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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 5, 2017 18:00:49 GMT
Let's face it, the DCEU just isn't really good. They may be more visually interesting and more grittier, but they suffer from really poor character writing and development, focusing a lot more on Easter Eggs and characters that DC fans will recognize and enjoy. For me, the most important aspect of a cinematic universe or a series is that audiences like the characters and the world they inhabit, and they want to see them again, growing and evolving along with the audience.
So with that in mind, here are my own thoughts on making a DC Cinematic Universe. (Bear in mind, I'm not a huge DC fan, so there may be a few features and elements I get incorrect. If I do get something wrong, kindly correct me.)
NOTE: This will be updated frequently for each Phase. I'll start by listing movies, and then move on to TV or other entertainment media.
PHASE 1:
- The Flash - this is a superhero origin/coming of age story about Barry Allen as he acquires his powers and tries to balance superhero life with normal life. The main antagonists are the Rogues (Captain Cold, Abra Kadabra, Trickster, Captain Boomerang, and Weather Man), who get powers based on their alter egos thanks to the Particle Accelerator (except Captain Cold).
- Batman - the big reason I didn't start with the much more profitable Batman is because I want Batman's story to revolve around how normal people are reacting to the metahumans. Here, the police are even more concerned about the Batman vigilante and whether he's on their side or not. Not to mention, the revelation of superpowers begins giving certain criminals ideas on how they can step up in crime, so a lot of Batman's famous villains could rise from that idea. This Batman story is supposed to be a detective noir story, in which he investigates the rise of Scarecrow and his new biological weapon. For fun, I would also bring Catwoman to the story as well. My Batman is not as gritty or violent as Ben Affleck's Batman, mainly relying on intimidation instead of torture. I also want Batman to make a few one-liners, not to be corny or funny, but again, as intimidation. (For example, he says to a group of criminals ready to fight him but clearly scared, "You really want to do this?")
- Wonder Woman - taking place in World War 2, it follows Diana as she leaves her island and people to the world of men and in this case, help stop a mystical threat. The mystical threat I was thinking of is Orm and his followers of Atlantis from conquering the surface, since I would also like Wonder Woman to be the story of Aquaman's origins as well. This would be more reminiscent of adventure/fantasy with some fish out of water experiences.
- Green Lantern - Rather than be a pure origin story for Hal Jordan (granted showing how he got to space in the first place would help), the story is more focused on a younger inexperienced Hal Jordan getting oriented into the Green Lantern Corp and trying to stop an intergalactic threat in a buddy cop movie style.
- Superman - it's a coming of age story with a younger Clark Kent. He explores his origins and tries to cope with his idea of identity and determine whether or not he should become a hero. The villain is Parasite, who in this version has a more alien version and connects with Martian Manhunter, who's also a big character in the story.
- Justice League - Eventually the heroes end up accidentally meeting each other and after agreeing to align to stop an alien invasion (in this case, the Appelexions), they eventually decide to form a league of their own.
So this is how Phase 1 of my DC Cinematic Universe would go. If you have any questions or suggestions, let me know.
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Post by LightningPoodle on Mar 5, 2017 18:16:36 GMT
So basically how the Marvel Cinematic Universe did it?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 5, 2017 18:40:28 GMT
So basically how the Marvel Cinematic Universe did it? Didn't necessarily think about that. I guess it's really hard not to copy the MCU since they did so successfully. Oh well.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Mar 5, 2017 19:14:48 GMT
Did you use to post in the OFF topic section on BSN back in the days before it got closed down?....
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Post by Galactic Runner on Mar 5, 2017 21:30:25 GMT
Get better writers, like, seriously.
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Post by Melra on Mar 5, 2017 21:59:54 GMT
If you are going to copy a direct competitor, you better do a better job or just come up with something of your own. I haven't watched all of the latest DC movies, simply because I don't find them at all interesting. It has at times just seemed like what Marvel puts out, just worse. So why bother?
