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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2017 21:15:17 GMT
My friend had his xbox and the game disc stolen before he got a chance to finish the game. He thought the game was great. That thief was taking some drastic actions to make sure your friend never saw the endings. Marauder Shields lives on!
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Post by suikoden on Apr 3, 2017 21:28:06 GMT
Lowest Score: PS4 – Giant Bomb – 40 Highest Score: One – SomosXbox and Stevivor – 95 Update: Looked at the scores today to check something else on Metacritic and did not realize how many more scores there were. I had though that there were only two more reviews in progress. I put the update side by side with the older score I had so the differences can be seen. Also added the lowest and highest review scores. That giant bomb score is laughable. But then that site has never been good to begin with. Score is accurate. See what I did there? Don't pass up your opinion as fact, and shit on other sites and games to justify your opinion. www.ebizmba.com/articles/video-game-websites
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 3, 2017 21:44:42 GMT
That giant bomb score is laughable. But then that site has never been good to begin with. Score is accurate. See what I did there? Don't pass up your opinion as fact, and shit on other sites and games to justify your opinion. www.ebizmba.com/articles/video-game-websitesSays the poster trolling this site. Sorry if I don't take your bad advice.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 3, 2017 21:53:59 GMT
Says the poster trolling this site. Sorry if I don't take your bad advice. Yep, dissenting opinion = troll. Enjoy the mea culpa tomorrow.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 3, 2017 21:56:07 GMT
Says the poster trolling this site. Sorry if I don't take your bad advice. Yep, dissenting opinion = troll. Enjoy the mea culpa tomorrow. You aren't voicing an opinion, you are spamming this site with the same tired crap over and over. That is trolling.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 3, 2017 23:02:19 GMT
5 years and you still don't see the error of your ways. Meme posting doesn't change that.
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Post by Sailears on Apr 3, 2017 23:20:08 GMT
ME2 getting 94 shows how subjective those scores are. I have to nitpick this. There is no such thing is a "objectively" good game. Good games are the one people like and think are good, bad games are the one people hates. Everything comes down to personal taste obviously, but aggregate of a whole bunch of different personal tastes DOES tell about the quality of the product. I realise it is the minority opinion that ME2 is a bad sequel and the metacritic scores reflect the fact it is a "good" standalone game, I'm just surprised it's failings as a sequel (especially given being led to believe at the inception of ME1 that there would be a tight story arc over a trilogy with decisions making a real difference) are not objectively taken into account when people rate the game.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 3, 2017 23:28:24 GMT
5 years and you still don't see the error of your ways. Meme posting doesn't change that. Error of my ways? You're not offering to go 50 Shades on me, are you? Cause I'm not into that.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 3, 2017 23:28:53 GMT
Yep, dissenting opinion = troll. Enjoy the mea culpa tomorrow. You aren't voicing an opinion, you are spamming this site with the same tired crap over and over. That is trolling. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for people to hold an opinion that is contrary to yours, and remain consistent in voicing it.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 3, 2017 23:33:07 GMT
I have to nitpick this. There is no such thing is a "objectively" good game. Good games are the one people like and think are good, bad games are the one people hates. Everything comes down to personal taste obviously, but aggregate of a whole bunch of different personal tastes DOES tell about the quality of the product. I realise it is the minority opinion that ME2 is a bad sequel and the metacritic scores reflect the fact it is a "good" standalone game, I'm just surprised it's failings as a sequel (especially given being led to believe at the inception of ME1 that there would be a tight story arc over a trilogy with decisions making a real difference) are not objectively taken into account when people rate the game. What failings are we talking about? At the time it was superior to most games. While I didn't like its directional changes from ME1, it's forgiveable because mass effect didn't have a definitive direction, it never held a constant formula for multiple sequels to let people get attatched to it so the various changes ME2 did worked out. as for our decisions mattering, it's really something mass effect has never stayed true to. It's contradicted itself 10x over, and to be honest it gets harder to make decisions game to game when you span out so far into the trilogy. It's why I won't be suprised if they make decisions in this new series not mean as much as it creates to many barriers later on and you risk screwing something up. There really isn't a lot of games able to legitimately make all of our choices matter into sequels appropriately.
