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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 22, 2017 17:28:05 GMT
Gotta be honest, I think the fact that the user score on metacritic for ME:A is lower than No Man's Sky says something about Bioware's consumers. I think it also says something about not giving a damn what metacritic user scores are until, minimum, a week after a game comes out. Metacritic user scores a few days after launch are the same as IMDB scores a few days after a movie release - you need to give it time to average out.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 23, 2017 21:25:24 GMT
Dude you're completely missing the fucking point. I didn't say shit about the story, or Shepard, or the Milky Way or any of that shit. I'm talking about the quality and conventions that people came to expect of Mass Effect and BioWare in general, and how this game simply does not live up to those expectations. Then again we should have seen this coming. None of the original ME devs are still on the team. The entire team that developed ME:A are people who came on als devs during ME2 or later. Hell, a lot of ME:A devs are completely new to the team and never worked on a ME game before. Your absolute blind fanboyism and white knighting is hilarious though. Sadly it's not going to make ME:A or its ratings any better. No need to throw out the Fanboyism and knighting. I don't appreciate those insults if I missed your point (which you didn't make it that clear TBH). You seem really angry and seem to have had high expectations which I advise to not have in the future. You said that they don't live up the quality and conventions? Such as? And don't use face animations or character creation. Those seriously aren't that big of a deal. Writing, yeah I can understand but It's not that bad lol. The combat is excellent, I enjoy how huge the game is and I enjoy many other elements towards it. So please state your reasons without throwing the insults. Again, its my opinion and I'm loving it, if you don't like it then don't buy anything else now or the future. Go play other games lol! I made it perfectly clear what I was talking about in my first post in this thread. I refresh your memory, here it is again: You can absolutely compare games to other games released that same year/decade, especially when the comparison is about the technological aspects of the game. When reviewing a game, a lot of it will be subjective because art is subjective for the most part. But what is not subjective is the technological aspect of the game. The graphics, the gameplay, the animations, the bugs, the performance, etc. Sadly, ME:A is objectively mediocre at best in those departments. The environmental graphics are stunning, but the characters look cartoony and out of place, especially with the terrible animations. The gameplay is good, not perfect but not bad either. It is however an improvement over ME3. Sadly the game has plenty of glitches and bugs, mostly of graphical nature but in general the game feels very rough around the edges. Performance-wise, the game is also rather poorly optimized. You need a beast of a machine to play this game on 'ultra' while honestly it doesn't look better than The Witcher 3 or Dragon Age: Inquisition (which both had much less extreme hardware requirements). If we look at the open-world exploration aspect of ME:A, there's much left to be desired there too. The world look graphically stunning, but the things to do feel like busywork and things get pretty repetitive and can sometimes feel like a grind. This is especially obvious after having played The Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild, a game that really set a new standard for open-world games and really managed to make open-world exploration fun! ME:A just falls kinda short in that aspect compared to Zelda BoTW. Then there's the writing, which is a bit more of a subjective thing, but even so, some of the dialogue feels objectively awkward and out of place, with sometimes rather questionable delivery. Several times I felt "wow, a real person would never say that" or "a real person would never say it that way". I have some objections with the main story too, but I won't be going into that here. Still, you cannot deny that some of the dialogue is just kinda bad. The more I see about this game, the more I'm convinced BioWare should have delayed the release of the game by at least another 6 months. The game feels incredibly rough around the edges and it does not hold up to the new standard set by games like The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn and The Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild. I didn't have high expectations for ME:A. I already expected a game with a piece of shit story and mediocre companions because that's what the last Mass Effect gave me too. But I at least expected good gameplay, decent graphics and decent animations. But even in those departments the game sorely disappointed me, even after already lowering my expectations, the game still turned out to be disappointing, it's just that bad. I think BioWare was way in over their heads with ME:A. They tried to create a big, expansive, open-world, next-gen Mass Effect game, but they clearly did not have the manpower or talent to do so. Maybe next time, BioWare should make a smaller but more polished game that is actually fun to play. Or they should ask EA for a budget increase. Because 40 million dollars might sound like a lot, but it's not a lot for a game like this. In contrast, GTA V costed 120 million dollars to develop. So maybe EA should be less fucking greedy and give BioWare more time and more money to develop the next Mass Effect, while BioWare should be less stupid about pushing a progressive agenda and start hiring new writers and animators based on talent, not based on "diversity".
