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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 17, 2017 22:38:55 GMT
I, for one, don't want to see shitty writing or characters, esp if they serve some sort of policial platform in things I want to find entertainment with. We have a 24 hr news cycle that I like to get away from.
Sidenote: this was my favorite Who.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:39:47 GMT
I, for one, don't want to see shitty writing or characters, esp if they serve some sort of policial platform in things I want to find entertainment with. We have a 24 hr news cycle that I like to get away from. Sidenote: this was my favorite Who..... OMG, I LOVEEEEE NINE!
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 22:40:15 GMT
So when you called it an "SJW hole that Marvel is currently following..." that was intended to describe a half century of comic book tradition? Yet again, i didn't insinuate it was a recent trend. Also, Marvel's been following that path for quite some time anyhow. www.dictionary.com/browse/currently
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:41:43 GMT
Why are people assuming I was saying it was recent? Marvel's been doing that for ages now. I think its about the time they were bought by Disney...
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:43:31 GMT
No shit I know, I'm saying that you're griping about how you think that non-Mondesian Cybermen are going to be defiled by some kind of anti-capitalist ideology to make them sympathetic. It's just plain weird. Wait, what exactly did you mean by 'not the reasons i think?' what did you think i was insinuating? I meant that the Cybermen in Rose's alternate universe were challenged with a concept that was clearly not anti-capitalism in how the Doctor destroyed them. Definitely very anti-collective, the way I saw it, though it was more of a tale about wariness to conformity given what happens to converted Cybermen. I thought you were insinuating that there was some kind of contrived ideal being pushed on 'leftist' values. Also, you're splitting hairs on the portrayal over the Cybermen to a point that's just plain 'GEEK' territory. Like, Bill Shatner would be saying 'Get a life!' Weird.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:45:50 GMT
... Can you say for sure if that's the case? And where are you drawing the line between your own definitions of characters? Because it seems that your line is rather arbitrary, particularly without examples (which is fair, since there generally are few examples to begin with.) Otherwise... REVERSE BIGOTRY for the WIN!!!! Yes, I can definitely make the distinction. If the character didn't exist on their own before the change as a "representation character", and the only change was to make them into one, it's a redundant change made for ideological reasons. Strangely enough, many people dislike it when you turn their entertainment into your personal soapbox.
As for "reverse bigotry for the win", yeah, I'm sure you would think that.
Or maybe its a change of perspective? But yeah, you're pretty well politicized. Everything is somebody else's fault. It's a pretty big leap to think that just because a character got race/gender-lifted, it must obviously mean that it's some kind of ideological attack on somebody else. Gee, it must be hard to be a white guy, amirite?
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 17, 2017 22:47:42 GMT
9 is the reason I decided to look back at some of the older eps. Havent gone past him just yet because there's so many older episodes to get thru....
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 22:48:06 GMT
Why are people assuming I was saying it was recent? Marvel's been doing that for ages now. I think its about the time they were bought by Disney... "Marvel's currently on an SJW trend, replacing male characters with female ones."
"It's not a recent trend. They've been doing that since the 60s."
"I didn't imply that it was a recent trend."
"Yes you did. Here's a quote of you saying it."
"lol why does everyone think I'm saying it's a recent trend?! Anyway, I think it all started like 8 years ago."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:50:36 GMT
Wait, what exactly did you mean by 'not the reasons i think?' what did you think i was insinuating? I meant that the Cybermen in Rose's alternate universe were challenged with a concept that was clearly not anti-capitalism in how the Doctor destroyed them. Definitely very anti-collective, the way I saw it, though it was more of a tale about wariness to conformity given what happens to converted Cybermen. I thought you were insinuating that there was some kind of contrived ideal being pushed on 'leftist' values. Also, you're splitting hairs on the portrayal over the Cybermen to a point that's just plain 'GEEK' territory. Like, Bill Shatner would be saying 'Get a life!' Weird.Nothing wrong with being a geek. Also, what hairs am i splitting exactly? Explain? I didn't say it had to do with leftist values. EDIT: oh wait i just realized the borg and the cybermem are both communists ironically...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 22:51:22 GMT
Why are people assuming I was saying it was recent? Marvel's been doing that for ages now. I think its about the time they were bought by Disney... "Marvel's currently on an SJW trend, replacing male characters with female ones."
"It's not a recent trend. They've been doing that since the 60s."
"I didn't imply that it was a recent trend."
"Yes you did. Here's a quote of you saying it."
"lol why does everyone think I'm saying it's a recent trend?! Anyway, I think it all started like 8 years ago."
Nope didn't say that.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:54:09 GMT
Or maybe its a change of perspective? But yeah, you're pretty well politicized. Everything is somebody else's fault.
Gee, it must be hard to be a white guy, amirite? So you failed to respond rationally, and resorted to throwing accusations just on your second post? Impressive.
And "Everything is somebody else's fault" is actually a line I would associate with your faction tbh, either it's the "patriarchy", or the "fucking white males", or homophobia, etc. It's all about muh oppression, isn't it?
