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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2016 19:51:37 GMT
So as most of us are aware, (after all this place likely wouldn't exisist if they hand't made this decision), the official forums of BioWare are closing soon. I found out the news and was rather saddened by it, but in talking with other people on the BSN boards and even a few friends around here the reaction towards BioWare has been...curiously hostile. Curiously hostile? They nuked our community, nothing curious about it. I suppose I mispoke. It happens. I should have said curiously doom and gloom. IE the forum closing is evidence of some much larger calamity at BioWare then just a simple forum closing. And they aren't our forums. They are BioWare's. Or at least were BioWare's. They owned and operated them.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2016 19:53:28 GMT
I've only pre ordered three games in my life. 2 BioWare/ games, one other game. Each tiers 1, 2, and 3. So yeah going to as always, judge a Pre Order for its merits to decide whether or not I will do it. Heh actually just remembered I just pre ordered a fourth game, though does it count when the game is like 10 years old now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2016 20:01:49 GMT
I will probably wait and see how they've managed MP before I buy it. SP can go in the garbage if the MP is solid, but not vice versa, for me.
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 20:03:00 GMT
I was confused as you quoted a "conversation" I was having with OneWomanArmy. I asked her a question directly quoting her, and you jumped in and answered it. Weirdo. Pre-release footage of Aliens was gameplay -.- I take it you didn't watch the video? Whatever, a lot of what you are saying is making my brain hurt as to how stupid it is, so I'm just gonna step away now. Aaaaaaand here we go with this same old song and dance again, probably for the 20th time or so now. Any time I mention that pre-orders aren't bad, the person I'm talking to just backs away by belittling me and totally ignoring my points. It's cool though, you do you and all, just don't be such a fucking cunt in the future, okay? You know what? You used the word, "cunt", so I'll give you another chance... 1. You weren't even a part of this conversation. You answered a question I gave to another user when I directly quoted her. 2. You have offered nothing to back up your "points", whereas I have offered examples and a video to go over the basics of the negative aspects of pre-orders, so as not to write an essay on the egregious business practices being offered. You also stated falsehoods regarding pre-release footage of A:CM. [Mod Edit] removed personal attack Please, give some valid reasons as to why pre-ordering is a good thing.
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Post by o Ventus on Aug 18, 2016 20:11:59 GMT
Aaaaaaand here we go with this same old song and dance again, probably for the 20th time or so now. Any time I mention that pre-orders aren't bad, the person I'm talking to just backs away by belittling me and totally ignoring my points. It's cool though, you do you and all, just don't be such a fucking cunt in the future, okay? You know what? You used the word, "cunt", so I'll give you another chance... 1. You weren't even a part of this conversation. You answered a question I gave to another user when I directly quoted her. 2. You have offered nothing to back up your "points", whereas I have offered examples and a video to go over the basics of the negative aspects of pre-orders, so as not to write an essay on the egregious business practices being offered. You also stated falsehoods regarding pre-release footage of A:CM. 3. It's because of 1. and 2. that you are being belittled and rightly so, you whinging little quim forest. But sure, play the victim card. 4. You said you were in your "fan boy phase" when you pre-ordered ME3? Well, I am a rational human being, capable of making informed decisions. Please, give some valid reasons as to why pre-ordering is a good thing. It's a public forum, not a private conversation. I'll respond to whoever I feel like responding to, and to whatever topic interests me. And let's not pretend that you've gone to great lengths to explain your position, all you've done is post a video. I've at least laid out my own thoughts on the matter and haven't had to resort to vomiting up other people's words. "Victim card"? Buddy, you can call me whatever you want, I'm not going to stop you. I do think it's a little amusing how you call it the "victim card" after actually insulting me though, and how you now call yourself a "rational" human being after your first response to my initial post was topped off with an ad hominem. My position was never that pre-ordering was good, my position was that it is not *bad*. It's neither inherently good nor bad, unless the consumer doing the pre-ordering makes it good or bad. But you continue to condescend and presume you know what I think. Just make sure you don't fall off your high horse, I would hate for you to have to be stuck here with us simple peasants.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 20:14:13 GMT