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 24, 2017 1:22:23 GMT
No need to throw out the Fanboyism and knighting. I don't appreciate those insults if I missed your point (which you didn't make it that clear TBH). You seem really angry and seem to have had high expectations which I advise to not have in the future. You said that they don't live up the quality and conventions? Such as? And don't use face animations or character creation. Those seriously aren't that big of a deal. Writing, yeah I can understand but It's not that bad lol. The combat is excellent, I enjoy how huge the game is and I enjoy many other elements towards it. So please state your reasons without throwing the insults. Again, its my opinion and I'm loving it, if you don't like it then don't buy anything else now or the future. Go play other games lol! I made it perfectly clear what I was talking about in my first post in this thread. I refresh your memory, here it is again: You can absolutely compare games to other games released that same year/decade, especially when the comparison is about the technological aspects of the game. When reviewing a game, a lot of it will be subjective because art is subjective for the most part. But what is not subjective is the technological aspect of the game. The graphics, the gameplay, the animations, the bugs, the performance, etc. Sadly, ME:A is objectively mediocre at best in those departments. The environmental graphics are stunning, but the characters look cartoony and out of place, especially with the terrible animations. The gameplay is good, not perfect but not bad either. It is however an improvement over ME3. Sadly the game has plenty of glitches and bugs, mostly of graphical nature but in general the game feels very rough around the edges. Performance-wise, the game is also rather poorly optimized. You need a beast of a machine to play this game on 'ultra' while honestly it doesn't look better than The Witcher 3 or Dragon Age: Inquisition (which both had much less extreme hardware requirements). If we look at the open-world exploration aspect of ME:A, there's much left to be desired there too. The world look graphically stunning, but the things to do feel like busywork and things get pretty repetitive and can sometimes feel like a grind. This is especially obvious after having played The Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild, a game that really set a new standard for open-world games and really managed to make open-world exploration fun! ME:A just falls kinda short in that aspect compared to Zelda BoTW. Then there's the writing, which is a bit more of a subjective thing, but even so, some of the dialogue feels objectively awkward and out of place, with sometimes rather questionable delivery. Several times I felt "wow, a real person would never say that" or "a real person would never say it that way". I have some objections with the main story too, but I won't be going into that here. Still, you cannot deny that some of the dialogue is just kinda bad. The more I see about this game, the more I'm convinced BioWare should have delayed the release of the game by at least another 6 months. The game feels incredibly rough around the edges and it does not hold up to the new standard set by games like The Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn and The Legend of Zelda; Breath of the Wild. I didn't have high expectations for ME:A. I already expected a game with a piece of shit story and mediocre companions because that's what the last Mass Effect gave me too. But I at least expected good gameplay, decent graphics and decent animations. But even in those departments the game sorely disappointed me, even after already lowering my expectations, the game still turned out to be disappointing, it's just that bad. I think BioWare was way in over their heads with ME:A. They tried to create a big, expansive, open-world, next-gen Mass Effect game, but they clearly did not have the manpower or talent to do so. Maybe next time, BioWare should make a smaller but more polished game that is actually fun to play. Or they should ask EA for a budget increase. Because 40 million dollars might sound like a lot, but it's not a lot for a game like this. In contrast, GTA V costed 120 million dollars to develop. So maybe EA should be less fucking greedy and give BioWare more time and more money to develop the next Mass Effect, while BioWare should be less stupid about pushing a progressive agenda and start hiring new writers and animators based on talent, not based on "diversity". To each their own, I totally disagree (regarding gameplay for example), but I feel the ship has sailed with this discussion. Hopefully, you can find a game that meets your taste.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 24, 2017 4:46:27 GMT
I don't tend to fully trust reviews, but you can get a general idea of how the game is but looking at a few of them. If a large majority of reviews are saying the game is average, then most likely, it's an average game or if alot of reviews are talking about the same issues within the game, it's most likely an issue that is part of the game..... I do plan on getting this game, but just based on reviews alone, it seems like it will still be a great experience, just not as robust or exhilarating as the original trilogy.
