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Interesting tid bit...had they been using Alliance helmets, INSTEAD of Andromeda Initiative ones, both might have lived. Whoops...  Alec seems like a military dad. Been in the service for a long time, his wife proably raised the kids...he might not even know how to operate outside the military...but his last act shows that he DOES love his children. Though I agree, he may have died...or 'died', but his story is NOT over. I'm interested in this mystery that pertains to Ellen and Alec Ryder. Hope its big. Indeed, I thought I was the only one thinking that...so much exposed glass is crappy on a space suit (I know that our modern day space suits have that, but then again: We don't have space-pirates (and other criminals), mercenaries and explosions and local wild-life to content with in space, yet! If we did then I'd say NASA would quickly abondon those bulky suits they are currently using (or make them into a suit of powered combat armor!))...the regular Alliance armor makes more sense (same for N7 suits etc.) Yeah, I do hope so, too (I speculate that S.A.M. is modelled on Ellen Ryder's neural pathways (it would be the ultimate act of devotion to give his wife kind of a second life), like the AIs in Halo are, who are either based on dead people's neural pathways or on flash clones (clones that mature very very fast but don't live long - but then again: If all you need is a developed brain for the neural pathways, what do you care if the clone lives? (especially since you can't model an AI after a living genius without that, you can't kill the genius just for his or her neural pathways!)) So yeah, I hope this is important (I love how they explain Ryder's profiles (ok: It doesn't explain biotics if you were never a biotic before, but for all other things it kind of works! Hell, you could be an undiscovered or weak biotic and S.A.M. compensates so that your abilities become useful (!), kind of like a very very very advanced version of those biotic amps with the onboard VI (!)) greetings LAX The partI dont like about SAM is it takes away from you as the hero. It is like a Hero with a magic sword, that always uses the magic sword to win. At some point I am no longer the cool hero of the story, Im kust the person lucky enough to be plugged into SAM. Hey you are a world class fighter. No that is SAM. You seem the be really really smart. trained on a wide range of information. No that is SAM. Hey you are probably the best bioticIve ever seen. SAM. Crack shot.l? SAM. Excellent Engineer? SAM.... ok well you fly the ship pretty well I guess... still SAM... I got it! You are a great meat puppet for SAM! That I am. |
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Post by laxian on Mar 17, 2017 12:59:06 GMT
Hm...if I got those abilities out that I'd love to be paired with S.A.M. in RL  Also: S.A.M. only enhances what's already there (he's kind of a biotic-amp (one of those new ones in ME3 with the onboard VI - just better!) with some additional upgrades!) I bet S.A.M. will not tell you what to do, it advises and learns (and helps out when we truly needed, like translating an alien language on the fly (nothing a human mind could do, not even if you are a language savant!)), so your achievements are still your own (sure you'd be less of a badass without it, but then again: An N7 is less badass without his armor and gear, too so I see S.A.M. like an advanced armor or another piece of gear that gives us a huge advantage over others) greetings LAX |
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Mar 17, 2017 13:01:51 GMT
Interesting tid bit...had they been using Alliance helmets, INSTEAD of Andromeda Initiative ones, both might have lived. Whoops... Alec seems like a military dad. Been in the service for a long time, his wife proably raised the kids...he might not even know how to operate outside the military...but his last act shows that he DOES love his children. Though I agree, he may have died...or 'died', but his story is NOT over. I'm interested in this mystery that pertains to Ellen and Alec Ryder. Hope its big. Indeed, I thought I was the only one thinking that...so much exposed glass is crappy on a space suit (I know that our modern day space suits have that, but then again: We don't have space-pirates (and other criminals), mercenaries and explosions and local wild-life to content with in space, yet! If we did then I'd say NASA would quickly abondon those bulky suits they are currently using (or make them into a suit of powered combat armor!))