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Post by Sailears on Apr 3, 2017 23:47:46 GMT
I realise it is the minority opinion that ME2 is a bad sequel and the metacritic scores reflect the fact it is a "good" standalone game, I'm just surprised it's failings as a sequel (especially given being led to believe at the inception of ME1 that there would be a tight story arc over a trilogy with decisions making a real difference) are not objectively taken into account when people rate the game. What failings are we talking about? At the time it was superior to most games. While I didn't like its directional changes from ME1, it's forgiveable because mass effect didn't have a definitive direction, it never held a constant formula for multiple sequels to let people get attatched to it so the various changes ME2 did worked out. as for our decisions mattering, it's really something mass effect has never stayed true to. It's contradicted itself 10x over, and to be honest it gets harder to make decisions game to game when you span out so far into the trilogy. It's why I won't be suprised if they make decisions in this new series not mean as much as it creates to many barriers later on and you risk screwing something up. There really isn't a lot of games able to legitimately make all of our choices matter into sequels appropriately. Well I kind of went off on a bit of a rant in this thread ( bsn.boards.net/post/495410/thread), though I'll try to be a bit more level headed here. I believe they could have done a better job in maintaining the central focus and taking decisions into account following the end of ME1 rather than the route they decided to take with the sequel. Even if this meant having a long "Genesis" style comic at the beginning of ME2 for anyone who hadn't played ME1, it would have been better than resetting so many things so it worked as a standalone game.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 3, 2017 23:53:33 GMT
I have to nitpick this. There is no such thing is a "objectively" good game. Good games are the one people like and think are good, bad games are the one people hates. Everything comes down to personal taste obviously, but aggregate of a whole bunch of different personal tastes DOES tell about the quality of the product. I realise it is the minority opinion that ME2 is a bad sequel and the metacritic scores reflect the fact it is a "good" standalone game, I'm just surprised it's failings as a sequel (especially given being led to believe at the inception of ME1 that there would be a tight story arc over a trilogy with decisions making a real difference) are not objectively taken into account when people rate the game. The way I see it is that the high score is well deserved despite its weakness. 1. ME1 does such a good job of world building that even if ME2 introduce comparatively few new things, it's already rich and interesting enough 3. The improvement over ME1 in combat is massive, and at the time it was probably one of the best shooter. Much bigger improvement than ME3 to MEA 4. The story is structured different enough from the original such that it doesn't invite a direct comparison, so its weakest part doesn't seem so obvious. 5. Things don't exist in a vacuum. When reviewer compare it to its competitor and it's predecessor, it really was that good.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 3, 2017 23:56:25 GMT
A lot of people who hated the original endings also stated that it was shaping up to be their favorite game of the trilogy until the last 5 or 10 minutes of the game. That was a common statement on the old forums during the ending controversy. Most of the reviewers probably hadn't finished the game when they wrote their reviews. I was one of those people. I could overlook the various and few flaws I found in the game, up until the final moments. For me, up until then, despite a few disappointments, I had been glued and missed a fair amount of work because glued. When the original ending hit (and the EC does nothing for me either) I just felt... empty. So, for me it was a 95 up until then, and that ending should habe crashed the score to about an 83. Still the best money I ever spent on a game.... the hours of MP alone and the fun I have had with my MP fam, is actually priceless. Still kinda in a mourning period on Biower... DAI killed my love, and the general reaction to the game from the opinions I give a shit about, really is a bummer. I wanted to come home. Now, I wander the Earth, like Cain from Kung Fu, or David Banner. Looking for Reapers.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 4, 2017 0:01:13 GMT
You aren't voicing an opinion, you are spamming this site with the same tired crap over and over. That is trolling. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for people to hold an opinion that is contrary to yours, and remain consistent in voicing it. Look ar his posts, especially in the topic dedicated to those that like/love the game then try to defend him. He is like Dutch, in that he is only here to troll.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 4, 2017 0:19:38 GMT
*raises hand* DA2 is my favorite Dragon Age game.
