actually about the new doctor instead of another politics thread Since you're younger than me, you're going to have to tell me when this mythical time was, because it sure as hell wasn't on this planet.
Not so long ago, actually the old forum had a "no politics" thing, which might have been the best thing about BSN looking back
I miss the time you could actually discuss things without the trollitics (trolls/politics, because theyre the same entity here) getting in the way and ruining things. This is just another thread for people to constantly spread their ideology. Its just an actor change, not a big deal. I wish we could actually discuss things our hopes and views on the new doctor without making this just another politics thread. Im genuinely confused whether people are being serious or trolling, ive lost track, either way is the same result to be honest I also wonder how many have an actual interest in the show, and how many view this as just another excuse to post :poop: And if people are being serious, I really wonder how many things they ruin for themselves... its kinda sad. Rather than enjoying a piece of art they apparently want to I dont know *points at stuff* It isnt just Doctor Who either, its Star Wars, comic books... its just like dude why are you sucking the enjoyment out of things??? And I also wonder why they have to ruin every thread they touch This thread has my vote to close unless its improved and is actually about the new doctor instead of another politics thread This is kind of unfair, Gen. All you have in here are people expressing their opinions which they are entitled to do, no matter what their opinion might be. Just because some of the opinions are ones you don't agree with and don't enjoy listening to or reading, it doesn't mean they have any less of a right to give them, just the same as you have every right to give yours. It also doesn't mean, just because they are opinions you don't like or share, that they are trolling. Going by such a train of thought would mean that people that don't agree with you should be questioning your sincerity in what you post, and think that you are ruining threads simply for expressing yourself in a manner they disagree with. Yeah, sometimes conversations get "heated" but this is what happens when you have individuals debating their opinions. Overall I guess my point is this; if it's okay for you to be able to give your opinion along with others that share a similar standpoint as you then the same consideration should be given to everyone.
People are entitled to their opinions for sure, that isnt what Im saying
Although I never actually mentioned whether I agree or disagree with them, just saying. Never once. First I posted a bit about doctor who itself, like that I wanted River Song to come back, that I liked the look of the new doctor and idk general things about the show, then when comic book characters came up my points were that it can be good creatively to explore different variations of the character and have someone else take up the mantle of an existing superhero, something which happens often, and then I said that it was just an actor change and it wasnt a big deal because its happened before, basically saying its kinda part of the character, I never actually expressed my views about the idk political stuff that other people were, and nothing I said would change whether it was a male doctor regenerating into a female, a female into a female, a male into a female or a male into a male... I didnt take a side
Im not calling anyone a troll because of anything like that. I used the word 'troll' because people have intentionally derailed a perfectly good thread into a politics discussion, and everything that Dome said too. I mean, as with most threads people from the politics thread touch, its just become a way of them to express their views, which they can do already in an existing thread. Its happened before, and it will happen again. And this isnt limited to just them, if it was anyone else, even if I agreed or disagreed with them, I would still be saying exactly the same things. This isnt a politics discussion thread, or a politics discussion forum. It shouldnt be one either. This is about doctor who, but its just another thread theyve use to whine about various political groups all of the time. They arent sharing anything which they havent said thousands of times before, which is actually against the forum rules/suggestions. Its just more of the same stuff. My thoughts about their opinions really dont matter, because it isnt the opinions im criticizing Im criticizing them trolling and purposely derailing every thread they can as a way of spreading :poop: I want to be able to have a discussion about the thing in question, if this was a politics thread or somewhere to discuss politics it would be the politics thread, but it well... isnt
Id also talk about doctor who in this post but the wall of text has slowed my pc down to where a letter appears ever 2 seconds, so that will be my next post
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 16:31:18 GMT
I know the TARDIS doesnt change design toooooooooooo much inside, but what do you think it should be like??? I liked the design Matt Smith had so Im hoping for more funny little gadgets
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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 22, 2017 16:37:10 GMT
I know the TARDIS doesnt change design toooooooooooo much inside, but what do you think it should be like??? I liked the design Matt Smith had so Im hoping for more funny little gadgets Yeah Eccelston's/Tennant's and Smith's first TARDIS had alot of life to them, they were messy and more alien looking than Capaldi's perfect, boring, dark TARDIS imo. I can't even imagine what the new one will be like, a new TARDIS should blow you away and be something you could never picture in your head beforehand. The only thing we should expect is the central console of course, everything else should be a surprise to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 16:54:19 GMT
I know the TARDIS doesnt change design toooooooooooo much inside, but what do you think it should be like??? I liked the design Matt Smith had so Im hoping for more funny little gadgets Yeah Eccelston's/Tennant's and Smith's first TARDIS had alot of life to them, they were messy and more alien looking than Capaldi's perfect, boring, dark TARDIS imo. I can't even imagine what the new one will be like, a new TARDIS should blow you away and be something you could never picture in your head beforehand. The only thing we should expect is the central console of course, everything else should be a surprise to us.