...the regular Alliance armor makes more sense (same for N7 suits etc.) Yeah, I do hope so, too (I speculate that S.A.M. is modelled on Ellen Ryder's neural pathways (it would be the ultimate act of devotion to give his wife kind of a second life), like the AIs in Halo are, who are either based on dead people's neural pathways or on flash clones (clones that mature very very fast but don't live long - but then again: If all you need is a developed brain for the neural pathways, what do you care if the clone lives? (especially since you can't model an AI after a living genius without that, you can't kill the genius just for his or her neural pathways!)) So yeah, I hope this is important (I love how they explain Ryder's profiles (ok: It doesn't explain biotics if you were never a biotic before, but for all other things it kind of works! Hell, you could be an undiscovered or weak biotic and S.A.M. compensates so that your abilities become useful (!), kind of like a very very very advanced version of those biotic amps with the onboard VI (!)) greetings LAX Yeah, it was absolutely a design flaw. Most of the Alliance Helmets (save the Capacitor, which stated that it was plasti-armor, not glass) enclosed the head. Even the Recon Hood looks more durable (though Ryder's face would have been caved in from the blow). It also looks like the N7 has a breather over the mouth and nose, so even if the visor is damaged, you can still breathe. I guess they REALLY wanted to go the whole civilian/explorer route...yeah, good call Garson.  Yeah, I'm thinking along those lines. The workaholic, military dad who regretted not spending time with family modeling his AI after his dead wife? Yeah, I can see that happening. And then letting the AI and his child bond because he knows his time is up, and can't make up for where he went wrong? Hmmm...a theory, but a fun one. That WAS a good bit with the explanation. Possibly SAM can alter your physiology to allow you to use biotics...which, WOW, he's lucky he didn't just get discharged. What he's doing is something that Javik mentioned a previous race doing...with the AI taking over the host. If they could give you the powers of a super soldier/Biotic/Tech all at once? A whole new war would be fought...and you would see the worst of the races come out over it. Think if the STG got a hold of that...the Dalatrass? She'd take over! The Asari would suddenly be on the outs...and the Turians? Or the Batarians? How about Admiral Xen? There are a few grade A psychos we've met...if they got their hands on SAM and could make use of it...heck, isn't that BASICALLY what Harbinger used the Collectors for? BOOM...you're a Reaper. Let's hope Ryder IS a hero...and NOT a crazy...um...right? |
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Post by vyndral on Mar 17, 2017 16:19:40 GMT
Indeed, I thought I was the only one thinking that...so much exposed glass is crappy on a space suit (I know that our modern day space suits have that, but then again: We don't have space-pirates (and other criminals), mercenaries and explosions and local wild-life to content with in space, yet! If we did then I'd say NASA would quickly abondon those bulky suits they are currently using (or make them into a suit of powered combat armor!))...the regular Alliance armor makes more sense (same for N7 suits etc.) Yeah, I do hope so, too (I speculate that S.A.M. is modelled on Ellen Ryder's neural pathways (it would be the ultimate act of devotion to give his wife kind of a second life), like the AIs in Halo are, who are either based on dead people's neural pathways or on flash clones (clones that mature very very fast but don't live long - but then again: If all you need is a developed brain for the neural pathways, what do you care if the clone lives? (especially since you can't model an AI after a living genius without that, you can't kill the genius just for his or her neural pathways!)) So yeah, I hope this is important (I love how they explain Ryder's profiles (ok: It doesn't explain biotics if you were never a biotic before, but for all other things it kind of works! Hell, you could be an undiscovered or weak biotic and S.A.M. compensates so that your abilities become useful (!), kind of like a very very very advanced version of those biotic amps with the onboard VI (!)) greetings LAX Yeah, it was absolutely a design flaw. Most of the Alliance Helmets (save the Capacitor, which stated that it was plasti-armor, not glass) enclosed the head. Even the Recon Hood looks more durable (though Ryder's face would have been caved in from the blow). It also looks like the N7 has a breather over the mouth and nose, so even if the visor is damaged, you can still breathe. I guess they REALLY wanted to go the whole civilian/explorer route...yeah, good call Garson. Yeah, I'm thinking along those lines. The workaholic, military dad who regretted not spending time with family modeling his AI after his dead wife? Yeah, I can see that happening. And then letting the AI and his child bond because he knows his time is up, and can't make up for where he went wrong? Hmmm...a theory, but a fun one. That WAS a good bit with the explanation. Possibly SAM can alter your physiology to allow you to use biotics...which, WOW, he's lucky he didn't just get discharged. What he's doing is something that Javik mentioned a previous race doing...with the AI taking over the host. If they could give you the powers of a super soldier/Biotic/Tech all at once? A whole new war would be fought...and you would see the worst of the races come out over it. Think if the STG got a hold