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Post by Nayawk on Mar 26, 2017 19:43:24 GMT
Very happy with that race, its really nice to see Merc being challenged by Ferrari, hopefully that performance continues through out the year. Bottas did well keeping up with Hamilton, wonder how much was 'hold station' or Hamilton managing the gap in those last 10 laps.
Excellent start to the racing year.
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Post by Part Time Ninja on Mar 26, 2017 22:51:45 GMT
Pretty devastated that it looks like we're in for another year of Alonso driving another awful Honda package. Seeing a driver of that class struggle so far down the order is not a pretty sight. Though, he is effortlessly cool doing so...
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Post by Fire Phoenix on Mar 28, 2017 9:06:35 GMT
What i at least hope for 2017 is that Mercedes is not so dominant anymore and that the fans will see more fights for first place. But silently i hope that Ferrari with Sebastian Vettel will win this year. I'm also for Ferrari and Seb and i hope he delivers this year because i've read that otherwise he could be replaced with someone else. But he won the first race so that's at least a big + and i hope many victories will follow this year.
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Post by Melra on Mar 28, 2017 13:07:14 GMT
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Post by Melra on Apr 15, 2017 16:43:14 GMT
Congrats to him and I remember last week after his mistake people were hoping he'd get fired from Mercedes due to his mistake. Hope the race will be interesting and there'll be more than just Mercedes fighting for the top 2 spots.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Apr 15, 2017 16:55:47 GMT
Glad that Bottas got pole. I don't think he'll convert it into a win tomorrow, but it'll be great if he does.
Also happy for Hulkenberg. Just over a second off in his Renault. Looks like it'll be a good car in his hands, although I can't really say the same for Palmer though. He'll be out of there by next year.
Unlucky for Sainz, too. I think he will do well this season.
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Post by Melra on Apr 17, 2017 18:22:14 GMT
Team fucks up their Finnish drivers strategies, seems to be a thing. "Let's put Kimi onto tyres that worked for Vettel, only at the end of the race after the damage is already done" and Bottas with the tyre pressures. Meh, it seems both teams are just pandering to Hamilton and Vettel.
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Post by Melra on Apr 29, 2017 20:44:32 GMT
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Post by Nayawk on Apr 30, 2017 20:58:20 GMT
well that was incredibly enjoyable... which is good because Russia is usually a bit of a snoozefest.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Apr 30, 2017 21:08:02 GMT
F-1 sucks since 2007. Ugly cars, shitty engine sounds, boring tracks, boring DRS. F-1 was amazing in the 70's 80's and 90's. Very little driver aid, sparks off the asphalt, pedal to the metal, hard classic tracks where 1 mistake means you're done.
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Post by Melra on May 2, 2017 16:06:07 GMT
F1 could be a lot better for sure, but I am not sure how long people would want to watch or come up with ways to further develop cars if they went with the same things that were used years earlier. I just hope the new owners will help new teams and people to have a chance to get into the sport and perform alright without hurting the big teams that much.
If I had to pick a favorite call of all time it'd be the 2005 McLaren MP4-20, if it only had been reliable, Kimi would have two Championships now for sure. But also the period in F1 was quite interesting, but with the new owners I have hope that in next few seasons things will get more interesting again, sadly by then my favorite driver will be long gone. I do wish there are new ones to take their place.
So far the new guys have been quite dull and seemingly overly hyped, outside of Verstappen.
Anyway this is what I initially came to post. I hope Vettel can keep this going, he and Hamilton can be quite the whiny babies or at least used to be back in the day. I hope they've matured up enough so they can keep the line they've been showing this season.
This interview did make me like Vettel quite a bit more.