Hope they find their own way before they drive themselves bankrupt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 23:29:43 GMT
I really wish they did it so The Flash, Arrow and Supergirl (from the TV shows) were all in the justice league... like... can you imagine how omg awesome that would be??? I also wish they would have gone with The Dark Knight trilogys Batman instead of Ben Afleck... I like him and all, but he doesnt suit being Batman... he kinda looks a little on the large side in his suit, and I cant get used to it... his voice is awesome, but he just doesnt seem to fit somehow... also it would be more awesome, like everything links together awesome... I dont even really like The Dark Knight movies, Bane scares me, but I think theyre really well made I was actually thinking a few weeks ago "I should write how I would have handled Batman v Superman in some kind of fanfiction thing"
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Post by Darth Dennis on Mar 6, 2017 0:52:55 GMT
Or you could start it with a film where Batman and Superman fight for some reason, then start working together and then Wonder Woman turns up. That way you could rush through three character backgrounds at once without properly exploring what fuels their desire to fight crime and occasionally each other.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 6, 2017 1:44:11 GMT
Did you use to post in the OFF topic section on BSN back in the days before it got closed down?.... Not really. I wasn't a really huge forum user back then. I guess I do it frequently nowadays seeing as I now have direct access to a fanbase I can relate to and share ideas without worrying too much about being considered crazy or having no business in creativity.
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Post by LightningPoodle on Mar 6, 2017 6:06:01 GMT
I think it's too late for DC to do a good DCCU. The problem is, Marvel have the formula locked down. It was perfect. Before the MCU became a thing, they were just making superhero movies people would enjoy. Then came the connections between films. Then they actually got together. It was a nice, slow transition from fun, individual movies to what it is now (where you have to see every one of them).
The problem DC have is that they are trying to do a Justice League movie way too early. What did Marvel have? They had (sort of) two Hulk movies. Then two Iron Man movies. Thor. Captain America. They already gave their cinematic universe legs to run on. DC are just trying to cram it all in to as few movies as possible in an attempt to catch up.
If DC had decided to keep Christian Bales Batman, and included him in the SvB movie, I think it would have been received better. Instead, we got a new Batman that we know little about. Why does he fight crime? Who trained him? Et cetera. Yes, we already know all this, but as a film and as a story, we need to see the origins. We did get to see some stuff that hinted on his past, such as the death of his Sidekick by the Joker (can't remember which one it was). But it's not enough for us to connect to that Batman, like we did with Bale's version.
What DC are doing right though is their TV series. Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl. They're creating a very well grounded TV series, which thankfully they began before Marvel's. This is where their strength is. They have 5 series of Arrow, two of Flash and one for Legends and Supergirl. They should keep this formula going, as they are in the lead here. They should even think about transitioning it into the movies, all at least make it clear that both exist in the same universe.
That's another thing. DC are too worried about how things are going to be received, unlike Marvel who just do because they have faith in what they've created. That's why we keep getting Batman movies.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Mar 6, 2017 6:33:58 GMT
Did you use to post in the OFF topic section on BSN back in the days before it got closed down?.... Not really. I wasn't a really huge forum user back then. I guess I do it frequently nowadays seeing as I now have direct access to a fanbase I can relate to and share ideas without worrying too much about being considered crazy or having no business in creativity. Oh okay, I just thought that I recognized your posts from back then, it's not a critique I remember this guy who often posted like this, he was a nice guy, I just wondered if it was you
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Post by Lorn on Mar 6, 2017 9:30:01 GMT
The big question is how much of a threat is Scarecrow to Batman in your film?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 6, 2017 9:44:08 GMT
The big question is how much of a threat is Scarecrow to Batman in your film? If he's got the Starburst from Arkham Knight....I would say very much a threat.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 6, 2017 17:08:16 GMT
I kind of thought of how I would cast the main Justice League in my DC Cinematic Universe.
- Micheal Cera (The Flash) - My main reasoning for casting him as the Flash is partly because of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. I'd like my Flash to be a relatively dorky guy, but also humble, a bit like Peter Parker because quiet frankly that's who the CW Flash (Grant Gustin) reminds me of.
- Jason O'Mara (Batman) - Jason O'Mara has provided the voice for Batman in a lot of WB's animated DC movies, and based on his performance as Jeffrey Mace in Agents of SHIELD, I'd say he can pull off the look as well. He could easily portray a serious crime-fighter but also a charismatic billionaire playboy. He's pretty much the perfect Bruce Wayne.
- Gal Gadot (Wonder Woman) - no real surprise, I think that the current cast for Wonder Woman so far is perfect. Moving on I guess.
- Justin Hartley (Aquaman) - This guy portrayed Aquaman in a TV Pilot for an Aquaman TV show that sadly wasn't picked up as a series. From what I heard, the reception to his performance was really positive, so I'd say maybe give him another chance to play the classic Aquaman we all know and love.
- Liam Hemsworth (Hal Jordan) - initially I wanted him as Aquaman, but I think he can pull off Hal Jordan a bit better.
