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Post by laxian on Mar 8, 2017 20:49:26 GMT
Hey guys,
just wanted to ask your opinion on this, because as far as we know:
We will not get an optimized UI for the PC, we will not have access to as many skills as we could have (without needing profiles and all that jazz!) and finally we won't even be getting a DVD? I mean they do know that not everybody is fortunate enough to have a decent internet connection (I do, but I know how it is not to have one, I've had very slow DSL for a long time and frankly I hated it!), don't they?
Sure there's some other things I have missed, but over all it sounds like they are more or less ignoring us (more so after DA:I were people were already complaining and rightfully so!)!
So the stage is your's: DISCUSS!
greetings LAX
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Post by Thalandor on Mar 8, 2017 20:52:37 GMT
They're just doing what is easiest... designing a different UI and skill selection system just for the PC doesn't make sense development wise. As for "no DVDs", that's just EA saving money.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 8, 2017 20:53:35 GMT
Mass Effect 1 had a third-party studio port it a year after it came out on Xbox, that's why all ports have been weak since that.
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Post by squidney2k1 on Mar 8, 2017 21:09:04 GMT
No. Just....no. 90% off all of the gameplay has been from the PC (with a controller), and everyone's play-test was on a PC. Keep in mind, that ME3 didn't even support controllers or UI revisions, and it was up to mods to make console controllers work. The access to skills in ME3 was the same across all platforms--like it or not, it's a gameplay decision, NOT a technical limitation to accommodate consoles. The only other real problems ME3 had on PC were the lack of FOV & UI scaling, and broken Talon Mercenary controls, but the former Bioware said was a "choice, not a flaw." And complaining about DVDs in 2017? Dude, get with the times. You want a company to spend more money to accommodate a high-capacity blu-ray disc because your internet connection is sub-par? Get real. Plus, you'd be SOL on all of those patches, including day 1. Shiiit, I remember downloading games that would take almost 24-hrs, and you'll be complaining for a download that takes 1/3 of that. Plus, that's what pre-loading is for.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 8, 2017 21:21:57 GMT
To be honest I'm fine with the whole getting just as many skills thing because the game is likely to be balanced around those profiles. PC shouldn't have an in-game mechanics based advantage simply because of our choice of platform.
A UI as well I am also okay with being the same provided it's not a nightmare to navigate with a keyboard and mouse.
Playing through a game like Dark Souls 1 on my PC with keyboard and mouse, that is a game that has nothing but contempt for the PC. The devs put zero effort into the PC port of that game and it blatantly shows, because it's one of the worst PC ports ever.
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Post by laxian on Mar 8, 2017 21:29:06 GMT
No. Just....no. 90% off all of the gameplay has been from the PC (with a controller), and everyone's play-test was on a PC. Keep in mind, that ME3 didn't even support controllers or UI revisions, and it was up to mods to make console controllers work. The access to skills in ME3 was the same across all platforms--like it or not, it's a gameplay decision, NOT a technical limitation to accommodate consoles. The only other real problems ME3 had on PC were the lack of FOV & UI scaling, and broken Talon Mercenary controls, but the former Bioware said was a "choice, not a flaw." And complaining about DVDs in 2017? Dude, get with the times. You want a company to spend more money to accommodate a high-capacity blu-ray disc because your internet connection is sub-par? Get real. Plus, you'd be SOL on all of those patches, including day 1. Shiiit, I remember downloading games that would take almost 24-hrs, and you'll be complaining for a download that takes 1/3 of that. Plus, that's what pre-loading is for. Indeed, I do (and no: I don't have a "crappy internet connetction", but others I know do!), to tell somebody who lives somewhere in the countryside with a crappy connection to "go with the time" is an insult (makes you sound like some entitled "born with golden spoon in his/her mouth" kind of person) and I was NOT talking about a blue-ray (you didn't actually read my posting, did you? You skimmed it at best!)...and being "SOL" for a few gigabytes of a patch is better than having to download 40+ gigabytes for the full game (!) Controller support? I don't want or need that on PC, I'd want propper KEYBOARD and MOUSE SUPPORT (I will never play a shooter with a controller if I have the choice to use mouse and keyboard which makes much more sense - even bad gamers are better at shooters with mouse/keyboard than with a controller) Yeah, a gameplay decision because it only works decently on console that way (on PC you have over ten times the buttons you could assign to skills, weapons etc.!) greetings LAX ps: I am not a "PC-Master-Race" guy (not at all, I might have never owned a console, but I always love to play games with friends on their consoles!), but propper PC-Support should IMHO be the norm, not the exception
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Post by squidney2k1 on Mar 8, 2017 21:46:48 GMT
