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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2017 20:12:54 GMT
Gotta be honest, I think the fact that the user score on metacritic for ME:A is lower than No Man's Sky says something about Bioware's consumers. They ARE? Holy shit.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2017 20:14:37 GMT
I just find it staggering that DAI was getting such superior reviews to ME:Andromeda. It doesn't make sense to me that the same people could review the games so differently. It's almost like they realise they overhyped Inquisition (and possibly ME3 without really playing the ending) and looked pretty stupid, and are making up for it by panning Andromeda. I don't think Andromeda is a top shelf game. It lacks focus, pacing, and polish. Yet there is enough good stuff to make it an enjoyable game, significantly better in fact than a lot of other games those reviewers gush over. I'm not far enough through to give it a final verdict, all I will say is my respect for critical game reviewers is all gone. They might as well not exist. I loved Inquisition, it will likely end up being the superior of the two games for me...but I agree. I think reviewers are doing their own attempt to restore credibility to themselves and are essentially using Andromeda for target practice.
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Post by malanek on Mar 21, 2017 20:17:42 GMT
I just find it staggering that DAI was getting such superior reviews to ME:Andromeda. It doesn't make sense to me that the same people could review the games so differently. It's almost like they realise they overhyped Inquisition (and possibly ME3 without really playing the ending) and looked pretty stupid, and are making up for it by panning Andromeda. I don't think Andromeda is a top shelf game. It lacks focus, pacing, and polish. Yet there is enough good stuff to make it an enjoyable game, significantly better in fact than a lot of other games those reviewers gush over. I'm not far enough through to give it a final verdict, all I will say is my respect for critical game reviewers is all gone. They might as well not exist. I loved Inquisition, it will likely end up being the superior of the two games for me...but I agree. I think reviewers are doing their own attempt to restore credibility to themselves and are essentially using Andromeda for target practice. To me I feel DAI was more polished but I personally like the combat in MEA more, and that is a big part of the game.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2017 20:20:10 GMT
I loved Inquisition, it will likely end up being the superior of the two games for me...but I agree. I think reviewers are doing their own attempt to restore credibility to themselves and are essentially using Andromeda for target practice. To me I feel DAI was more polished but I personally like the combat in MEA more, and that is a big part of the game. See I found Inquisition's combat system to be really good...for the most part. Maybe not that fun and fast paced and welll...I think a lot of the reason I like it too is I stuck to mages and archers and given the complaints I have heard about the game's melee mechanics and what I have observed myself I still have not rolled a melee character...but all that aside I think the combat for MEA looks really, really solid.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 21, 2017 20:38:48 GMT
I think the reason ME:A is getting mixed reviews is for a few specific reasons. I have played the early access and have been playing the game since midnight and have a fairly good idea about the quality of the game. Reviewers are trying to compare it to other games that have came out recently such as Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda Breath of the Wild. At least one of these two games have been mentioned in about 8 reviews I have read so far. You can't compare games when reviewing. It's one of the things I dislike most that reviewers do. Comparing one game to another just because you like something another game did better takes away from what ME:A did right and just highlights what it does wrong. Comparing it to its previous installments. Shepard was a great character that we loved (most of us) so moving forward with a new hero in a mass effect game is a foreign concept and is going to be met with some resistance. Obviously it's not just Shepard and the new characters, It's everything. The cover based system, the open world, the crafting, the quests. Everything. So much of Andromeda hasn't been done in a Mass Effect game and it's seems like a lot of reviews wanted a clone of the the original series as opposed to something new. This isn't defending or discrediting reviewers scores because I never cared for anyone's review but my own. These two points however have been in 70 percent of the reviews I have read. If you take away the original series and think of this game as a new IP it would have scored higher. It's a great game with a few flaws that may be completely oblivious to one person and something someone else can't look past. The best review I've seen was on YouTube the guy posts on here I think his username was radaway. To be fair, I think thats a legitimate point of contention. It is also an interesting point of contention, because BioWare tends to have a history of being a bit behind in terms of presentation. Dragon Age: Origins is proof of that, in 2009 it was anachronistic in terms of graphics and arguably gameplay. The thing is, Origins had something else going for it...it was somewhat fresh because it was a big title based on a niche marketbase and sold like hot cakes. Andromeda feels like it plays it safe and rests upon the laurels of BioWare style...and in that respect it feels a bit outclassed because of what has come before it recently.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 21, 2017 20:44:01 GMT
Well there are also user reviews that are flat out lies. A review on amaxon was posted with a single purpose, to claim the game is racist to men and white people. Stating "you cannot create a white character" and "all women are dykes who hate the male pc." Reviews like that will make the score low but not affect people with a brain.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 21, 2017 21:06:47 GMT
If you make a game called Mass Effect, gamers are going to compare it to other Mass Effect games. Andromeda wants to capitalise off the popularity and fanbase of the OT. It cannot do so without the expectations that will inevitably bring. You don't want that pressure? Make a new IP. Furthermore most comparisons in terms of combat and vehicles have actually been favourable, so there are benefits too. This is where I scratch my head with arguments like these. Bioware stated how many times over how many years that IT'S a new series of the franchise. It's own game, story, characters and journey. People for some reason just cannot make that connection. This is a much better version of the first game for a new story, which met my expectations and clearly others as well that like this for the same reasons. I'm really enjoying this game and hoping to see more sequels, pity that others dislike it. Hopefully, over time it grows.