of that...the Dalatrass? She'd take over! The Asari would suddenly be on the outs...and the Turians? Or the Batarians? How about Admiral Xen? There are a few grade A psychos we've met...if they got their hands on SAM and could make use of it...heck, isn't that BASICALLY what Harbinger used the Collectors for? BOOM...you're a Reaper. Let's hope Ryder IS a hero...and NOT a crazy...um...right? Or SAM isnt crazy. It is shown fairly early on he can cripple you if he wants (here have a migraine), and make you see things that arent there (here watch this memory). Those two powers alone pretty much allow SAM to pretty much do whatever he wants with you. Oh Cora is getting in The way? Next fire fight she looks like a Kett problem solved. Dont get me wrong Im enjoying the game but when you sit down and think about SAM and what he can do to you id be freaking out as a Ryder. Id also be really phreaked out about having my mons or dads minds stuffed into my head. |
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Mar 17, 2017 16:29:56 GMT
Yeah, it was absolutely a design flaw. Most of the Alliance Helmets (save the Capacitor, which stated that it was plasti-armor, not glass) enclosed the head. Even the Recon Hood looks more durable (though Ryder's face would have been caved in from the blow). It also looks like the N7 has a breather over the mouth and nose, so even if the visor is damaged, you can still breathe. I guess they REALLY wanted to go the whole civilian/explorer route...yeah, good call Garson. Yeah, I'm thinking along those lines. The workaholic, military dad who regretted not spending time with family modeling his AI after his dead wife? Yeah, I can see that happening. And then letting the AI and his child bond because he knows his time is up, and can't make up for where he went wrong? Hmmm...a theory, but a fun one. That WAS a good bit with the explanation. Possibly SAM can alter your physiology to allow you to use biotics...which, WOW, he's lucky he didn't just get discharged. What he's doing is something that Javik mentioned a previous race doing...with the AI taking over the host. If they could give you the powers of a super soldier/Biotic/Tech all at once? A whole new war would be fought...and you would see the worst of the races come out over it. Think if the STG got a hold of that...the Dalatrass? She'd take over! The Asari would suddenly be on the outs...and the Turians? Or the Batarians? How about Admiral Xen? There are a few grade A psychos we've met...if they got their hands on SAM and could make use of it...heck, isn't that BASICALLY what Harbinger used the Collectors for? BOOM...you're a Reaper. Let's hope Ryder IS a hero...and NOT a crazy...um...right? Or SAM isnt crazy. It is shown fairly early on he can cripple you if he wants (here have a migraine), and make you see things that arent there (here watch this memory). Those two powers alone pretty much allow SAM to pretty much do whatever he wants with you. Oh Cora is getting in The way? Next fire fight she looks like a Kett problem solved. Dont get me wrong Im enjoying the game but when you sit down and think about SAM and what he can do to you id be freaking out as a Ryder. Id also be really phreaked out about having my mons or dads minds stuffed into my head. Oh...yikes...digital mom in your head and you are romancing a Turian...either YOU'LL be trying to rip the implant outta your head...or IT will be trying to claw its way out. AAAAANNNNDDDD...SAM is also connected to your team AND YOUR TWIN!!! Whelp, I'm off to the shower with bleach and a brillo pad! :sob:  |
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 18:08:26 GMT
At a time when humanity literally has no home, I wonder what his own motivations are for prioritizing the welfare of his own kid over his commitment to the Andromeda Initiative and tens of thousands of humans depending on him.
It's a moment that only a parent would truly understand and appreciate I think. A very human point in the story that is probably undervalued by some people here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 18:25:55 GMT
I don't think he's dead. You never see his body and when you ask Harry (the doctor that's helping Lexi with the wake up process in cryo) about how your dad died he is VERY reflective of the question. He out right refuses to give you any details into how it happened because he thinks you'd find it too hard to deal with. By the sounds of that reaction I believe that one of the theories above about the Kett potentially getting their hand on Alec's body must be pretty close to the mark. Ryder is a big boy/girl after all, Harry has very little reason to be so secretive unless their is something weird going on there.
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Post by allenspellwaver on Mar 18, 2017 20:03:08 GMT
Am I the only one thinking he might have arrived early? I mean there is a 14 months gap between the arrival of Nexus and Hyperion. What if Alec actually had been to Helius Cluster way before his children? This man is the biggest mystery so far in the game.