- Henry Cavill (Superman) - To be fair, I don't think Henry Cavill was a BAD Superman. He definitely pulled off the look and even had some of the American charm Superman was known for. Truthfully, I just think it's that he wasn't given a good director or a good script. I'm pretty sure if he was given much better material, he might get praised as the definitive Superman.
- Martian Manhunter (Zoey Zaldanna) - I always found Martian Manhunter as a woman a bit better. There's something more mysterious about a superpowered female alien being in my head, and I think that Zaldanna (who's had experience playing female alien characters) could pull off the Martian Manhunter. If the Ancient One could be a woman, why can't Martian Manhunter?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 6, 2017 21:42:12 GMT
So basically how the Marvel Cinematic Universe did it? Didn't necessarily think about that. I guess it's really hard not to copy the MCU since they did so successfully. Oh well. I think what makes MArvel more successful than DC in this is that the MCU is more...optimistic. I mean, even when the endings are more bittersweet (like with Civil War), there's still this hope that the heroes still do what they think is right and will always be there to stop threats. With DC, even Superman, the "Boy Scout" forgets how to smile, wonders it's all worth it, and even his own father tells him it would be okay to let a school bus full of his classmates drown to protect his identity. I think that, in general, people respond better to characters who show humanity's better side (even if they're aliens from outer space). Not to make them Mary Sue/Gary Stus. But to show that there are people out there with great power, who could use that power for selfish reasons or personal gain, but who choose to be better. I mean, I think the traumatized Batman who uses his skills and wealth to protect Gotham City and keep others from suffering what he did as a child resonates far better than an obsessive Batman who acts out his violetn revenge fantasies by murdering criminals and branding the survivors.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 7, 2017 1:25:38 GMT
I think what makes MArvel more successful than DC in this is that the MCU is more...optimistic. Which is weird when you consider that in many ways, the MCU is actually a bigger crapsack world than the DCEU. The key difference is that Marvel characters are so likeable and fun to follow, that you don't notice it as much.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 7, 2017 1:34:44 GMT
I think what makes MArvel more successful than DC in this is that the MCU is more...optimistic. Which is weird when you consider that in many ways, the MCU is actually a bigger crapsack world than the DCEU. The key difference is that Marvel characters are so likeable and fun to follow, that you don't notice it as much. Pretty much. I mean, even if the muggles of the MCU fear and distrust the supers and pass stuff like the Sokovia Accords, they still try to make the world a better place as best they can. As opposed to the DC heroes who just brood and angst about how unfair it all is.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 7, 2017 10:16:13 GMT
There's nothing inherently wrong about them depicting the DCEU as dark and gritty, but the issue is that they stories they tell simply aren't interesting and we have no reason to connect with many of it's characters. Made worse because they keep giving us hints at backstories that sound far more engaging than what we're actually watching.
That being said, I do like their take on Batman.
He's always been fueled by vengeance and one bad day away from becoming the very villains he fights. The idea that this incarnation has become so battle-hardened and broken from the death of Robin, that he's effectively become a serial killer who ritually brands criminals, is an intriguing one. I can believe that this Batman is someone who'd let his fear and paranoia of Superman drive him to spend over 18 months planning to murder him.
As ridiculed as the Martha scene is, it finally snaps him out of this tail spin. In that moment we clearly see the shock, rage, confusion and eventual dawning realistion all flash across Batman's face. He genuinely thought he was saving humanity from an "evil alien" and "false God", only to realise that Superman is human enough to use what could be his last breath to beg Batman to rescue his adopted mother.
One thing I think they could have done to explain why this incarnation of Superman is so stoic, emotionless and detached. My suggestion would be to explore the idea that he may suffer from mild dissociation as a side-effect of his vast powers?