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Post by Mgamerz on Mar 21, 2017 21:22:48 GMT
If you can't compare games to other games then what's the point even. The game has displayable pixels. It had audio. Okay cool.
I don't care if it it's a reboot, if it's worse than the previous game that came out chronologically then it's worse than the previous game that came out.
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Post by ProbeAway on Mar 21, 2017 21:38:05 GMT
I don't mind the comparisons but I do feel that there is this sense of relief among reviewers that they have the freedom to mark this game down and be critical without getting death threats from die hard fans.
There's been this unfortunate trend in recent years of fans losing their shit when a new game in their favourite series gets anything less than a 9. Like the guy who gave BotW a 7 and got fans riled up because the Metacritic score dropped from 98 to 97 (or something like that). SMH.
I've felt for a while that a lot of reviewers (particularly on the larger gaming sites) tend to tread carefully when reviewing a big sequel and err on the side of positive when giving a score. However, the negativity online pre-launch really made that a non-issue for MEA and opened the door for critics to be as brutally honest as they felt they needed to be without being abused for it. In fact, most reviewers are bing praised for pointing out the game's flaws.
I actually hope that this can be a catalyst for dragging ratings back a bit so that games actually have to be phenomenally good to get a 9+. That might be a little optimistic tho.
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Post by Wynne on Mar 21, 2017 22:39:49 GMT
I don't trust media much, because for the most part either their objectivity is compromised in some way, or they're clickbait wanting advertising dollars for their negative reviews. Hell with that. I prefer independent reviewers like Angry Joe, though even so I don't trust anyone's opinion but my own, since he was appeased by the Extended Cut and I was not. Their information is valuable for knowing whether I care to buy a game, but the only way for me to know how I will feel is to play it myself. Comparisons to other games are not really avoidable, but I do agree that they get a bit ridiculous. The same sort of fan will not always be attracted to one game vs. another, and often too much emphasis is placed on the negatives rather than the positives. "This game did not have unicorn sex." I don't care. In this case, I feel, to put it bluntly... like I'm a beta tester who paid for the privilege instead of being paid. Not in terms of bugs, which the game is pleasantly free of for me so far, but strictly in terms of polish, which is severely lacking. I love the ME1-improved feel, but not the nausea-inducing galaxy travel that spins around and around and makes that awful sound which is at least 50% of my physical distress. The facial animations--I don't really care about for the most part, but in this case on occasion they are truly, distractingly goofy, mostly noticeable around the mouth which makes shapes no human face could ever make. I can't believe I paid for a game where the animation budget went primarily to sex scenes I will never want to see. The inability to turn off more nausea-inducing, performance-reducing, and outright UGLY and POINTLESS effects like motion blur is quite distressing. And don't even get me started on the atrocious character creator which reduces the lifelike feel of the world by offering us NPCs that look like all the presets just as our Ryders do. And why the hell did you give a romance with boring budget Dr. Lexi but not Dr. Lexi herself? Ugh. I don't even care for myself; I just don't get it. I'm actually loving the game so far despite my complaints, it's superior to ME3 by a wide margin for so many reasons and I hate that some are judging it for the wrong reasons ("Shepard's not in it! The ending of ME3 was bad so screw this game! SJWs, waaah!"), but some things really make me shake my head. How hard did EA strip this team? Why was the marketing so awful and stupid? (I know, bc EA.) What caused these baffling decisions to favor sex scenes for straight males above the principles of game development 101--like decent facial animations and details of design that keep your players from vomiting? Bioware, stop trying to make The Witcher in Space Lite. Serve all your players, not just those who want to see hawt ladies naked. Hard words, but this is tough love time. /rant
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Post by lyvean on Mar 21, 2017 22:57:40 GMT
