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Post by alanc9 on Jan 2, 2018 21:07:43 GMT
I never saw the point in throwing dozens of hours into finding mods just to make a game tolerable. Wouldn't I be better off using those hours playing a game I already like? Different strokes for different folks. It's a kind of tinkering that is popular with a lot of people, including me. That said, I only get out Skyrim to tinker with like maybe once a year. Hmmm... OK, right. I see searching for and installing mods as a chore, so it's a straight-up cost to me.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 2, 2018 21:32:53 GMT
I'm not a gamedev, but I think it stems from the fact that building a 'moddable' engine is in itself complicated and expensive, aside form all the licensing issues. The Creation Engine (based on Gamebryo) worked well enough for Skyrim, but has already shown significant limitations in Fallout 4. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if TESVI took its time not just because of other IP's, but 'cause they're focused on creating new engine for it. I don’t think that’s the whole story. After all, the dev team and QA teams have to have tools for developing the game in the first place. So it can’t be purely a complexity or cost issue. I think it has more to do with control. If the dev is okay with letting modders have the same level of access as level designers on the dev team, they just release the tools and off we go. Since that almost never happens, it means devs don’t want to give up that much control over the game. It could be because of third party license restrictions, or it could be that they don’t want some jagoff to steal their ip and post a reskinned ripoff on steam or alibaba. True, with asset-flipping being rampant on places like Steam it's not crazy to think someone would use the devs' goodwill against them. Still, we didn't see things like that happening with Skyrim or Oblivion. If anything, people who created pretty much entirely new games out of them usually make it clear that those are freely-available passion projects.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 2, 2018 21:37:39 GMT
John Epler @eplerjc So, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning.
Both the beginning of the game, but also the beginning of the Inquisition. From humble beginnings, and back to the basics. Because the Inquisition had become too large for you to properly control.
Hrungr @hrungry Admittedly, I wasn't sure where that scene in the end was set either. I thought Haven had been wiped out by the avalanche and this was some new secret base, just using some of the same art assets.
John Epler @eplerjc Haven -was- mostly wiped out. But what better place to start again in secret than somewhere everyone thought was destroyed? Ideally, I would've liked a scene of your small group finding the way back in and a few 'cleanup' shots.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 2, 2018 22:09:11 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning. Both the beginning of the game, but also the beginning of the Inquisition. From humble beginnings, and back to the basics. Because the Inquisition had become too large for you to properly control. Hrungr @hrungryAdmittedly, I wasn't sure where that scene in the end was set either. I thought Haven had been wiped out by the avalanche and this was some new secret base, just using some of the same art assets. John Epler @eplerjcHaven -was- mostly wiped out. But what better place to start again in secret than somewhere everyone thought was destroyed? Ideally, I would've liked a scene of your small group finding the way back in and a few 'cleanup' shots. So, i'm confused the ending of Trespasser or the ending of the vanilla game?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 2, 2018 22:10:31 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning. Both the beginning of the game, but also the beginning of the Inquisition. From humble beginnings, and back to the basics. Because the Inquisition had become too large for you to properly control. Hrungr @hrungryAdmittedly, I wasn't sure where that scene in the end was set either. I thought Haven had been wiped out by the avalanche and this was some new secret base, just using some of the same art assets. John Epler @eplerjcHaven -was- mostly wiped out. But what better place to start again in secret than somewhere everyone thought was destroyed? Ideally, I would've liked a scene of your small group finding the way back in and a few 'cleanup' shots. I was pretty sure that was Haven though you brought up a good point about the avalanche.