Maybe I was too subtle. Knock off the personal attacks. Official (and final) warning.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Aug 18, 2016 20:21:00 GMT
A lot of times but I love gaming too much to not take the chance. I can't help it. I see it as an investment, they usually have a good value. If I end up getting disappointed then I can sell it in worst case scenario for the same price or even more if I wait a few months or years, it's nothing to cry about. In what world can you sell a used game for more or the same price? In the world of EBay Lol I've done that plenty of times xD Btw, sorry for late reply between quotes, I'm playing me3 mp, so that's why
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 20:32:44 GMT
It's a public forum, not a private conversation. I'll respond to whoever I feel like responding to, and to whatever topic interests me. And let's not pretend that you've gone to great lengths to explain your position, all you've done is post a video. I've at least laid out my own thoughts on the matter and haven't had to resort to vomiting up other people's words. "Victim card"? Buddy, you can call me whatever you want, I'm not going to stop you. I do think it's a little amusing how you call it the "victim card" after actually insulting me though, and how you now call yourself a "rational" human being after your first response to my initial post was topped off with an ad hominem. My position was never that pre-ordering was good, my position was that it is not *bad*. It's neither inherently good nor bad, unless the consumer doing the pre-ordering makes it good or bad. But you continue to condescend and presume you know what I think. Just make sure you don't fall off your high horse, I would hate for you to have to be stuck here with us simple peasants. It's a public forum, yes. But as I've clarified several times now, I was quoting someone directly and you replied to it like I was asking you the question and quoting you. I've given the reason for posting the video. As for me apparently insulting you first and your own thoughts.. your own thoughts on the matter were baffling and deserved to be called stupid, considering you said you were a fan boy at the time. Pre-ordering very clearly is bad, but it's fine if people want to do it. I never stated otherwise. [ModEdit: personal attack removed]
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 20:35:10 GMT
In what world can you sell a used game for more or the same price? In the world of EBay Lol I've done that plenty of times xD Btw, sorry for late reply between quotes, I'm playing me3 mp, so that's why I question your ebay logic No problem. Someone quoted on your behalf
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Post by only1biggs on Aug 18, 2016 20:36:32 GMT
Maybe I was too subtle. Knock off the personal attacks. Official (and final) warning. What personal attacks? I don't feel attacked
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Aug 18, 2016 20:38:30 GMT
In the world of EBay Lol I've done that plenty of times xD Btw, sorry for late reply between quotes, I'm playing me3 mp, so that's why I question your ebay logic No problem. Someone quoted on your behalf Hey it's true!!! And nooooooo a banshee just grabbed me because I lol'ed so hard of your comment here!!! I was in the lead and now I'm gonna be in the bottom Dammitttttt
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 18, 2016 20:42:25 GMT
Welp, looks like an enforced break was in order...
In case it's not clear: Insulting other users repeatedly while ignoring moderator warnings leads to temporary vacations.
Now let's all please move on.
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Post by dalinne on Aug 18, 2016 21:03:17 GMT
I'm really hurt with Bioware for closing the forums. It felt like some sort of betrayal ( being a little bit dramatic and over the top ) However, I won't stop buying the game just for that. I will stop buying it if the game is bad, uninspired and hollow. I will hate Bioware (as a company, not its workers of course) but I will never hate Mass Effect. Even if Andromeda is bad, I will simply remove the game from my memory and I will stop buying Bioware's games so on. But probably I will replay the trilogy once more.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Aug 18, 2016 21:08:30 GMT
I could never not buy a Mass Effect game, warts and all it's still my favourite game franchise. Corporate BioWare's disdain for their loyal customers has cost them their spot on my "pre-order is terrible, but these guys get a pass" list. That list now consists of CDPR.
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Post by Kantr on Aug 18, 2016 21:19:21 GMT
I've pre-ordered two games. DA:I and The Witcher 3. Both games I was happy with (although I'm probably going to pre-order Mafia 3 and Dishonored 2 [if I find them cheaper]) I won't pre-order ME:A but neither will I stop buying Bioware games (as long they are good). Closing the forums is an act of stupidity but Bioware have since the days of Chris acted stupidly about their own community. Now they're closing the forums and letting a company ban people for talking about moderation.