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Post by Marduk on Mar 24, 2017 5:10:01 GMT
I just find it staggering that DAI was getting such superior reviews to ME:Andromeda. It doesn't make sense to me that the same people could review the games so differently. It's almost like they realise they overhyped Inquisition (and possibly ME3 without really playing the ending) and looked pretty stupid, and are making up for it by panning Andromeda. I don't think Andromeda is a top shelf game. It lacks focus, pacing, and polish. Yet there is enough good stuff to make it an enjoyable game, significantly better in fact than a lot of other games those reviewers gush over. I'm not far enough through to give it a final verdict, all I will say is my respect for critical game reviewers is all gone. They might as well not exist. I loved Inquisition, it will likely end up being the superior of the two games for me...but I agree. I think reviewers are doing their own attempt to restore credibility to themselves and are essentially using Andromeda for target practice. Restore credibility? by default, after 3 years since Inquisition, standards change and improvements are expected, yet Andromeda apparently doesn't satisfy the expectations so of course it is gonna be scored lower. just like how Assassin's Creed Unity was criticized, yet that doesn't nullify what Assassin's Creed 2 accomplished. there is no theory needed honestly. then there is the matter of subjectivity and Inquisition having established characters involved as an example. Plus those that write for famous websites don't care about credibility much since many of their readers don't even know them and their colleagues usually respect them regardless. not to mention critics for Andromeda and Inquisition aren't all necessarily the same people. Gamespot with the lowest score is an example with the critic of Inquisition long gone and yet, even if he was still around he would probably score it lower for reasons mentioned above. anyway, it is all subjective of course and there is nothing wrong with disliking or liking games (fanboys and haters are problematic however).
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 24, 2017 6:49:20 GMT
but her emails animations...
Anyone with a pair of eyes and a working brain can see that user reviews were influenced by the "anti-liberal" crowd that has been feeling justified as a result of recent political events worldwide.
The sheer number of reviews that include "SJW BioWare lesbian and trans pandering" is phenomenal.
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As for professional reviews, even as someone who mercilessly defended DAI in the past, I don't see how DAI is that far ahead when it had its own share of issues.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 24, 2017 8:14:56 GMT
To me I feel DAI was more polished but I personally like the combat in MEA more, and that is a big part of the game. See I found Inquisition's combat system to be really good...for the most part. Maybe not that fun and fast paced and welll...I think a lot of the reason I like it too is I stuck to mages and archers and given the complaints I have heard about the game's melee mechanics and what I have observed myself I still have not rolled a melee character...but all that aside I think the combat for MEA looks really, really solid. Rogue on inquisiton was the best in the series. you had to rely on stealth on some builds, going head to head like in DaO and Da2 was not viable on high difficulties. And warrior was a beast. So no Mellee in Inquisition felt great to me. I have 3 playthoghs on nightmares with trials. 1 rogue 1warrior 1 mage. All of were catterpillars when played right.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Mar 24, 2017 8:26:17 GMT
but her emails animations... Anyone with a pair of eyes and a working brain can see that user reviews were influenced by the "anti-liberal" crowd that has been feeling justified as a result of recent political events worldwide. The sheer number of reviews that include "SJW BioWare lesbian and trans pandering" is phenomenal. --- As for professional reviews, even as someone who mercilessly defended DAI in the past, I don't see how DAI is that far ahead when it had its own share of issues. And the sad thing is that In inquisition at least Dorian was such well written character and fun party member. I really like dorian. Cassandra's romance felt great to me. Also if bw games were cattering to feminists and sjw then.... ass camera shots, isabella (LOL i loved her), peebees belly is exposed etc.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 24, 2017 8:51:22 GMT
