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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 20, 2017 17:54:06 GMT
In Heroes of Dragon Age, your characters belong to different groups. For instance, Grey Warden Alistair belongs to Templars, Ferelden, Nobility, Wardens and Warriors. These are useful for certain bonuses in Multiplayer. One of the groups the Architect is listed as belonging to is "Tevinter." Just thought it was interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:19:18 GMT
Well he is one of the original 7 Magisters so that would make sense
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 20, 2017 21:01:56 GMT
Mind you they have never categorically confirmed that he was one of the 7 but it just seems certain that he must be. The thing that seems odd now though is how he claimed to know nothing of his origins, like he had suffered from amnesia, whereas Corypheus might have been a bit confused when first released from the Grey Warden prison but he pretty soon got his memory back and knew precisely who he was.
When I read the Canticle of Silence, naming the titles of the various high priests of the old gods, I thought it was rather ironic that the Architect of Beauty was the high priest of Urthemiel and it was through trying to waken his god that the Architect unintentionally started the 5th Blight. However, may be that is how each of the previous ones was woken up, when their high priest sought them out, without perhaps knowing why they were doing it. Corypheus was apparently drawn to the corpse of Dumat, which is how the Grey Wardens managed to capture him, so who is to say he didn't originally awaken Dumat from his prison.
What has always seemed odd to me is that the intelligent darkspawn (former Magisters) were only discovered after the 1st Blight had ended, as though they played no part in the actual fighting, even though it lasted 200 years. So what were they doing between invading the Golden/Black City and confronting the Wardens after the 1st Blight?
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 20, 2017 21:19:51 GMT
Mind you they have never categorically confirmed that he was one of the 7 but it just seems certain that he must be. The thing that seems odd now though is how he claimed to know nothing of his origins, like he had suffered from amnesia, whereas Corypheus might have been a bit confused when first released from the Grey Warden prison but he pretty soon got his memory back and knew precisely who he was. A key difference between the Architect and Corypheus is that the latter spent centuries sleeping, locked away in a Grey Warden prison. The Architect apparently spent all that time conscious and residing in the Deep Roads, searching for a way to free his brethren from the song. Much like Shale, it's likely that his mind has deteriorated to the point where he no longer remembers who he is.
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Post by shroomofdoom on Apr 1, 2017 14:26:52 GMT
Mind you they have never categorically confirmed that he was one of the 7 but it just seems certain that he must be. The thing that seems odd now though is how he claimed to know nothing of his origins, like he had suffered from amnesia, whereas Corypheus might have been a bit confused when first released from the Grey Warden prison but he pretty soon got his memory back and knew precisely who he was. When I read the Canticle of Silence, naming the titles of the various high priests of the old gods, I thought it was rather ironic that the Architect of Beauty was the high priest of Urthemiel and it was through trying to waken his god that the Architect unintentionally started the 5th Blight. However, may be that is how each of the previous ones was woken up, when their high priest sought them out, without perhaps knowing why they were doing it. Corypheus was apparently drawn to the corpse of Dumat, which is how the Grey Wardens managed to capture him, so who is to say he didn't originally awaken Dumat from his prison. What has always seemed odd to me is that the intelligent darkspawn (former Magisters) were only discovered after the 1st Blight had ended, as though they played no part in the actual fighting, even though it lasted 200 years. So what were they doing between invading the Golden/Black City and confronting the Wardens after the 1st Blight? Eating one another, presumably, if that dwarven tale is anything to go by! I wonder if we will see the architect again at some point, if he was spared. And considering the soul jumping, even if he wasn't. Didn't much like him myself, despite the cultured civility, which is usually a winning trait to my PC's. I'm kinda hoping the other darkspawn magisters are raving idiots at this point as both the Architect and Cory were abit.. underwhleming.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 23:44:32 GMT
Gaider confirmed the Architect was one of the Magisters before DAI even came out. I don't have a quote but I remember him doing so. Seems pretty obvious anyway.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 2, 2017 1:20:45 GMT