Yes, it was quite messy and unusual, kinda like the 11th doctor himself I guess I dont know what the new doctors TARDIS looks like though haha, but I kinda want things which spin and lights which blink and levers and idk just things to DO, it would be boring to have a TARDIS with no interesting controls, it leads to some cool moments when the doctor pulls levers and stuff
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Post by Salty Drell on Jul 22, 2017 16:59:16 GMT
Yeah Eccelston's/Tennant's and Smith's first TARDIS had alot of life to them, they were messy and more alien looking than Capaldi's perfect, boring, dark TARDIS imo. I can't even imagine what the new one will be like, a new TARDIS should blow you away and be something you could never picture in your head beforehand. The only thing we should expect is the central console of course, everything else should be a surprise to us.
Yes, it was quite messy and unusual, kinda like the 11th doctor himself I guess I dont know what the new doctors TARDIS looks like though haha, but I kinda want things which spin and lights which blink and levers and idk just things to DO, it would be boring to have a TARDIS with no interesting controls, it leads to some cool moments when the doctor pulls levers and stuff
Yeah, the TARDIS is a living thing, not a machine, so it's appearance should reflect that. Big levers and lights and weird noises are very welcome. I think one of the coolest things was when 9 and 10 kept hitting it with that hammer to make it go, although that was questionable because they were kinda beating a living thing...lol.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 23, 2017 16:59:32 GMT
I'd love something that tributes the 3rd doctor's white TARDIS. Without all the disco spots.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jul 23, 2017 20:10:47 GMT
She's easy on the eyes. I might just start watching because of her.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 23:14:54 GMT
Yes, it was quite messy and unusual, kinda like the 11th doctor himself I guess I dont know what the new doctors TARDIS looks like though haha, but I kinda want things which spin and lights which blink and levers and idk just things to DO, it would be boring to have a TARDIS with no interesting controls, it leads to some cool moments when the doctor pulls levers and stuff
Yeah, the TARDIS is a living thing, not a machine, so it's appearance should reflect that. Big levers and lights and weird noises are very welcome. I think one of the coolest things was when 9 and 10 kept hitting it with that hammer to make it go, although that was questionable because they were kinda beating a living thing...lol. That reminds me, id love to see more of the relationship between the doctor and his/her TARDIS... I loved the episode where they actually managed to speak It made me cry, like idk... I always wonder about things like that, I always wonder what things like my car would say if it could speak or what type of personality my pc or cellphone would have and that episode really touched me, the doctor managed to meet and talk to his TARDIS even though it was brief
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Post by Sifr on Jul 24, 2017 13:20:52 GMT
Yeah Eccelston's/Tennant's and Smith's first TARDIS had alot of life to them, they were messy and more alien looking than Capaldi's perfect, boring, dark TARDIS imo. Well, technically Matt Smith had Capaldi's console room first. The first time we even saw it was right after the episode where Amy and Rory died, in the Christmas episode where Victorian Clara met the (retired) Doctor now living on a cloud. I'd speculate that it was probably too painful for him to be in whimsical and colourful console room he'd shared with them, so he got rid of it. His second control room can be seen as reflective of his mood at that time, empty and extremely depressing. It lacking the warmth or frills of the previous one was probably an intentional choice on his part. Capaldi livened the place up a lot more by having various bits-and-bobs along the walls, making it feel more like his man-cave. Yeah, the TARDIS is a living thing, not a machine, so it's appearance should reflect that. Big levers and lights and weird noises are very welcome. I think one of the coolest things was when 9 and 10 kept hitting it with that hammer to make it go, although that was questionable because they were kinda beating a living thing...lol. I never really thought about it that way. Depends whether the console is actually are part of the TARDIS or merely used to interface with it, because we've seen the console removed from the TARDIS before? Although even removed it was still enough to send the Third Doctor into the parallel universe in "Inferno", so who knows? Either way, the TARDIS probably doesn't mind the Doctor's odd bit of percussive maintenance all that much, since he makes up for it by stroking the console far more affectionately and regularly than would be considered... normal. (Incidentally, the hammer was also used to knock out the Sontaran sniper about to shoot Martha and Mickey in "The End of Time". Guess that's what happened to it?) I'd love something that tributes the 3rd doctor's white TARDIS. Without all the disco spots. But the round things, I love the round things! I'm a bit of a sucker for the secondary control room that the Fourth Doctor used in S14, the Victorian styled one with the wood panels. Fond as well of the Seventh/Eighth Doctor's one from the film, even if it was the size of a cathedral. The steampunk design of the console was absolutely beautiful, would love to see something like that return in the future.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 25, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