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Post by mybudgee on Sept 3, 2016 6:22:58 GMT
I've been boycotting EA/Biower since March of 2012
Almost as long as my ban of Wal-Mart
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Post by straykat on Sept 3, 2016 9:43:56 GMT
BSN wasn't a big deal to me. DAI + the lack of the Doctors and other alumni is already enough reason to lose faith in them. While their current spokesman and leads annoy me (especially Flynn and Weekes). It's just not the same company.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 12:39:45 GMT
The BSN closing was the "straw that broke the camel's back" for me, which is ironic because not long before the big announcement I was taking a hiatus cause I was sick of the petty bs and the same recycled topics over and over, which would have been okay and not so annoying if the forum didn't have a pack of delusional power hungry retards for a moderating team. One could argue that this isn't BioWare's fault but hey, somebody signed off on employing these imbeciles. Additionally, I'm so over DAI and there's no way it lives up to (Imo) DAO/2 and the ME trilogy. I used to get excited for a BioWare title and now I'm just.. Meh. The good thing is, I've branched out and discovered other, better games. Actually this probably applies to all AAA games. I'm not really excited for them anyway because they end up being like my ex - looks good, but boring to play.
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Post by PATPATPATlol on Sept 3, 2016 18:04:31 GMT
The forums closing will not dictate whether or not I boycott Bioware in general. Shitty games will however.
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Post by mybudgee on Sept 3, 2016 18:25:24 GMT
The BSN closing was the "straw that broke the camel's back" for me, which is ironic because not long before the big announcement I was taking a hiatus cause I was sick of the petty bs and the same recycled topics over and over, which would have been okay and not so annoying if the forum didn't have a pack of delusional power hungry retards for a moderating team. One could argue that this isn't BioWare's fault but hey, somebody signed off on employing these imbeciles. Additionally, I'm so over DAI and there's no way it lives up to (Imo) DAO/2 and the ME trilogy. I used to get excited for a BioWare title and now I'm just.. Meh. The good thing is, I've branched out and discovered other, better games. Actually this probably applies to all AAA games. I'm not really excited for them anyway because they end up being like my ex - looks good, but boring to play.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 3, 2016 19:39:27 GMT
The forums closing will not dictate whether or not I boycott Bioware in general. Shitty games will however. This, Bioware standards have been dropping for a while now. I will wait and see what MEA looks like before I decide whether to buy it or not. Im definitely not going to preorder though
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Post by House Targaryen on Sept 3, 2016 20:53:20 GMT
I can't boycott Bioware, I need to find out what happens to Inky and Solas when DA4 comes out.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Sept 3, 2016 22:30:37 GMT
I'm not going to pretend I am happy about them closing the forum, but it will take a lot more for me to boycott them. As long as they keep on making games I find fun and interesting I will buy them (although probably not day one, but that is mostly because I want to play the game after the most annoying bugs have been fixed - and yes, I wish there were no big bugs on release, but that's the way with most games it seems).
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Post by Nightman on Sept 3, 2016 23:42:26 GMT
Im not going to officially boycott, but yes, I am. Pre-order for ME:A cancelled... Im going to wait for it to be in some bargain bin at like a gamestop for around 20 bucks...I will not buy DLC ever again from them. Which sucks cuz I just played DAO for the 1st time this past week and I liked it so much that I am ordering part 2 tomorrow...but its from amazon for $3...so technically, that in-itself is a protest against bioware.
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Post by crusty on Sept 3, 2016 23:47:53 GMT
Pre-ordering as a practice isn't inherently bad, but it also serves no practical purpose anymore. With the cost of physical production so low, as well as the digital market to make supply virtually limitless, the reason to pre-order is to demonstrate blind brand loyalty. And it's through that, publishers can then start to justifying nickel and diming the consumer through pre order DLC and the like. Because they know there is a large enough audience to swallow it up.
It's not inherently bad, but I can't ever recommend it for AAA where core development budget itself is not affected by the number of pre-orders. It has no potential upside and a heap of potential downsides. Might be a different case in the Indie scene.
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