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Post by Kymira on Jan 2, 2018 22:11:23 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning. Both the beginning of the game, but also the beginning of the Inquisition. From humble beginnings, and back to the basics. Because the Inquisition had become too large for you to properly control. Hrungr @hrungryAdmittedly, I wasn't sure where that scene in the end was set either. I thought Haven had been wiped out by the avalanche and this was some new secret base, just using some of the same art assets. John Epler @eplerjcHaven -was- mostly wiped out. But what better place to start again in secret than somewhere everyone thought was destroyed? Ideally, I would've liked a scene of your small group finding the way back in and a few 'cleanup' shots. So, i'm confused the ending of Trespasser or the ending of the vanilla game? Trespasser. The scene where your Inquisitor murders the map with a dagger.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 2, 2018 22:13:37 GMT
So, i'm confused the ending of Trespasser or the ending of the vanilla game? Trespasser. The scene where your Inquisitor murders the map with a dagger. Oh that was Haven? I always assumed that was at the Winter Palace, because you had the same gear on and everything.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 2, 2018 22:15:37 GMT
So, i'm confused the ending of Trespasser or the ending of the vanilla game? Trespasser. The scene where your Inquisitor murders the map with a dagger. Books and maps are not safe in Thedas it seems.
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Post by Kymira on Jan 2, 2018 22:20:35 GMT
Trespasser. The scene where your Inquisitor murders the map with a dagger. Oh that was Haven? I always assumed that was at the Winter Palace, because you had the same gear on and everything. Yep! If you watch closely it starts out very similar to the scene where your character is being interrogated by Cass and Lel at the beginning of the game.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 2, 2018 22:20:56 GMT
So, i'm confused the ending of Trespasser or the ending of the vanilla game? Trespasser. The scene where your Inquisitor murders the map with a dagger. Me realizing that was Haven all this time...
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 2, 2018 22:42:36 GMT
Oh that was Haven? I always assumed that was at the Winter Palace, because you had the same gear on and everything. Yep! If you watch closely it starts out very similar to the scene where your character is being interrogated by Cass and Lel at the beginning of the game. So when Inky and crew are looking at the Horizon as the ending shot with love interest that was Haven right? Not Winter Palace?
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Post by Gilli on Jan 2, 2018 22:46:52 GMT
Yep! If you watch closely it starts out very similar to the scene where your character is being interrogated by Cass and Lel at the beginning of the game. So when Inky and crew are looking at the Horizon as the ending shot with love interest that was Haven right? Not Winter Palace? No, that is the Winter Palace Winter Palace: Haven
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 2, 2018 22:47:33 GMT
Yep! If you watch closely it starts out very similar to the scene where your character is being interrogated by Cass and Lel at the beginning of the game. So when Inky and crew are looking at the Horizon as the ending shot with love interest that was Haven right? Not Winter Palace? No, that's the Winter Palace. 😊 When your Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana, and Scout Harding (and your Inquisitor's love interest.... unless it was Solas) meet in a dungeon-like place to plan how to handle Solas - after the Trespasser epilogue slides - that is Haven.
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Post by Avejajed on Jan 2, 2018 22:54:48 GMT
So when Inky and crew are looking at the Horizon as the ending shot with love interest that was Haven right? Not Winter Palace? No, that's the Winter Palace. 😊 When your Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana, and Scout Harding (and your Inquisitor's love interest.... unless it was Solas) meet in a dungeon-like place to plan how to handle Solas - after the Trespasser epilogue slides - that is Haven. Really? I only ever romance Cullen and Solas, but whoever the inky romanced is there too?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 2, 2018 22:55:14 GMT
Yep! If you watch closely it starts out very similar to the scene where your character is being interrogated by Cass and Lel at the beginning of the game. So when Inky and crew are looking at the Horizon as the ending shot with love interest that was Haven right? Not Winter Palace? If that's the scene I'm thinking of that's before the epilogue slides and that's at the Winter Palace.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 2, 2018 23:10:29 GMT
Really? I only ever romance Cullen and Solas, but whoever the inky romanced is there too? Yes. If you lock their romance, they're there.