I think the reason ME:A is getting mixed reviews is for a few specific reasons. I have played the early access and have been playing the game since midnight and have a fairly good idea about the quality of the game. Reviewers are trying to compare it to other games that have came out recently such as Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda Breath of the Wild. At least one of these two games have been mentioned in about 8 reviews I have read so far. You can't compare games when reviewing. It's one of the things I dislike most that reviewers do. Comparing one game to another just because you like something another game did better takes away from what ME:A did right and just highlights what it does wrong. Comparing it to its previous installments. Shepard was a great character that we loved (most of us) so moving forward with a new hero in a mass effect game is a foreign concept and is going to be met with some resistance. Obviously it's not just Shepard and the new characters, It's everything. The cover based system, the open world, the crafting, the quests. Everything. So much of Andromeda hasn't been done in a Mass Effect game and it's seems like a lot of reviews wanted a clone of the the original series as opposed to something new. This isn't defending or discrediting reviewers scores because I never cared for anyone's review but my own. These two points however have been in 70 percent of the reviews I have read. If you take away the original series and think of this game as a new IP it would have scored higher. It's a great game with a few flaws that may be completely oblivious to one person and something someone else can't look past. The best review I've seen was on YouTube the guy posts on here I think his username was radaway. No. This game is getting mixed reviews when it should be getting bad reviews. It is a very low quality game content wise. The more you don't see it, the more you are going to get games like this. Thank god at least for CD Projekt. They show respect for their fanbase.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 1:43:11 GMT
You can absolutely compare games to other games released that same year/decade, especially when the comparison is about the technological aspects of the game. When reviewing a game, a lot of it will be subjective because art is subjective for the most part. But what is not subjective is the technological aspect of the game. The graphics, the gameplay, the animations, the bugs, the performance, etc. Sadly, ME:A is objectively mediocre at best in those departments. The environmental graphics are stunning, but the characters look cartoony and out of place, especially with the terrible animations. The gameplay is good, not perfect but not bad either. It is however an improvement over ME3. Sadly the game has plenty of glitches and bugs, mostly of graphical nature but in general the game feels very rough around the edges. Performance-wise, the game is also rather poorly optimized. You need a beast of a machine to play this game on 'ultra' while honestly it doesn't look better than The Witcher 3 or Dragon Age: Inquisition (which both had much less extreme hardware requirements). If we look at the open-world exploration aspect of ME:A, there's much left to be desired there too. The world look graphically stunning, but the things to do feel like busywork and things get pretty repetitive and can sometimes feel like a grind. This is especially obvious after having played The Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild, a game that really set a new standard for open-world games and really managed to make open-world exploration fun! ME:A just falls kinda short in that aspect compared to Zelda BoTW. Then there's the writing, which is a bit more of a subjective thing, but even so, some of the dialogue feels objectively awkward and out of place, with sometimes rather questionable delivery. Several times I felt "wow, a real person would never say that" or "a real person would never say it that way". I have some objections with the main story too, but I won't be going into that here. Still, you cannot deny that some of the dialogue is just kinda bad. The more I see about this game, the more I'm convinced BioWare should have delayed the release of the game by at least another 6 months. The game feels incredibly rough around the edges and it does not hold up to the new standard set by games like The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn and The Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild. Let's be real here, this game would not be improved by 6 more monthso of development. At least some of the glaring bugs/glitches would have been fixed.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 22, 2017 1:48:19 GMT