Mind you they have never categorically confirmed that he was one of the 7 but it just seems certain that he must be. The thing that seems odd now though is how he claimed to know nothing of his origins, like he had suffered from amnesia, whereas Corypheus might have been a bit confused when first released from the Grey Warden prison but he pretty soon got his memory back and knew precisely who he was. A key difference between the Architect and Corypheus is that the latter spent centuries sleeping, locked away in a Grey Warden prison. The Architect apparently spent all that time conscious and residing in the Deep Roads, searching for a way to free his brethren from the song. Much like Shale, it's likely that his mind has deteriorated to the point where he no longer remembers who he is. I think this theory is false. Corypheus and the Architect are biologically immortal,their bodies do not Age and the same is for their minds and brains,also Corypheus was free for quite a lot of time before he was put into the prison,which you have no way to prove was able to freeze his lifespawn.His Amnesia can have better explanations: The Architect was lying about not remembering anything simply because he did not wanted for anyone to know about his past,afterall he was hiding the fact that he had found Urthemiel until the Mother forced him to admit that. The Architect hit his head really hard on the deeproads and so he forgot about his past. When the writers made DAA they had no idea wheter they wanted for him to be one of the 7 or not,in fact in the calling which is his first appearence he was described as a regular but talking darkspawn emissary and he didn't still had the features with whom was depicted in DAA.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 2, 2017 1:32:59 GMT
Gaider confirmed the Architect was one of the Magisters before DAI even came out. I don't have a quote but I remember him doing so. Seems pretty obvious anyway. Gaider has Amnesia. He doesn't remember half of the things he write or say in regard of DA.In the Calling he described the Architect as an emissary of Darkspawns,but then he gave to him peculiar features in DAA which were entirely different from the the design of the emissaries of Darkspawns of DAO and more similiar to those strange darkspawns near to Corypheus in DA2. Years later he claimed the Architect to be like Corypheus....despite him being not provided with the same abilities Corypheus had...if he is like Corypheus then he should be able to body jump like him given the fact that they both went into the Black city.I expected he was at least inside the bodies of those HoF who killed him in DAA.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 2, 2017 1:43:15 GMT
A key difference between the Architect and Corypheus is that the latter spent centuries sleeping, locked away in a Grey Warden prison. The Architect apparently spent all that time conscious and residing in the Deep Roads, searching for a way to free his brethren from the song. Much like Shale, it's likely that his mind has deteriorated to the point where he no longer remembers who he is. I think this theory is false. Corypheus and the Architect are biologically immortal,their bodies do not Age and the same is for their minds and brains. If you've been alive and awake for dozens of lifetimes, isn't it conceivable that you would forget your first one?
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Post by oyabun on Apr 2, 2017 1:52:46 GMT
I think this theory is false. Corypheus and the Architect are biologically immortal,their bodies do not Age and the same is for their minds and brains. Yeah, but they still accumulate memories. The Architect has been down in the Deep Roads for a thousand-plus years; I don't think it's a stretch to think that he just forgot who he was. The Architect has never confirmed to have been awake for all of those years,nobody knows what he was doing before the calling,but even if he was explain why being in the deep roads for a thousands of years should erease memories?If Solas didn't lost his memories after all the time he had spent in the fade(probably he has 3 or 4 times the Age of the Architect) and if Old Gods who by now have spent quite a lot of time in the deeproads did not lost their memories ,i don't think we should believe that long period of times do erease memories.Either he was lying or Gaider didn't cared to explain his situation.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 2, 2017 1:58:09 GMT
Look, do you remember every detail of your childhood? Now imagine if you were alive for a thousand years, living in dark tunnels and surrounded by monsters that communicate with each other via snarls and grunts. No one ever mentions your name or what you did prior to becoming a darkspawn. Isn't it just possible you might forget a few things, even if they were fairly important?
Also, a key difference between Solas and the Architect is that Solas was asleep for all this time. His mind wandered the Fade, but that's it.
His exact words from Trespasser:
"I lay in dark and dreaming sleep as countless wars and ages passed. I woke still weak a year before I joined you."
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Post by oyabun on Apr 2, 2017 3:14:40 GMT
Look, do you remember every detail of your childhood? Now imagine if you were alive for a thousand years, living in dark tunnels and surrounded by monsters that communicate with each other via snarls and grunts. No one ever mentions your name or what you did prior to becoming a darkspawn. Isn't it just possible you might forget a few things, even if they were fairly important? And?What does that even mean? I do remember my name and I will remember it even in the hypotetical scenario of being able to live a thousand years just like Flemeth who was around since the time of the second blight remember most of the things about her past,also Caridin and Felassan and that immortal guy who whished immortality from Yavana. The Architect is not a title he gave to himself,Urthemiel gave it to him a thousand of years before the DA since he was his high priest and he still remember it.It's no wonder why he went to search this old god instead of looking for any other,better you reconsider the more plausibile hypotesis that he has just lied about this amnesia.