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Post by blighted on Jan 2, 2018 23:21:04 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning. Both the beginning of the game, but also the beginning of the Inquisition. From humble beginnings, and back to the basics. Because the Inquisition had become too large for you to properly control. Hrungr @hrungryAdmittedly, I wasn't sure where that scene in the end was set either. I thought Haven had been wiped out by the avalanche and this was some new secret base, just using some of the same art assets. John Epler @eplerjcHaven -was- mostly wiped out. But what better place to start again in secret than somewhere everyone thought was destroyed? Ideally, I would've liked a scene of your small group finding the way back in and a few 'cleanup' shots. Oh, that would have been awesome and would have cleared some confusion. But at least the scene we got was still very effective regardless. I always sorta assumed the little wooden Haven buildings would have been destroyed, but that the chantry and its undercroft would be partially left intact. The very base of the chantry if nothing else. Going back would be a good idea, and I like the reasoning behind why we did. It's little things like this that make up a much larger picture.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 2, 2018 23:36:00 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcHaven -was- mostly wiped out. But what better place to start again in secret than somewhere everyone thought was destroyed? It would probably be a good place, if the last person in the narrative who mentioned Haven and said that "it will always be important for you" (after Inky asked 'why here?') was the guy we're now trying to stop - it's even more amusing when we hear how Leliana tells the rest that Solas has the upper hand, because of how much he knows about Inquisition and its members, and Inky proposes a plan to circumvent that knowledge by finding those he doesn't know about in a far-away land. Literally every other location (aside from Skyhold) would be less suspicious I mean, nevermind that the point that Inquisition is now smaller is presented to us with subtlety of hammer to the face, which includes 2 important ending scenes prior to post-credit scene. Piling Haven on top of that seems like an overkill at this point. Not that I think it's really that important, aside from symbolism. There's some likelihood we may be seeing Frostbacks (Skyhold, maybe remains of Temple Of Sacred Ashes) in the future, but probably not in a sense that it's a place hiding our central base of operations, which Haven has little chance of being anyhow, considering lack of infrastructure.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 2, 2018 23:42:15 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning. Yep. I've said it was Haven in a few posts in the speculation thread however long ago.
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Post by Verfallen on Jan 3, 2018 0:13:14 GMT
John Epler @eplerjcSo, clarification on a Trespasser tweet I made (since there was some confusion) - you are in Haven (the in-game space) at the end. I wanted both the scene direction, and the real space, to call back to the beginning. What threw me as far as the location was my Inquisitor was still dressed in the jester's outfit formal wear from the end of Trespasser. That... just wouldn't happen.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2018 1:19:34 GMT
Really? I only ever romance Cullen and Solas, but whoever the inky romanced is there too? Yes. If you lock their romance, they're there. That's cool! I never even realized that. That's an awesome little detail. Of course your LI would be there to support you going forward.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 3, 2018 1:24:38 GMT
Katie Chironis, 2018 Edition ™ @katiechironis if you have ever seriously used the phrase 'thought leader' to describe a person then we are probably not gonna be friends
John Epler @eplerjc Ah but what if I am talking about a MODOL or a Mental Organism Designed Only for Leading, checkmate.
Katie Chironis, 2018 Edition ™ @katiechironis i suspiciously googled that to make sure it wasn't a real thing after all because 'KOL' - Key Opinion Leader - is totally a real thing
John Epler @eplerjc Every few years, I try and make a conscious effort to purge my brain of all the extraneous corporate speak it has absorbed.
Auld Laid Syne @mike_Laidlaw To parking lot all the TLAs in order to maximize your assessment efficiency?
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah I was going to chime in. It made me sad.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes We can have a pro-versation about this in the coming year, sir!
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 3, 2018 2:02:10 GMT
Yeah...I do not miss working for a large corporation .
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 3, 2018 2:10:42 GMT
Who comes with all these terms? Are there people assigned to that?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 3, 2018 2:16:22 GMT
Thought it was obvious it's Haven all along at the end of Trespasser.
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