I made it perfectly clear what I was talking about in my first post in this thread. I refresh your memory, here it is again: I didn't have high expectations for ME:A. I already expected a game with a piece of shit story and mediocre companions because that's what the last Mass Effect gave me too. But I at least expected good gameplay, decent graphics and decent animations. But even in those departments the game sorely disappointed me, even after already lowering my expectations, the game still turned out to be disappointing, it's just that bad. I think BioWare was way in over their heads with ME:A. They tried to create a big, expansive, open-world, next-gen Mass Effect game, but they clearly did not have the manpower or talent to do so. Maybe next time, BioWare should make a smaller but more polished game that is actually fun to play. Or they should ask EA for a budget increase. Because 40 million dollars might sound like a lot, but it's not a lot for a game like this. In contrast, GTA V costed 120 million dollars to develop. So maybe EA should be less fucking greedy and give BioWare more time and more money to develop the next Mass Effect, while BioWare should be less stupid about pushing a progressive agenda and start hiring new writers and animators based on talent, not based on "diversity". To each their own, I totally disagree (regarding gameplay for example), but I feel the ship has sailed with this discussion. Hopefully, you can find a game that meets your taste. I already have, it's called The Legend of Zelda; Breath of The Wild. I've already beaten that game but I'm still dicking around in it and having fun, discovering new stuff, etc. Tbh I think The Witcher 3 and now Zelda BoTW both spoiled me, both really set a new standard for open-world games and it's hard to live up to those standards. DA:I managed to get close to that standard but fell just a little short. ME:A... falls a lot short, but that's just my opinion (well, not just my opinion, lots of people seem to share this opinion, but that's besides the point). Oh well, you seem to enjoy ME:A, so good for you mate. More power to you.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 24, 2017 12:51:04 GMT
To each their own, I totally disagree (regarding gameplay for example), but I feel the ship has sailed with this discussion. Hopefully, you can find a game that meets your taste. I already have, it's called The Legend of Zelda; Breath of The Wild. I've already beaten that game but I'm still dicking around in it and having fun, discovering new stuff, etc. Tbh I think The Witcher 3 and now Zelda BoTW both spoiled me, both really set a new standard for open-world games and it's hard to live up to those standards. DA:I managed to get close to that standard but fell just a little short. ME:A... falls a lot short, but that's just my opinion (well, not just my opinion, lots of people seem to share this opinion, but that's besides the point). Oh well, you seem to enjoy ME:A, so good for you mate. More power to you. See hopefully more people like you can be more frequent when discussing something I'm glad Zelda is a success, heard great things about it. And Witcher 3 is bad ass, fucking loved that game.
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Post by Marduk on Mar 24, 2017 15:10:28 GMT
but her emails animations... Anyone with a pair of eyes and a working brain can see that user reviews were influenced by the "anti-liberal" crowd that has been feeling justified as a result of recent political events worldwide. The sheer number of reviews that include "SJW BioWare lesbian and trans pandering" is phenomenal. --- As for professional reviews, even as someone who mercilessly defended DAI in the past, I don't see how DAI is that far ahead when it had its own share of issues. And the sad thing is that In inquisition at least Dorian was such well written character and fun party member. I really like dorian. Cassandra's romance felt great to me. Also if bw games were cattering to feminists and sjw then.... ass camera shots, isabella (LOL i loved her), peebees belly is exposed etc. Even if Bioware panders to SJW/LGBT crowd, as far as Inquisition is concerned, the lead writer was gay so he was just expressing himself in a cool way with Dorian. they didn't even go deep with preferences of their other LGBT characters. all romance options being bisexual in Dragon Age 2 however was a mistake and they learned from that. As for Andromeda, it was made by a B or C tier team without enough budget unlike GTA V or Witcher 3 so chances of it being able to compete with them isn't high sadly. that doesn't mean that it can't be enjoyable, but one shouldn't expect that much from it.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 24, 2017 15:43:06 GMT
but her emails animations... Anyone with a pair of eyes and a working brain can see that user reviews were influenced by the "anti-liberal" crowd that has been feeling justified as a result of recent political events worldwide. The sheer number of reviews that include "SJW BioWare lesbian and trans pandering" is phenomenal. --- As for professional reviews, even as someone who mercilessly defended DAI in the past, I don't see how DAI is that far ahead when it had its own share of issues. Yes, clearly the Trump voters are all hating on MEA because it's made by "liberals"...
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