The sheer amount of raw sensory input he's constantly bombarded with (which we saw him struggle with as a child), could mean that despite his best attempts to filter most of it out, he still regularly suffering from sensory overload and shutting down as a defense mechanism. This is what leads people (such as Batman and Lex) to mistake this tendency for him being an "inscrutable alien", rather than someone who's dealing with the stress of having to constantly keep his powers in check.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 7, 2017 16:24:03 GMT
There's nothing inherently wrong about them depicting the DCEU as dark and gritty, but the issue is that they stories they tell simply aren't interesting and we have no reason to connect with many of it's characters. Made worse because they keep giving us hints at backstories that sound far more engaging than what we're actually watching. That being said, I do like their take on Batman. He's always been fueled by vengeance and one bad day away from becoming the very villains he fights. The idea that this incarnation has become so battle-hardened and broken from the death of Robin, that he's effectively become a serial killer who ritually brands criminals, is an intriguing one. I can believe that this Batman is someone who'd let his fear and paranoia of Superman drive him to spend over 18 months planning to murder him. As ridiculed as the Martha scene is, it finally snaps him out of this tail spin. In that moment we clearly see the shock, rage, confusion and eventual dawning realistion all flash across Batman's face. He genuinely thought he was saving humanity from an "evil alien" and "false God", only to realise that Superman is human enough to use what could be his last breath to beg Batman to rescue his adopted mother. One thing I think they could have done to explain why this incarnation of Superman is so stoic, emotionless and detached. My suggestion would be to explore the idea that he may suffer from mild dissociation as a side-effect of his vast powers? The sheer amount of raw sensory input he's constantly bombarded with (which we saw him struggle with as a child), could mean that despite his best attempts to filter most of it out, he still regularly suffering from sensory overload and shutting down as a defense mechanism. This is what leads people (such as Batman and Lex) to mistake this tendency for him being an "inscrutable alien", rather than someone who's dealing with the stress of having to constantly keep his powers in check. I agree that making a dark and gritty superhero universe isn't inherently a bad thing, if it's done right. The Dark Knight Trilogy was very well made and connected with audiences despite being dark and gritty. The biggest problem though is that all the points you made about the DCEU, from Batman to Superman, is IMPLIED, but not very well. While I realize that Batman being fueled by vengeance and becoming very violent because of him being battle hardened and losing Robin does make sense, it wasn't the right place to introduce Batman. What if an audience member who knew nothing about Batman or had a very vague idea about him saw the Affleck version. He or she would probably get the impression that Batman's the villain because when you get down to it, he kind of is. He spends the entire movie with a lust to kill Batman and seems to just kill anyone he doesn't like. How is an audience member supposed to root for Batman if he had all the qualities of a primary antagonist? With Superman, your suggestion about why he seems so stoic is just that. A suggestion. I realize there's the whole mantra of "show don't tell", but we never get anything in the movie implying that Superman's struggling from so much input. We don't get a scene of Superman straining as we hear so many sounds at once, nor do we get a scene where Clark talks to Lois about how stressful his powers are, so for all we know, Superman just doesn't enjoy saving people. As for the Martha scene, I get the idea behind it, that Superman's plea for help shows that he's human, but it's still dumb! The movie keeps hammering it in that Bruce and Clark's mother are both named Martha that it just sounds silly. The scene could easily have worked if Superman just said "mother" instead of Martha. But I think there's a much bigger flaw than the series having a super bleak tone. The biggest problem is that Warner Bros seems so worried that comic fans won't like their movie that they think that by cramming in plenty of comic book easter eggs and moments, they'll love it. In some cases they're right, but because they're trying to fit in so many moments, they end up forgetting about the important fundamentals of filmmaking, namely good story and likable characters. Aside from the characters being beyond bland and cutout, the story is way too filled with plot holes that no amount of thinking can properly add up. Why was Superman able to find Lois whenever she's in trouble but not his own mother? Why didn't he keep Zod's ship away from the government if in the last movie he destroyed a drone for following him? Why didn't Batman attack with the spear first instead of relying on all those gadgets and home alone traps? Why didn't Superman just TELL Batman that Martha's in trouble BEFORE they fought (and before you say anything, he had every opportunity in that fight to just say Martha's in trouble, but wasted it with lines like "You don't understand", "you're making a mistake," and constantly fighting him)? Why did Superman NEED Batman to save Martha (isn't he faster than a speeding bullet? It's obvious Lex wasn't watching the fight to see if Superman kept his end of the bargain, so he could very easily find that warehouse, crash through the bad guys and get his mother out without anyone noticing)? WHY DIDN'T SUPERMAN JUST THROW THE DAMN SPEAR AT DOOMSDAY?!
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Post by Iakus on Mar 7, 2017 17:00:01 GMT
One thing I think they could have done to explain why this incarnation of Superman is so stoic, emotionless and detached. My suggestion would be to explore the idea that he may suffer from mild dissociation as a side-effect of his vast powers? The problem is, in most incarnations of Superman, he isn't stoic. he's compassionate: www.businessinsider.com/no-one-gets-superman-anymore-2015-7Superman isn't good or special because he's an alien who crashes on Earth and ends up being incredibly powerful. He's special because after all that he becomes someone who always does the right thing because he was raised by a couple of decent people from Kansas. That's it.