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Post by Prince on Apr 2, 2017 3:28:11 GMT
The Architect being interested to find the same Old God of whom he was the great priest in Tevinter...it's way to suspicious,I don't think is just a coincidence,I don't think he forgot who he was.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 15:04:08 GMT
Gaider confirmed the Architect was one of the Magisters before DAI even came out. I don't have a quote but I remember him doing so. Seems pretty obvious anyway. Gaider has Amnesia. He doesn't remember half of the things he write or say in regard of DA.In the Calling he described the Architect as an emissary of Darkspawns,but then he gave to him peculiar features in DAA which were entirely different from the the design of the emissaries of Darkspawns of DAO and more similiar to those strange darkspawns near to Corypheus in DA2. Years later he claimed the Architect to be like Corypheus....despite him being not provided with the same abilities Corypheus had...if he is like Corypheus then he should be able to body jump like him given the fact that they both went into the Black city.I expected he was at least inside the bodies of those HoF who killed him in DAA. So what exactly is the Architect then? He was dressed in a manner very similar to Cory and suffered uniquely bizzare deformities similar to Corypheus and considers the Darkspawn his people, but somehow you think they're not related? The Magisters were different people worshipping different dragon gods (initially) so it stands to reason their powers would be different, and as far as the body hopping to other darkspawn goes, Morrigan says in the game there is no proximity limit on that power. As far as the memory thing is concerned, the Magisters that broke into the Golden City clearly suffered something very traumatic, as indicated by both Corypheus and the Architect's appearance, so the memory loss is probably related to that. Different minds react to trauma differently so that could be why one had amnesia while the other didn't. Besides, I could have sworn there was something in WoT2 that confirmed the Architect was one of the 7.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 2, 2017 18:02:27 GMT
WoT Volume 2 references the titles of the seven high priests who entered the Golden City. Urthemiel's high priest was the Architect of Beauty.
Oyabun is likely correct that when DG wrote The Calling, the Architect was just an intelligent emissary. But by the time of Awakening, they'd clearly settled on the idea that he was one of the Seven, since he looks more human than darkspawn. He even drops the Vestments of Urthemiel when you defeat him.
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Post by shroomofdoom on Apr 3, 2017 6:46:25 GMT
Gaider has Amnesia. He doesn't remember half of the things he write or say in regard of DA.In the Calling he described the Architect as an emissary of Darkspawns,but then he gave to him peculiar features in DAA which were entirely different from the the design of the emissaries of Darkspawns of DAO and more similiar to those strange darkspawns near to Corypheus in DA2. Years later he claimed the Architect to be like Corypheus....despite him being not provided with the same abilities Corypheus had...if he is like Corypheus then he should be able to body jump like him given the fact that they both went into the Black city.I expected he was at least inside the bodies of those HoF who killed him in DAA. So what exactly is the Architect then? He was dressed in a manner very similar to Cory and suffered uniquely bizzare deformities similar to Corypheus and considers the Darkspawn his people, but somehow you think they're not related? The Magisters were different people worshipping different dragon gods (initially) so it stands to reason their powers would be different, and as far as the body hopping to other darkspawn goes, Morrigan says in the game there is no proximity limit on that power. As far as the memory thing is concerned, the Magisters that broke into the Golden City clearly suffered something very traumatic, as indicated by both Corypheus and the Architect's appearance, so the memory loss is probably related to that. Different minds react to trauma differently so that could be why one had amnesia while the other didn't.Besides, I could have sworn there was something in WoT2 that confirmed the Architect was one of the 7. I too suspect that most if not all of the magisters, suffered some degree of identity loss, immediately after their corruption. It's not hard to imagine that something as terrible as the blight, could seriously occlude ones mind. I head canon it, that the magisters each regained their memories, over time, at varying paces, dependant on their circumstances. The architect may have some memories of his mortal life, or he may have chosen to disregard any residual memories of a mortal life no longer relevant to his new existance, and simply chose to ignore what shreds of identity from that life remained in favour of building an identity that held relevance to his current state. In such a way, the mortal memories of his life may remain lost to him on a concious level, influencing his actions only sub-consciously, hence the reason he sought out Urthemial (his former patron deity) over any other, without really understanding why. I always got the impression, that the Architect is pretty much making it up as he goes along.
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