Are you oppressed enough yet Mr. White Guy? Everyone is trying to take away your power! Everybody knows you're the real victim here! Rational responses don't work for you. I've tried it before.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:55:40 GMT
I meant that the Cybermen in Rose's alternate universe were challenged with a concept that was clearly not anti-capitalism in how the Doctor destroyed them. Definitely very anti-collective, the way I saw it, though it was more of a tale about wariness to conformity given what happens to converted Cybermen. I thought you were insinuating that there was some kind of contrived ideal being pushed on 'leftist' values. Also, you're splitting hairs on the portrayal over the Cybermen to a point that's just plain 'GEEK' territory. Like, Bill Shatner would be saying 'Get a life!' Weird.Nothing wrong with being a geek. Also, what hairs am i splitting exactly? Explain? I didn't say it had to do with leftist values. Then why did you make such a deal out of me saying that Doctor Who has pushed values that are ostensibly against some far-left ideas and listed the Cybermen as an example?
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Post by Lady Artifice on Jul 17, 2017 22:57:09 GMT
Why are people assuming I was saying it was recent? Marvel's been doing that for ages now. I think its about the time they were bought by Disney... Because you began by using the word "currently," which means...Well, currently. Also, just right now, in this post of yours I'm quoting, you said it's been going on since Disney bought it, which happened less than a decade ago. When it's actually been going on for way longer.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 22:59:16 GMT
Are you oppressed enough yet Mr. White Guy? Everyone is trying to take away your power! Everybody knows you're the real victim here! Rational responses don't work for you. I've tried it before. Incidentally, I'm not the one claiming oppression, or making excuses for why I'm refusing to engage in a rational discussion. Because you're not a rational person?
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 23:04:26 GMT
Because you're not a rational person? ...You are really desperate aren't you? Either respond rationally and to the point or don't respond at all.
We are here to discuss a specific topic, let's avoid dragging the discussion elsewhere.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Reverse Bigotry! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Feminists! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah SJW Propoganda! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Is that your point? Because I think that was your point. My response is to sit from the heights of my ivy-covered ivory tour, peer down my nose and glasses, and scoff at your whiteness and maleness.
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Post by Syv on Jul 17, 2017 23:05:16 GMT
I don't know this serie tv but when I read the summary, it was said that when the Doctor is mortally wounded, he can survive by regenerating himself in another body; he then changes his appearance and, to a certain extent, his personality, but still retains the memory of his previous lives. That's what I read.
In theory, if that's the case, the new doctor could take the form of anyone, man or woman, small or tall, white or asian, anything, right ? So it totally makes sense, nothing retarded. It would be actually weird to see always the same type of guy to be honest. Surprised about the polemic since there is nothing retconned apparently. Something new apparently not welcomed by some.
Having a negative reaction over that is kinda weird to me. People always want the same things r what ?
At any rate, a french article was written about the tension it created, between people who are super happy and people who are angry, talking about a political correctness / sjw move from the BBC. Some even claiming they are not anymore interested just because of that. Though, according to the article, it was said there were more happy reactions overall. But I am cautious, I suspect that the article was a little biaised there.
The tension must be high, if a french article got interested lol. The success of this serie tv isn't as strong in my country as it is in the anglophone world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:10:21 GMT
I hope they give this doc some nice boob plate armour tbh.
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 17, 2017 23:12:19 GMT
Oh look, wonder woman is the onllllllly successful female figure......*snort*
Thats right, cherry pick the responses, leave out real criticism.
This vid showcases derp from all corners.
Just use google ma'am. You'll find just as many female character role models as the menfolk. Its sad if you can only identify with characters if they only have X though. OR Z or whatever trait. All this crap is going to dogpile in a giant pile of mush.
This guy is on point: Quality of Writing.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 23:13:37 GMT
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Reverse Bigotry! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Feminists! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah SJW Propoganda! Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Is that your point? Because I think that was your point. And I am the irrational one? Good talking to you Hawkeye.
Also, tbh, your tower looks kinda crumbling and covered in excrement from where I'm standing, or like a sinking ship that has lots of rats jumping away from it.
You're looking at the wrong building mate. I don't live in the White House.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:15:07 GMT
I hope they give this doc some nice boob plate armour tbh. She should also carry a staff with a naked female form atop it.
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Post by DomeWing333 on Jul 17, 2017 23:15:11 GMT
Whatever the phrasing he/she used, it's definitely a thing that's happening with Marvel, and the gender-bending is actually the subtle part. They don't pull punches about having their protagonists launch into political rants aimed at the readers. What thing? Discussing and portraying politics? Comics are and have always been a reflection of the world and its political climate at their time. The only reason people are speaking out about their "political messages" now is because they disagree with the politics. Is such and such character talking about treating others with respect regardless of their origins more of a political statement than creating a character called "The Mandarin" for Iron Man to fight? Or making Sue Storm being relegated to essentially "team secretary" in the Fantastic Four comics? Or, hell, a character like Wonder Woman being created in the first place?
There's no "new trend." It's an old trend in a new world.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:18:18 GMT
I hope they give this doc some nice boob plate armour tbh. She should also carry a staff with a naked female form atop it. When I saw the notification I knew what was coming..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:19:35 GMT
She should also carry a staff with a naked female form atop it. When I saw the notification I knew what was coming.. I'm nothing if not predictable.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Jul 17, 2017 23:20:23 GMT
I hope they give this doc some nice boob plate armour tbh. She should also carry a staff with a naked female form atop it. Nah. Too Daenerys. Something more original, perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 23:28:57 GMT
But the next phase -- and I'm sure Lady Artifice would agree -- is to make the new Who into a caustic gay character.
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