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Post by blanks on Mar 18, 2017 20:56:35 GMT
Everyone else can survive with breathing masks, why doesn't the lower half of the initiative helmet function as a breather? cqtm
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Post by Arcian on Mar 19, 2017 22:20:46 GMT
There's no way we don't see Alec again later in the game. Bioware designed the character creator so it directly affects Alec. This is also probably a big reason why the character creator is so limited. They wouldn't sacrifice some levels of freedom in the Character Creator just to kill off Alec at the very beginning. He's not dead No, it's not. DAII did the same thing with Hawke's family and it didn't limit the CC at all. Stop trying to excuse BioWare's ineptitude. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 23:12:01 GMT
There's no way we don't see Alec again later in the game. Bioware designed the character creator so it directly affects Alec. This is also probably a big reason why the character creator is so limited. They wouldn't sacrifice some levels of freedom in the Character Creator just to kill off Alec at the very beginning. He's not dead No, it's not. DAII did the same thing with Hawke's family and it didn't limit the CC at all. Stop trying to excuse BioWare's ineptitude. Agree completely. It doesn't justify in the least the CC being so limited because Alec is based on our presets, rather than our customization of the presets. You can change your face all you like, his face will still be the same (based on the preset), the hair will be the same, the skin color will be the same. The only thing to change is the eye color (to match your own). Bioware's reasoning to not implement and improve the Inquisition's CC is beyond me. What makes things worse is that they probably will never patch this up, because the way it's implemented, it would take massive resources and change basically every human NPC in the game, as they are made from the CC as well. At least, as I understand it. I sure as hell hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by dazk on Mar 19, 2017 23:41:03 GMT
Interesting tid bit...had they been using Alliance helmets, INSTEAD of Andromeda Initiative ones, both might have lived. Whoops... Alec seems like a military dad. Been in the service for a long time, his wife proably raised the kids...he might not even know how to operate outside the military...but his last act shows that he DOES love his children. Though I agree, he may have died...or 'died', but his story is NOT over. I'm interested in this mystery that pertains to Ellen and Alec Ryder. Hope its big. Indeed, I thought I was the only one thinking that...so much exposed glass is crappy on a space suit (I know that our modern day space suits have that, but then again: We don't have space-pirates (and other criminals), mercenaries and explosions and local wild-life to content with in space, yet! If we did then I'd say NASA would quickly abondon those bulky suits they are currently using (or make them into a suit of powered combat armor!))...the regular Alliance armor makes more sense (same for N7 suits etc.) Yeah, I do hope so, too (I speculate that S.A.M. is modelled on Ellen Ryder's neural pathways (it would be the ultimate act of devotion to give his wife kind of a second life), like the AIs in Halo are, who are either based on dead people's neural pathways or on flash clones (clones that mature very very fast but don't live long - but then again: If all you need is a developed brain for the neural pathways, what do you care if the clone lives? (especially since you can't model an AI after a living genius without that, you can't kill the genius just for his or her neural pathways!)) So yeah, I hope this is important (I love how they explain Ryder's profiles (ok: It doesn't explain biotics if you were never a biotic before, but for all other things it kind of works! Hell, you could be an undiscovered or weak biotic and S.A.M. compensates so that your abilities become useful (!), kind of like a very very very advanced version of those biotic amps with the onboard VI (!)) greetings LAX The Geth wouldn't have a window on a helmet, "windows are a structural weakness".  |
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Post by laxian on Mar 20, 2017 9:25:13 GMT
The Geth don't have or need a helmet in the first place (they don't have fleshy parts, they are a structural weakness after all, too  ^^) greetings LAX |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 15:29:09 GMT
I don't think he's dead. You never see his body and when you ask Harry (the doctor that's helping Lexi with the wake up process in cryo) about how your dad died he is VERY reflective of the question. He out right refuses to give you any details into how it happened because he thinks you'd find it too hard to deal with. By the sounds of that reaction I believe that one of the theories above about the Kett potentially getting their hand on Alec's body must be pretty close to the mark. Ryder is a big boy/girl after all, Harry has very little reason to be so secretive unless their is something weird going on there. Well, considering the end of the game, yeah, I'd say he's pretty dead. Until now, there isn't any hint that he might have survived, mainly because disconnecting with SAM kills you, as it was stated later in the game, and also soon after you wake up from the first mission. The funny part is, why didn't he, instead of giving his son/daughter his helmet, share it with them? They could have both survived, couldn't they? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 20:52:53 GMT
Feels like I should post this here too (from the other thread about Shepard): More HUGE spoilers, about Garson and the Initiative, Alec and Ellen: Garson didn't die in cryosleep. She was murdered. And she believed the people who helped her fund the Initiative were after her.
She admits she didn't have the money, and this mysterious benefactor was spooked and wanted to put 100.000 people in the Ai and leave the Milky Way.
She left a private message to be decoded containing everything she and Alec knew.
Alec has a conversation with Castin Vakarian (the father of Garrus, and also voiced by Brandon Keener, what a pleasant surprise!) and they talk about how Garrus and Shepard are right about the Reapers, that the Council officially denies their existence, but are starting to believe them. Alec then says if this all is true, the Initiative must be accelerated to escape the impending doom.
It still doesn't confirm the Benefactor is Cerberus, but it's mentioned they suspected the Reapers for years, Shepard just made it real. Similar to what the Illusive Man implied.
Ellen gets into cryosleep in the Hyperion using a different name, but Alec doesn't tell his kids about it. Mother is still alive, and those are the final words Alec says to Ryder before dying. She's alive, but they can't wake her up until they find a cure for her disease.
The people that know about the Reaper War in the Milky Way seems to believe that humanity has ended and the people in the Arks and Nexus are all that's left of their species.
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