Let's be real here, this game would not be improved by 6 more monthso of development. At least some of the glaring bugs/glitches would have been fixed.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 22, 2017 2:54:27 GMT
If you make a game called Mass Effect, gamers are going to compare it to other Mass Effect games. Andromeda wants to capitalise off the popularity and fanbase of the OT. It cannot do so without the expectations that will inevitably bring. You don't want that pressure? Make a new IP. Furthermore most comparisons in terms of combat and vehicles have actually been favourable, so there are benefits too. I've also had no issue with Ryder in comparison to Shepard. I went into the game knowing Ryder was gonna be brand new and shiny and inexperienced as opposed to Shepard and I've genuinely enjoyed watching Ryder grow. My issues have been mostly with the story tbh, and world immersion, without spoilers, the game really doesn't flow well imo, I'm constantly left befuddled and confused about certain story choices or sudden exposition that (apparently) happened off screen. There have been character choices I have also called questionable on Bioware's choice, but that's it. Technical issues aren't at the top of my list, I mean I'll give Bioware a bit of a laugh about them but on par, it's not that different from Inquisition, and as long as I'm not back to square boobs and flat faces, I'm good.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 22, 2017 2:55:51 GMT
I just find it staggering that DAI was getting such superior reviews to ME:Andromeda. It doesn't make sense to me that the same people could review the games so differently. It's almost like they realise they overhyped Inquisition (and possibly ME3 without really playing the ending) and looked pretty stupid, and are making up for it by panning Andromeda. I don't think Andromeda is a top shelf game. It lacks focus, pacing, and polish. Yet there is enough good stuff to make it an enjoyable game, significantly better in fact than a lot of other games those reviewers gush over. I'm not far enough through to give it a final verdict, all I will say is my respect for critical game reviewers is all gone. They might as well not exist. I'm also going to agree with this. Reviewers almost seem overly eager to throw Andromeda under the bus.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 22, 2017 2:57:39 GMT
I ignore most reviewers because they generally don't have my same opinions on games.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 3:24:03 GMT
If you make a game called Mass Effect, gamers are going to compare it to other Mass Effect games. Andromeda wants to capitalise off the popularity and fanbase of the OT. It cannot do so without the expectations that will inevitably bring. You don't want that pressure? Make a new IP. Furthermore most comparisons in terms of combat and vehicles have actually been favourable, so there are benefits too. This is where I scratch my head with arguments like these. Bioware stated how many times over how many years that IT'S a new series of the franchise. It's own game, story, characters and journey. People for some reason just cannot make that connection. This is a much better version of the first game for a new story, which met my expectations and clearly others as well that like this for the same reasons. I'm really enjoying this game and hoping to see more sequels, pity that others dislike it. Hopefully, over time it grows. YOUR argument makes me scratch my head. It's called Mass Effect, so people are going to compare it to other Mass Effect games, no matter what BioWare says. If BioWare didn't want ME:A to be compared to other ME games they shouldn't have called it Mass Effect. But no, BioWare named is Mass Effect precisely BECAUSE they hoped people would buy it based on the fact that it's a Mass Effect game. Mass Effect is a popular franchise after all. BioWare wanted to capitalize on the Mass Effect brand, expected that slapping the title 'Mass Effect' on it would score them easy money, and they failed miserably because they didn't deliver a game that lives up to what people expect from a Mass Effect game.
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Post by Innocent Bystander on Mar 22, 2017 3:35:38 GMT
I have very different theory.
Professional reviewers are biased assholes that either praise crap or nitpick at minor details, completely ignoring the actual game. Users are whiny douchebags that give 0/10 reviews just because they can or because they're trying to play on potatoes. I'm exaggerating, of course, but in my experience from last few years, at least 99% of all reviews aren't even worth the bits they're written in.