He is someone with the power to be the most selfish being in all of existence, and he decides to be selfless because he was raised by a couple of kindly farmers. And the beautiful idea behind him is that we don't need to be bulletproof to be that way — we just have to be decent people.I actually watched BvsS with my mom, who found WOnder WOman the most interesting character in the movie. By the time the spear was recovered, she was practically yelling at the screen "Give her the spear! She knows what she's doing"
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 7, 2017 17:28:49 GMT
I actually watched BvsS with my mom, who found WOnder WOman the most interesting character in the movie. By the time the spear was recovered, she was practically yelling at the screen "Give her the spear! She knows what she's doing" I initially thought of that too, but in hindsight, Wonder Woman was holding Doomsday in place, so while she WOULD be the ideal candidate to throw the spear, the situation couldn't let her at the time. So again, instead of charging at Doomsday and getting killed in the process, WHY DIDN'T SUPERMAN JUST THROW THE SPEAR!?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 7, 2017 17:29:36 GMT
Here's a basic synopsis for what a Flash movie in my Cinematic Universe would be like. I warn you, it's not perfect:
The movie would begin during Barry’s childhood, in which his mom is murdered by a mysterious yellow lightening, but unfortunately, the police end up arresting his father instead. Cut to years later, as we meet our adult Barry (played by Michael Cera) who’s now a forensic investigator for the Central City Police Department, but while he’s a damn good one, he’s unfortunately clumsy, always late, and socially awkward. Despite that however, he is currently engaged to reporter Iris West (played by Jamie Chung) and they plan to marry in a few weeks.
During these years however, Barry has been conducting his own investigations into the death of his mother, hoping that he could prove his father innocent. This is very important because this need and hunger for justice for his father is ultimately what drives Barry into becoming a hero.
Barry and Iris both attend the opening of a large Particle Accelerator being built by Star Labs, but a group of heavily armed criminals known as the Rogues, lead by Captain Cold (played by Jason Statham), break-in and try to sabotage the experiment. What results is a big explosion to which Iris escapes but Barry unfortunately doesn’t.
Barry then wakes up inside Star Labs and notices his new powers. The world seems to slow down around him, and he’s able to dash across the room in a second. His initial reactions to his powers is what you’d probably expect. He’s terrified and confused. He tries to escape, but because of his new speed and increased metabolism, he passes out once again having exhausted all his energy. Eventually he meets the remaining Star Labs scientists, Caitlyn Snow (played by Cara Delevingne) and Cisco Rimone (played by Diego Bonita), who work under a wheelchair bound Harrison Wells (played by David Tennant). They inform Barry of his new powers and how he has become the first “metahuman” if you will. They also tell Barry that they want to help him get used to his powers, including a heavier diet, and tests. Barry accepts this only on the condition that he gets to see Iris again. Though Harrison is skeptical about it, he eventually agrees.
While Barry is trying to adjust to his new powers, the Rogues learn that they also developed powers as well, turning each member into their own alter egos. Trickster can levitate himself, Mirror Master can create duplicates of various objects, Weather Wizard can control the weather, and Captain Boomerang can mentally control his boomerangs at will. The only member not to have gained powers was Captain Cold, though he theorizes that it’s probably because of his suit. But regardless, Cold and the Rogues make a stunning realization that they are now even more powerful than the police and nothing can stop them.
Meanwhile, Barry and Iris are at a nearby cafe, when a fire suddenly breaks out in an office building nearby, which seems to be going out of control. Instinctively, pulling up the hood of his red hoodie, Barry dashes into the building and manages to save everyone. The news barely caught him, giving him the moniker, the Flash due to witnesses saying how he was “gone in a Flash!” Dr. Wells is not happy with Barry’s recklessness and how he almost got caught, but both Cisco and Caitlyn jump in saying that if Barry didn’t do anything, those people would have died. Cisco convinces Dr. Wells that by having Barry save people, it could act as a field test. Dr. Wells agrees and has Barry put on a special red suit with data inputs and an earpiece for communicating with the team. Cisco also decides to add some superhero touches by adding lightning bolt emblems.
The suit itself is a little less spandex and a bit more bulk, inspired by the suit from Injustice and the DCEU. I’d also like to add some yellow wiring throughout the suit that act sort of as an energy circuit for the suit.