No. Just....no. 90% off all of the gameplay has been from the PC (with a controller), and everyone's play-test was on a PC. Keep in mind, that ME3 didn't even support controllers or UI revisions, and it was up to mods to make console controllers work. The access to skills in ME3 was the same across all platforms--like it or not, it's a gameplay decision, NOT a technical limitation to accommodate consoles. The only other real problems ME3 had on PC were the lack of FOV & UI scaling, and broken Talon Mercenary controls, but the former Bioware said was a "choice, not a flaw." And complaining about DVDs in 2017? Dude, get with the times. You want a company to spend more money to accommodate a high-capacity blu-ray disc because your internet connection is sub-par? Get real. Plus, you'd be SOL on all of those patches, including day 1. Shiiit, I remember downloading games that would take almost 24-hrs, and you'll be complaining for a download that takes 1/3 of that. Plus, that's what pre-loading is for. Indeed, I do (and no: I don't have a "crappy internet connetction", but others I know do!), to tell somebody who lives somewhere in the countryside with a crappy connection to "go with the time" is an insult (makes you sound like some entitled "born with golden spoon in his/her mouth" kind of person) and I was NOT talking about a blue-ray (you didn't actually read my posting, did you? You skimmed it at best!)...and being "SOL" for a few gigabytes of a patch is better than having to download 40+ gigabytes for the full game (!) Controller support? I don't want or need that on PC, I'd want propper KEYBOARD and MOUSE SUPPORT (I will never play a shooter with a controller if I have the choice to use mouse and keyboard which makes much more sense - even bad gamers are better at shooters with mouse/keyboard than with a controller) Yeah, a gameplay decision because it only works decently on console that way (on PC you have over ten times the buttons you could assign to skills, weapons etc.!) greetings LAX ps: I am not a "PC-Master-Race" guy (not at all, I might have never owned a console, but I always love to play games with friends on their consoles!), but propper PC-Support should IMHO be the norm, not the exception Few things: 1. I never said that you happy a "Crappy internet connection," so please don't make up quotes. It's wrong, and makes you look bad, fyi. 2. You DO need to get with the times. Just because you may unfortunately have a slow-ass DSL connection does not mean the rest of us do. Most Americans (yes, I'm assuming America because I'm American and our internet speeds are in the middle of the road compared to worldwide) have internet speeds over 9 Mbps (over half), and over 80% have speeds over 4.5 Mbps. That's good enough to download the average AAA game in 8 hrs or less. If you don't meet those standards, then YOU are behind the curve. Not that the rest of us are "entitled" or "born with golden spoons in his/her mouth" for a simple $40/month internet connection of at least 10 Mbps, but simply that you are SOL because of where you choose to live and the limited internet services that less than 20% of Americans have to deal with, in respect to this case. That's like claiming that you're being unfairly left-out because your Blackberry Curve from 2009 can't run an App on the Android/iOS store. As Cassandra would say: DEAL. WITH. IT. 3. ME1, ME2, & ME3 all had proper keyboard & mouse support. Where are you getting this information or an assumption that ME:A will not??? 4. The game would have to ship on a blu-ray disc. No one is going to ship a game on 4 DVDs in 2017, even for a console. Again, get with the times. 5. Did you ever think that the reason why Bioware doesn't want you to have access to 30 powers at once simply has to do with the fact that THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE 30 ****ING POWERS AT ONCE and not what you're playing on? I guess since fighting games don't have a designated button labeled "super ultra unstoppable 100-hit combo insta-kill" only because they don't have enough buttons on the controller so keyboard/Mouse users obviously get hosed because XXXXX company doesn't care about PC gamers.....and not because, you know, gameplay reasons.
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Post by jastall on Mar 8, 2017 21:57:53 GMT
I'm certain the entire company wakes up in the middle of the night for the mandatory Bioware PC User Hatred Minute, where they must hang a picture of a PC on the wall and yell insult at it, or face being laid off by the company.
If no picture of a computer available, it can be substituted for one of Gaben. They hate PC users that much.
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Post by Laughing_Crow on Mar 8, 2017 21:59:31 GMT
You'd think by now, console ports for the PC would be better optimized but they're not. I think that PC ports are usually very low on the priority list for games developed on consoles; the port is something that gets 'fixed' or tuned later in the release cycle, if at all. DRM is a far greater priority that most publishers feel compelled to install on PCs to 'deter' piracy. There's obviously enough sales for most games for publishers to port to the PC, but it's a lot safer and more cost-effective on consoles.
The PC ports and other game issues are often fixed by those wonderfully skilled modders that are part of the gaming community, who have added a lot to the gaming community that most game publishers can't even match. And I thank them all for their contribution and support when game companies drop the ball.
As a left-handed player, I usually wait a while before playing because the key-binding is often poorly done on release day (except for games like MMO's developed specifically for the PC).
While the original BioWare was gamer and mod friendly, EA has never shown any interest in supporting mods or the gaming community; just profit and DRM. At least BioWare still attracts and employs a lot of creative people.
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Post by Wulfram on Mar 8, 2017 22:05:04 GMT
The lack of DVDs is a shame. Though at least I can still order a code in a box rather than getting it online and get it for £10 cheaper.
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Post by Cirvante on Mar 8, 2017 22:14:44 GMT
My concern is that the game won't be optimized for M+KB because it's gonna be another console port (always optimize for the weakest hardware) and the devs are clearly console peasants who can't even play on PC without a controller. The video game shills "journalists" who get to release exclusive gameplay footage are peasants AND shit at video games.