Also, judging from trial, comparing ME:A to the best games from last year I've played, it's solid 9/10 for me. But I'm biased asshole, so that's that.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 22, 2017 9:35:28 GMT
This is where I scratch my head with arguments like these. Bioware stated how many times over how many years that IT'S a new series of the franchise. It's own game, story, characters and journey. People for some reason just cannot make that connection. This is a much better version of the first game for a new story, which met my expectations and clearly others as well that like this for the same reasons. I'm really enjoying this game and hoping to see more sequels, pity that others dislike it. Hopefully, over time it grows. YOUR argument makes me scratch my head. It's called Mass Effect, so people are going to compare it to other Mass Effect games, no matter what BioWare says. If BioWare didn't want ME:A to be compared to other ME games they shouldn't have called it Mass Effect. But no, BioWare named is Mass Effect precisely BECAUSE they hoped people would buy it based on the fact that it's a Mass Effect game. Mass Effect is a popular franchise after all. BioWare wanted to capitalize on the Mass Effect brand, expected that slapping the title 'Mass Effect' on it would score them easy money, and they failed miserably because they didn't deliver a game that lives up to what people expect from a Mass Effect game. No mate. Not at all. Bioware announced that they wanted to continue new story lines within the Mass Effect universe. Commander Shephard is PART of that universe. The lore, races and Universe that Bioware made allowed them to continue making new stories and content. This was said years ago a year into ME3's release? I may be wrong but again this was mentioned several times. So I'll repeat myself, you have a company stating that they wanted to continue making new stories which is what myself and fans wanted. Shepard's story is over. It's done. Everyone knew this. So please stop posting this nonsense, this isn't a cash grab. If you cannot understand how much love has been put into this game then I feel sorry for you and I completely disagree. Bioware named it Mass Effect so people could buy it. Jesus Christ that is far off the mark, do you have evidence to back that up? The game is a better version of the first game with the amount of effort, detail and content within it. Unbelievable.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 22, 2017 10:01:08 GMT
I think the reason ME:A is getting mixed reviews is for a few specific reasons. I have played the early access and have been playing the game since midnight and have a fairly good idea about the quality of the game. Reviewers are trying to compare it to other games that have came out recently such as Horizon Zero Dawn and Zelda Breath of the Wild. At least one of these two games have been mentioned in about 8 reviews I have read so far. You can't compare games when reviewing. It's one of the things I dislike most that reviewers do. Comparing one game to another just because you like something another game did better takes away from what ME:A did right and just highlights what it does wrong. Comparing it to its previous installments. Shepard was a great character that we loved (most of us) so moving forward with a new hero in a mass effect game is a foreign concept and is going to be met with some resistance. Obviously it's not just Shepard and the new characters, It's everything. The cover based system, the open world, the crafting, the quests. Everything. So much of Andromeda hasn't been done in a Mass Effect game and it's seems like a lot of reviews wanted a clone of the the original series as opposed to something new. This isn't defending or discrediting reviewers scores because I never cared for anyone's review but my own. These two points however have been in 70 percent of the reviews I have read. If you take away the original series and think of this game as a new IP it would have scored higher. It's a great game with a few flaws that may be completely oblivious to one person and something someone else can't look past. The best review I've seen was on YouTube the guy posts on here I think his username was radaway. You are right about the reviews, they are comparing it too much to other games like as if this is just another AAA title that wants to compete in the pool of popularity. First and foremost, this is and will be a Mass Effect game for me, and no other game can connect with me on this level that Mass Effect can. Even if it's not Sheppard and everything is different now, that is fine. I wanted another sci-fi opera space exploration game and this is exactly it. Sure, there are some flaws, but I'm not here to focus on the flaws, I'm here to immerse myself in this world completely, because there is just not enough of this in gaming and other media. I just cannot care and objectively compare other games to it, this is different, and unique for me. When they make another epic sci-fi space opera like this, then I'll be comparing it to it. But right now there is no point comparing another shooter game or third person game just because Mass Effect is a shooter as well. I'm not playing this because it's a shooter, but because it's a goddamn space opera with rich lore and history behind it, where it was always principles first, and drama second. It explains to me how a mass effect field works and what element zero does before trying to immerse me with the drama. I like the drama, but it would never become half as interesting if every single detail about the lore would be explained in such a detail that it is in Mass Effect. For everything you do and experience, this just gives it so much more purpose.