With his new suit, Barry responds to his first crime, but it’s being committed by the new super-powered Rogues. Though Barry initially struggles, he manages to hold off against each Rogue, but they still get away. Even worse, the police arrive and their reception to the Flash is a bit fearful. Flash just dashes away.
While Barry questions how the world will react to him, Captain Cold and the Rogues theorize that the Flash will keep getting in their way, so they need to take him down.
Some time later, the Rogues break-in to Star Labs again, hoping to find a prototype weapon they researched about via security feeds on the day of the explosion. Barry gets called in, but it's on the day they’re getting Iris’s wedding dress. Barry is momentarily hesitant because he and Iris’ relationship had strained a bit due to his secret superhero business, but ultimately decides to go to Star Labs. Even though Flash manages to stop the Rogues, he learns that it was all a distraction so that Captain Cold kidnaps Iris. It turns out from the same security feeds, they figured out that Barry Allen is the Flash.
Flash manages to find Captain Cold, who challenges him to a fight to save Iris. They are surprisingly well matched, as Cold designed an eye-piece that slows down his vision, allowing him to see wherever Barry is. It seems like Flash isn’t going to make it out of this, but then Harrison Wells tells Barry about his father, how he wouldn’t want him to stop fighting and the promise that he will find answers. This inspires Barry to keep fighting, this time using tactics and strategy with the help of Cisco and Caitlyn. He manages to defeat Captain Cold and rescue Iris, who has already figured out Barry’s secret because, well, she’s a reporter.
A government agency later arrived and takes Cold and the Rogues away (they’re called ARGUS) while Barry and Iris get married. Flash then runs through the streets of Central city while Barry narrates the final words. His words are:
“My name is Barry Allen. I never asked to be super, or a hero. But fate seemed to have other plans for me. While the outside world continues to see me as an ordinary forensic scientist, I secretly use my speed to help others in need. But as I continue to be the hero my city needs, I still hold on to my goal to find whoever killed my mother and get justice for my father. I am the Flash!”
After the credits, we see a post credit scene in which Captain Cold is still in prison. Suddenly, a man surrounded in yellow lightning appears in his cell (Professor Zoom) and asks him about the Flash, saying that “he’s almost ready.”
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Post by Iakus on Mar 7, 2017 17:39:44 GMT
I actually watched BvsS with my mom, who found WOnder WOman the most interesting character in the movie. By the time the spear was recovered, she was practically yelling at the screen "Give her the spear! She knows what she's doing" I initially thought of that too, but in hindsight, Wonder Woman was holding Doomsday in place, so while she WOULD be the ideal candidate to throw the spear, the situation couldn't let her at the time. So again, instead of charging at Doomsday and getting killed in the process, WHY DIDN'T SUPERMAN JUST THROW THE SPEAR!?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 8, 2017 2:03:21 GMT
I initially thought of that too, but in hindsight, Wonder Woman was holding Doomsday in place, so while she WOULD be the ideal candidate to throw the spear, the situation couldn't let her at the time. So again, instead of charging at Doomsday and getting killed in the process, WHY DIDN'T SUPERMAN JUST THROW THE SPEAR!? While I really liked the extended version of BvS (the theatrical one can burn), this video was fantastic. Actually, most of HISHEs videos are fantastic.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 8, 2017 3:23:19 GMT
One thing that bugs me in BVS is why Superman allowed people to go near the downed Kryptonian vessel?
In Man of Steel, he initially hides it in the Arctic precisely because he didn't want the advanced Kryptonian technology inside to fall into the hands of humanity. After Zod stole the scout ship and Superman intentionally causes it to crash in Metropolis, why didn't he try to recover it or ensure it was completely destroyed?
Admittedly we don't know the upper limits of this incarnation's strength, so it may be beyond him to physically lift the vessel if it's now incapable of flight. Background information for the film does however suggest that the ship is capable of some measure of self-repair and the movie even shows it's capable of fabricating materials (such as his outfit). BVS showed that the onboard AI was still online and could have told him precisely what he needed to do to repair the ship enough to fly, thus allowing him to remove it out of reach of humanity (again).
Maybe he thought that they couldn't enter it because it was DNA-locked and the technology is far too advance for us to even come close to cracking conventionally, but still... after 33 years of living among us, he should have known that humans are friggin' crafty when they want something badly enough, as well as willing to try anything.
Man of Steel showed him putting his foot down when it came to the government trying to spy on him, by shooting down one of the surveillance drones. Why didn't he draw a similar line in the sand when it came to not touching the ship?
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