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Post by Melra on Sept 3, 2017 10:06:57 GMT
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 3, 2017 19:41:08 GMT
F-1 sucks since 2007. Ugly cars, shitty engine sounds, boring tracks, boring DRS. F-1 was amazing in the 70's 80's and 90's. Very little driver aid, sparks off the asphalt, pedal to the metal, hard classic tracks where 1 mistake means you're done. Thats true for motor sports in general. The 80's had Turbo F1- cars with 1000 hp and real clutch and shifting, not to mention a beautiful design, but the same goes for Le Mans Endurance race cars with wonderfully designs which reached in excess of 400km/h on the un-neutered straights, and of course the Group-B rally cars with 500 hp, 4 wheel drive and mid mounted engines. Yes, the car nowadays ARE faster (at least in the corners) because they are more efficient in a lot of ways, but they are also incredibly boring, ugly and clean. We will never see something as cool, raw and brutal again as 80's / very early 90's racing.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 4, 2017 0:02:07 GMT
Yes, the car nowadays ARE faster (at least in the corners) because they are more efficient in a lot of ways, but they are also incredibly boring, ugly and clean. They are also a lot safer. As much as I miss the Group B and Group C era, I'd trade all that raw power and excitement for safety any day. F1 on the other hand had been butchered by Ecclestone in the last decade. Now that he's out of the picture, hopefully things will change for the best.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 4, 2017 0:15:14 GMT
Yes, the car nowadays ARE faster (at least in the corners) because they are more efficient in a lot of ways, but they are also incredibly boring, ugly and clean. They are also a lot safer. As much as I miss the Group B and Group C era, I'd trade all that raw power and excitement for safety any day. I wouldn't. Cars from the mid 80's to early 90's were already plenty safe, they just needed the HANS device and they would be good to go for modern racing. For example Group C had, if I remember correctly, three fatalities in over a decade of racing, and those fatalities were caused by accidents that would be pretty much unsurvivable with todays safety standards. For example Bellof slamming his 956 nearly head-on into a concrete bridge at over 300 km/h in Spa. Talking more about Group-C, since this is the racing series I know the most about, drivers in the Porsche 956, the 962, the Nissan Group-C's and various ISMA cars survived some pretty horrific crashes nearly unscathed. The aluminum sandwich chassis' and crash structures used back then were pretty damn solid, nowadays a similar constructed car with carbon chassis would be very safe. Now if we talk about 70's with cars without fuel bladders, using magnesium tube chassis and only TINY crash structures, then I'd totally agree with you. But not the mid 80's early 90's cars. Safety is great, but people are going way overboard with it lately. Heck, the introduction of the HALO device in F1 is a perfect example. It's reaching a point where it really starts to do damage to the sport and make it less interesting. For example, IMSA:
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 4, 2017 0:52:18 GMT
It's not only that. Modern aerodynamics and computers have also make the cars a lot safer and quicker.
Making a crazy amount of horsepower is actually the easy part. The real job of a race car is to be able to put all that power on the ground and make the most of it.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 4, 2017 1:03:02 GMT
It's not only that. Modern aerodynamics and computers have also make the cars a lot safer and quicker. Making a crazy amount of horsepower is actually the easy part. The real job of a race car is to be able to put all that power on the ground and make the most of it. Group-C cars created as much if not more down force 30 years ago. Todays endurance racing cars have very limited underwing / diffuser heights and very high ride heights, coupled with tiny rear wings. Back in the day diffuser tunnels were vastly larger and ride heights absolutely minimal, creating several thousand pounds of down force at only 100mph. Todays endurance race cars are faster mainly because tire technology made a HUGE jump in the past decades, cars have much more mechanical grip nowadays. Not to mention restricted engine specs, late Group C cars had 800-1000 hp because the only limit was fuel, todays LMP1 cars have around 550. Without the energy recovery system those cars would be outclassed by their 30 year old predecessors, especially if both were equipped with the same rubber. So to summarize it, Group-C and IMSA cars had nearly twice the horsepower, they were lighter, wider, had as much down force, higher top speeds, plus they looked spectacular. And people did not die left and right in those cars. *Edit* About the aerodynamics, the Nissan NPT1 91, an IMSA GTP cars downforce: High down force setting: 5192 lbs. @ 150 mph, with 1232 lbs. of drag 7477 lbs. @ 180 mph, with 1774 lbs. of drag 9231 lbs. @ 200 mph, with 2190 lbs. of drag Low downforce (low drag) setting: 4106 lbs. @ 150 mph, with 886 lbs. of drag 5913 lbs. @ 180 mph, with 1276 lbs. of drag 7300 lbs. @ 200 mph, with 1575 lbs. of drag
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 4, 2017 1:41:01 GMT
More downforce doesn't mean it's safer, it just means less efficient. The most important thing is it has to be aerodynamically stable.