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Post by xetykins on Mar 22, 2017 10:12:38 GMT
I wonder if thus would have reviewed better if it did not have MASS EFFECT slapped on the title. Because lets be honest, it is a pretty enormous shoe to fill.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 11:41:59 GMT
YOUR argument makes me scratch my head. It's called Mass Effect, so people are going to compare it to other Mass Effect games, no matter what BioWare says. If BioWare didn't want ME:A to be compared to other ME games they shouldn't have called it Mass Effect. But no, BioWare named is Mass Effect precisely BECAUSE they hoped people would buy it based on the fact that it's a Mass Effect game. Mass Effect is a popular franchise after all. BioWare wanted to capitalize on the Mass Effect brand, expected that slapping the title 'Mass Effect' on it would score them easy money, and they failed miserably because they didn't deliver a game that lives up to what people expect from a Mass Effect game. No mate. Not at all. Bioware announced that they wanted to continue new story lines within the Mass Effect universe. Commander Shephard is PART of that universe. The lore, races and Universe that Bioware made allowed them to continue making new stories and content. This was said years ago a year into ME3's release? I may be wrong but again this was mentioned several times. So I'll repeat myself, you have a company stating that they wanted to continue making new stories which is what myself and fans wanted. Shepard's story is over. It's done. Everyone knew this. So please stop posting this nonsense, this isn't a cash grab. If you cannot understand how much love has been put into this game then I feel sorry for you and I completely disagree. Bioware named it Mass Effect so people could buy it. Jesus Christ that is far off the mark, do you have evidence to back that up? The game is a better version of the first game with the amount of effort, detail and content within it. Unbelievable. Dude you're completely missing the fucking point. I didn't say shit about the story, or Shepard, or the Milky Way or any of that shit. I'm talking about the quality and conventions that people came to expect of Mass Effect and BioWare in general, and how this game simply does not live up to those expectations. Then again we should have seen this coming. None of the original ME devs are still on the team. The entire team that developed ME:A are people who came on als devs during ME2 or later. Hell, a lot of ME:A devs are completely new to the team and never worked on a ME game before. Your absolute blind fanboyism and white knighting is hilarious though. Sadly it's not going to make ME:A or its ratings any better.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 22, 2017 12:19:42 GMT
Gotta be honest, I think the fact that the user score on metacritic for ME:A is lower than No Man's Sky says something about Bioware's consumers. You assume those bad scores are all from consumers.
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Post by degs29 on Mar 22, 2017 12:29:11 GMT
Gotta be honest, I think the fact that the user score on metacritic for ME:A is lower than No Man's Sky says something about Bioware's consumers. You assume those bad scores are all from consumers. You know, that's a good point. I wouldn't be surprised if a huge number of those reviewers never played the game at all.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 22, 2017 12:29:48 GMT
No mate. Not at all. Bioware announced that they wanted to continue new story lines within the Mass Effect universe. Commander Shephard is PART of that universe. The lore, races and Universe that Bioware made allowed them to continue making new stories and content. This was said years ago a year into ME3's release? I may be wrong but again this was mentioned several times. So I'll repeat myself, you have a company stating that they wanted to continue making new stories which is what myself and fans wanted. Shepard's story is over. It's done. Everyone knew this. So please stop posting this nonsense, this isn't a cash grab. If you cannot understand how much love has been put into this game then I feel sorry for you and I completely disagree. Bioware named it Mass Effect so people could buy it. Jesus Christ that is far off the mark, do you have evidence to back that up? The game is a better version of the first game with the amount of effort, detail and content within it. Unbelievable. Dude you're completely missing the fucking point. I didn't say shit about the story, or Shepard, or the Milky Way or any of that shit. I'm talking about the quality and conventions that people came to expect of Mass Effect and BioWare in general, and how this game simply does not live up to those expectations. Then again we should have seen this coming. None of the original ME devs are still on the team. The entire team that developed ME:A are people who came on als devs during ME2 or later. Hell, a lot of ME:A devs are completely new to the team and never worked on a ME game before. Your absolute blind fanboyism and white knighting is hilarious though. Sadly it's not going to make ME:A or its ratings any better. No need to throw out the Fanboyism and knighting. I don't appreciate those insults if I missed your point (which you didn't make it that clear TBH). You seem really angry and seem to have had high expectations which I advise to not have in the future. You said that they don't live up the quality and conventions? Such as? And don't use face animations or character creation. Those seriously aren't that big of a deal. Writing, yeah I can understand but It's not that bad lol. The combat is excellent, I enjoy how huge the game is and I enjoy many other elements towards it. So please state your reasons without throwing the insults. Again, its my opinion and I'm loving it, if you don't like it then don't buy anything else now or the future. Go play other games lol!
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