I have yet to see gameplay footage where someone plays with M+KB, even though it's all on PC to make the graphics look better than they are on consoles.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 8, 2017 22:27:18 GMT
blah blah blah, console master race, blah blah blah
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 8, 2017 22:43:56 GMT
My concern is that the game won't be optimized for M+KB because it's gonna be another console port (always optimize for the weakest hardware) and the devs are clearly console peasants who can't even play on PC without a controller. The video game shills "journalists" who get to release exclusive gameplay footage are peasants AND shit at video games. I have yet to see gameplay footage where someone plays with M+KB, even though it's all on PC to make the graphics look better than they are on consoles. See, this is why nobody likes the PC people. They start off with concern about KB+M support, which could be valid, and then suddenly it's "peasants" this and "shills" that. I'm sure it will be fine. You really won't know until the game comes out, but I agree there shouldn't be an entirely different UI in the case of the powers access. Then again, the great and glorious PC Master Race can just mod their way out of anything, right?
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 8, 2017 22:47:48 GMT
If they really hated PC users they just wouldn't release it on PC. They design for all platforms at the same time to make sure the game works unlike messes like Arkham Knight where they dumped it on a third party studio to port at the last minute and just shove an unfinished port out the door.
As far as the "limited skills" you want them to have to balance the game twice for one people with controllers and once for people with keyboards and mice? I read that statement to be "why won't BioWare give PC players special treatment".
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 8, 2017 22:59:34 GMT
DVD's? Why not just poke tiny dots on stone plates? It's practically the same thing.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 8, 2017 23:06:10 GMT
They hate us PC gamers cuz we stole their girlfriends, ate the last hot pocket and drank all of the Mountain Dew. Yup, its all our own fault. Just gotta deal with it.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 8, 2017 23:21:05 GMT
First off, let's all calm the fuck down, yes? No need to be getting personal now. Second of all, as long as I have my nice power bar thing at the bottom and not that wheel abomination you console scrubs have apparently been using, I'll be fine.
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Post by Garo on Mar 8, 2017 23:25:45 GMT
Wait wooo, what? Like what do you mean no DVD? Like I will buy box version and there will be no disc? Or I'm not getting something here , please enlighten me.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 8, 2017 23:28:00 GMT
Wait wooo, what? Like what do you mean no DVD? Like I will buy box version and there will be no disc? Or I'm not getting something here , please enlighten me. Since 2016 EA no longer produces disk versions of their PC releases, when you buy the game at GameStop or Amazon you will get a CD Case with a key for Origin inside. Edit: At least for Region 1 releases.
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Post by malanek on Mar 8, 2017 23:28:05 GMT
I like the design for the number of skills and cooldown on profile change. I think that strikes a good balance between having a genuine reason to use multiple powers and not being completely broken by cycling through multiple combos.
I've preordered through Origin so it will come as a download but yeah I'm not sure why they are not releasing a physical version for those who want the disk, but why is this a console issue?
The interface? We haven't really had a chance to play around with it yet. My only real issue with the ME3 interface was the inability to change keys for multiplayer character kits (I imagine consoles would've liked that as well) and the messy journal (which I imagine console players would've liked changed as well).
I don't really see your point.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 8, 2017 23:30:24 GMT
I like the design for the number of skills and cooldown on profile change. I think that strikes a good balance between having a genuine reason to use multiple powers and not being completely broken by cycling through multiple combos. I've preordered through Origin so it will come as a download but yeah I'm not sure why they are not releasing a physical version for those who want the disk, but why is this a console issue? The interface? We haven't really had a chance to play around with it yet. My only real issue with the ME3 interface was the inability to change keys for multiplayer character kits (I imagine consoles would've liked that as well) and the messy journal (which I imagine console players would've liked changed as well). I don't really see your point. My belief and I could be wrong is that they are slowing down production of disk releases because they just might not sell that many to justify the cost and if the game is 40gigs in size that would be five DVDs versus one BluRay for consoles. If the case was that they didn't want the cost of producing a five disk release, have a BluRay release only for those that want a disk release even if it is just available at limited locations.
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Post by Garo on Mar 8, 2017 23:32:31 GMT
Wait wooo, what? Like what do you mean no DVD? Like I will buy box version and there will be no disc? Or I'm not getting something here , please enlighten me. Since 2016 EA no longer produces disk versions of their PC releases, when you buy the game at GameStop or Amazon you will get a CD Case with a key for Origin inside. Edit: At least for Region 1 releases. Wtf, what a stupid idea. I don't think this is a thing in Europe (I hope) but like why would I want a box version if not for the disc!? Downloading games is fine, but what is the point then for even making box editions. That's sooooo stuuupidddd.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 8, 2017 23:36:09 GMT
Since 2016 EA no longer produces disk versions of their PC releases, when you buy the game at GameStop or Amazon you will get a CD Case with a key for Origin inside. Edit: At least for Region 1 releases. Wtf, what a stupid idea. I don't think this is a thing in Europe (I hope) but like why would I want a box version if not for the disc!? Downloading games is fine, but what is the point then for even making box editions. That's sooooo stuuupidddd. Its not just EA doing this either, there have been reports of other games from other publishers doing the same thing as well. It would just be a key for the Steam release instead of Origin.
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