Modern LMP1 cars also don't weigh much that much more than the Group C cars. Without the chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight, a Group C prototype could get a better laptime than an LMP1. But with them, a Group C would not stand a chance, modern tires or not.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Sept 4, 2017 11:20:50 GMT
More downforce doesn't mean it's safer, it just means less efficient. The most important thing is it has to be aerodynamically stable. Modern LMP1 cars also don't weigh much that much more than the Group C cars. Without the chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight, a Group C prototype could get a better laptime than an LMP1. But with them, a Group C would not stand a chance, modern tires or not. Well, you associated downforce with safety, I just provided some numbers to show that cars back in the day had, literally, tons of downforce. But yes, downforce does equal in some safety, in the late 60's and early 70's the Porsche 917 had a very low drag body but also very little down force, it was screaming down the straights with over 380 km/h but drivers were absolutely terrified because the cars got so light at those speeds they were twitching all over the road. And there have been accidents. They gradually added wings until the car was more controllable and safer to drive. Not to mention down force in wet conditions plays a very crucial role in racing safety. Modern LMP1 cars do weigh more than the late Group C cars. For example the 3L Group-C cars weighed in at only 750kg, while modern LMP1's have a minimum weight of 870kg. About the laptimes, I would not be so sure about that either, for example the Jaguar XJR-14 broke the Turbo Formula 1 lap records on several tracks in 1992, with modern rubber that car would be screaming. The Nissan R90CK reached 374 km/h on the straights in Le Mans WITH the chicanes, which is 34 km/h faster than LMP1's. Take away the energy recovery system and give both cars the same tires and the Group-C or IMSA cars would be as fast if not faster. The LMP1's would have the edge in slow corners because of their better mechanical grip but the Group-C would beat the LMP in both acceleration and top speed easily while equaling the LMP1's ability to take faster corners. For example thus Sauber-Mercedes C11 did a 2:05 in Spa during private practice, the Pole Position in 2016 with the Porsche 919 LMP1 with the energy recovery system AND modern super soft qualifying tires with HUGE manufacturer tech backing was 1:55. 10 seconds can be tires in Spa with its long flowing low speed corners. Take away the blasted energy recovery system too and the C11 would hunt down the Porsche 919 LMP1. And that car is freaking 26 years old.
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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Sept 4, 2017 17:29:35 GMT
Racing in F-1 is too safe, too reliable, cars and drivers are pretty much never pushed to their limits. They are canceling rain races. The tracks designed by Tilke and CO are too boring, make a mistake and you have plenty of room to come back like nothing happened.
Everything is too computerized, cars are controlled from the pits. Yawn.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 4, 2017 20:55:00 GMT
For example thus Sauber-Mercedes C11 did a 2:05 in Spa during private practice, the Pole Position in 2016 with the Porsche 919 LMP1 with the energy recovery system AND modern super soft qualifying tires with HUGE manufacturer tech backing was 1:55. 10 seconds can be tires in Spa with its long flowing low speed corners. Take away the blasted energy recovery system too and the C11 would hunt down the Porsche 919 LMP1. And that car is freaking 26 years old. 10 seconds is literally an eternity on a race track though. For a race track like Spa, I don't think you can make up 10 seconds by switching to modern soft tires. A Toyota TS050 did a 1:53.66 lap according to the official record and a 919 did a 1:53.76. So yeah, there is no way that a Group C car can ever keep up with a modern LMP1 in Circuit de la Sarthe nevermind Spa. The energy recovery systems do make up a lot of horsepower in those LMP1 Hybrid cars. If you take those away, it's like having going to a fight with one hand tied behind your back. You might as well run those Group C cars on only six cylinders to make it a fair test. Haha.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 4, 2017 21:31:28 GMT
Racing in F-1 is too safe, too reliable, cars and drivers are pretty much never pushed to their limits. They are canceling rain races. The tracks designed by Tilke and CO are too boring, make a mistake and you have plenty of room to come back like nothing happened. Everything is too computerized, cars are controlled from the pits. Yawn. I don't know about the "reliable" part. Just ask Alonso or even Max Verstappen. :dumb: Safety wise, you have to understand the mentality of the drivers first. They are risking anything to just be a bit quicker than anyone else, including their own lives. After what happened to Jules Bianchi in the 2014 Japanese Grand Prix, a lot of people would tell you that there really is no such thing as "too safe." Personally, I bitch and whine just as much as any of you do about FIA's nanny culture and F1 being "too boring." However, the drivers are still pushing their cars to the limit and it remains a very dangerous sport. As much as we hate it, we need to constantly improve the safety standards in order to protect the drivers especially from themselves as the motorsports evolve.
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Post by Melra on Mar 24, 2018 17:25:00 GMT
New season up this weekend and seems the tension is already on, well with everyone except Kimi who seems to be thinking of other things.
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