Jodie Whittaker has also been announced as the lead in a BBC drama "Trust me", where her character poses as a Doctor. It seems the universe is not without a sense of humour.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 11, 2017 7:52:53 GMT
So... what do we all think of her outfit? I'll be honest, I preferred the hoodie from the reveal trailer. To paraphrase more than a few comments I've read; "Well, she does look like someone who's been a man for 2000 years, might think how women dress?"(And based on some of the female companion's outfits... can't exactly blame her)
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 11, 2017 8:19:40 GMT
I really don't like the outfit, but that's not really much of a concern as much as whether or not this actress actually does a good job. Unfortunately, DW's sucked hard for a while now so I have no reason to hope for anything better at the moment. I'm going in with subterranean expectations.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 22, 2017 22:15:10 GMT
Well, we have the 'alternative' regeneration into the 13th Doctor as a comparison:
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Post by Sifr on Dec 26, 2017 9:16:50 GMT
Well, she's finally here! As with most new Doctors in their introduction scene, there's not much really to go on in a minute and a half. But I did love her reaction to seeing herself for the first time, how the initial shock dissolves into a warm smile and enthusiastic "Awww brilliant." That reaction seems very appropriate, in-character and thematic to the Doctor's character development. We've seen the last few incarnations depicted as somewhat burned out because they've pretty much been everywhere and done everything already. Finding themselves as a woman for the first time is something completely new for the Doctor to discover and have fun figuring out. It's after all, no different than the Eleventh Doctor being brought out of his semi-retirement funk after the death of Amy and Rory, by having the mystery of "What the hell is up with Clara?" to distract him with in Series 7B. Or the admission in a deleted scene from S5, that having all of space/time at his fingertips has since become mundane for him, so by letting his companions witness the beauty of the universe, he's able to appreciate it once more. But going back to Jodie Whittaker, it's nice to see that she's keeping her Northern accent for the part. Apparently some people are finding it a bit hard to understand her though? Kinda funny considering we've just come from a very Scottish Doctor... and the revived series began with the Ninth Doctor sporting a Northern accent. Looking forward to seeing where they take her character.
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Post by Cyonan on Dec 27, 2017 20:14:45 GMT
So I enjoyed the Christmas special. David Bradley did well, though I did feel that the dialogue was a bit "off" for the first doctor at times. Capaldi did good as well for his final send off(I know he got the short end of the stick writing wise during his time, but I still liked him).
I'm not sad that Bill is gone though as I found her so unremarkable as a character that I honestly can't remember anything about her character except the diversity checklist of her being a black lesbian.
As for Jodie, first off I preferred the outfit she wore in the reveal trailer rather than the one posted above here. I guess it feels like a bit of a throwback to the older Doctor outfits that were a bit crazier on the design choices though. I'm looking forward to seeing what she can do as the Doctor, especially given that Moffat is no longer the show runner. I think he does good as a writer for episodes every now and then, but I didn't care for him as much as the show runner.
I've not seen Jodie in anything else though and in the special she only is there for about a minute and a half so I've no real idea how she is as an actress. I'll still give her a fair shot as I have every other Doctor, and the fact that a woman is playing the character is of no concern to me. It's never been part of the lore from the show that a Time Lord can't change genders when regenerating and if we're accepting the pseudo-science behind regeneration then it's not a stretch that it could happen.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 3, 2018 13:17:02 GMT
So I enjoyed the Christmas special. David Bradley did well, though I did feel that the dialogue was a bit "off" for the first doctor at times. I've not seen much of the First Doctor's era (only the first few episodes several years ago), but it did at times feel more like a caricature of the First Doctor than the actual character. David Bradley was sterling as always, but I think that they let him down in regardless to both the writing he was given and that the First Doctor didn't really have anything to do in regards to the story. (Seriously, other than risking causing a paradox, what made the First Doctor decide to regenerate in the end? Why didn't he ever have a discussion about all the death and destruction he was shown during the "Doctor of War" montage that made him seem terrified of what he'll become? Unlike the War Doctor coming to view his future selves as silly, but ultimately brilliant men, we're never shown how the First Doctor appraises his older self? It makes me wonder how much was deleted from the finished episode or script?) As for the sexist jokes, they went far too overboard when one would have sufficed, rather than continue to beat a dead horse with it. One would have been enough to reference the fact that the First Doctor was from a different era of telly, then it should have been immediately dropped and forgotten. Personally, I'd have kept only the "smacked bottom" threat in response to Bill's swearing, because it sounded the most like a typical grandfatherly admonishment, rather than overt sexism. Even my grandparents used to say that (as an empty threat) whenever either I or one of my cousins would misbehave, to let us know they were still watching. In-universe, I suppose you can justify it maybe as the First Doctor's occasional (innocent) bigotry as parroting back things he's picked up from 60's era Earth, because he's still relatively clueless about the culture and society? Remember, the guy still won't go completely native until his Second and Third incarnations. In his First incarnation however, he was still stuck in the typical mindset of the Time Lords, who are often characterised as pompous, imperious and extremely condescending (British aristocracy in SPACE!) The First Doctor having picked up some of the worst aspects of the 60s (since he was there for some time with Susan before the start of the series) could handwave his occasional politically incorrect moment. This is after all same character who uttered in the very first episode; "Now, now, don't get exasperated, Susan. Remember the Red Indian. When he saw the first steam train, his savage mind thought it an illusion, too"
I mean... even if you accept my (lame) handwave explanation, that's still some pretty casual racism there, eh Doctor? But outdated 60s era thinking aside, that's no real excuse for them making the First Doctor seem like a sexist dinosaur in this episode. The joke wasn't particularly good the first time, let alone the third time it was beaten over our heads. And if the subtext for the First Doctor being all "stay in the kitchen" was supposed to be "Ha! Get it, because the Doctor is going to be a woman next!", that makes the intent of the joke even more lame. Capaldi was a great Doctor who let down by bad writing, either because Moffat didn't really know what to do with him, executive meddling from above or because he simply ran out of ideas after the Matt Smith era. Moffat said that wanted to make the Twelfth Doctor darker and the question of "Am I a Good Man?" was something that was a recurring feature throughout S8. However it ultimately fell a bit flat because aside from "Deep Breathe", he never was presented as that much more of an antihero than other Doctors. Twelve seemed to have a soft-reboot into more of a "Cool Dad" in S9. I suppose you can perhaps explain it away in-universe as a subconscious reaction to being called "old" too many times by people in S8, hence trading his coat for a hoodie, screwdriver for sunglasses and rocking out in the TARDIS. (Not that I object to his latter characterisation, but it does seem a vast contrast from earlier, more acerbic persona) I did like Bill, but she didn't really seem to have a character arc or any real narrative purpose in S10. It's why she'd have been better served if she'd been brought in during S9 and given another year for us to explore her character. (Rather than Moffat refusing to let Jenna Coleman leave when she wanted to at the end of S8, instead convincing her to come back for another season of Clara growing more insufferable and ending with her character going full God Mode Sue in "Hell Bent") Also the return of Heather felt a little shoe-horned in, as neither her or Bill actually had any real relationship beforehand, aside from a few chance encounters. It would have been better if Heather had been established as Bill's long-term girlfriend and not wanting to face her "death" was the impetus for Bill deciding to travel with the Doctor. The simple hoodie from the reveal was far better in my mind. Hopefully the production staff will listen to the (legitimate) criticism and how the fandom were divided about it, so they can perhaps rein it in a little? Doesn't even need to be major changes, even tweaking the colour scheme or some of the aspects can radically change the look?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 19, 2018 21:00:26 GMT
This another of my favorites (started watching it in 1974). Looking forward to this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 11:01:12 GMT
This another of my favorites (started watching it in 1974). Looking forward to this. Can't stop looking at the trousers. As for the trailer itself, perhaps a clean slate is needed? On the other hand, wiping away everything could alienate some ppl.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 11:44:25 GMT
ello my old thread. i've lost interest in dw after the fem doctor because dw been becoming too political for me liking.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 20, 2018 12:12:25 GMT
i've lost interest in dw after the fem doctor because dw been becoming too political for me liking. What's 'political' about it GG? They've virtually said nothing about what the series will include?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 12:31:41 GMT
i've lost interest in dw after the fem doctor because dw been becoming too political for me liking. What's 'political' about it GG? They've virtually said nothing about what the series will include? I get what @goldengail means. Going back to the Chris Eccleston series thru to now it's like the BBC is tripping over itself to appeal to twitter and whatnot, hitting hot topic points all over the place. I don't mean a female doctor, I'm fine with that, but their programming in general has a different tone to it these days. Take the Bake Off for example. Last BBC series they tried so hard to be inclusive that they seemed to cast ppl who fit a demographic rather than be the best baker. Then Channel 4 took over and cast ppl who were better bakers instead, some of whom happened to be PoC. With less focus on hitting targets and more on skill the group was so much better as a result.
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