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Post by Sailears on Apr 4, 2017 0:25:35 GMT
I realise it is the minority opinion that ME2 is a bad sequel and the metacritic scores reflect the fact it is a "good" standalone game, I'm just surprised it's failings as a sequel (especially given being led to believe at the inception of ME1 that there would be a tight story arc over a trilogy with decisions making a real difference) are not objectively taken into account when people rate the game. The way I see it is that the high score is well deserved despite its weakness. 1. ME1 does such a good job of world building that even if ME2 introduce comparatively few new things, it's already rich and interesting enough 3. The improvement over ME1 in combat is massive, and at the time it was probably one of the best shooter. Much bigger improvement than ME3 to MEA 4. The story is structured different enough from the original such that it doesn't invite a direct comparison, so its weakest part doesn't seem so obvious. 5. Things don't exist in a vacuum. When reviewer compare it to its competitor and it's predecessor, it really was that good. 1. ME2 fleshed out a few things in the world but did so with a tone and stylistic change that I didn't enjoy. 2. The combat change while making it fun in some ways made it bad in other ways - I still don't like the armour/health system which shafted biotics (yes they were broken in ME1 but combat felt more organic and part of the world in ME1 compared with being more "arcade" in ME2) as well as the very limited skill system (would have preferred improvement to a continuous effective mass system for enemies, taking into account armour and damping upgrades creating thresholds for biotics to overcome in order to have varying degrees of effect, but I've written extensively about this in other threads/forums so would prefer not to write a lengthy post here). Believe me I replayed many missions in ME2 because I enjoyed the combat - but it is akin to multiplayer in ME3/A which again is more arcade and less an organic part of the world and story. 3. The story went off the rails and put too much pressure on ME3 to tie everything up in one game (have posted about this again on the other thread in previous link in this thread ). There was already far too many major plot points to cover over two sequels so wasting one of them fixing a lot of daddy issues as well as watering down the main villains into, well, pantomime villains is a real shame. 4. I don't think it was that good compared to ME1. The only big positives that stood out for me were a few amazing characters (Mordin, Legion), good music and reasonably enjoyable combat. Everything else in my opinion was not as good as ME1 or went too far (ie instead of streamlining the inventory they just deleted it, or the sorry excuse for a flying minigame galaxy map, etc). It's a decent standalone game, a fun spinoff. But I will never like it as a sequel to ME1.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 4, 2017 0:34:05 GMT
*raises hand* DA2 is my favorite Dragon Age game. Been thinking about starting up a new Hawke for a minute. Also want to play Awakening again. Despite the recycled rooms for everything, which I bitched about plenty, it is a novel approach to storytelling and it moves at a good pace. Interesting npcharacters - fucked in the head - but interesting.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 4, 2017 0:46:00 GMT
The way I see it is that the high score is well deserved despite its weakness. 1. ME1 does such a good job of world building that even if ME2 introduce comparatively few new things, it's already rich and interesting enough 3. The improvement over ME1 in combat is massive, and at the time it was probably one of the best shooter. Much bigger improvement than ME3 to MEA 4. The story is structured different enough from the original such that it doesn't invite a direct comparison, so its weakest part doesn't seem so obvious. 5. Things don't exist in a vacuum. When reviewer compare it to its competitor and it's predecessor, it really was that good. 1. ME2 fleshed out a few things in the world but did so with a tone and stylistic change that I didn't enjoy. 2. The combat change while making it fun in some ways made it bad in other ways - I still don't like the armour/health system which shafted biotics (yes they were broken in ME1 but combat felt more organic and part of the world in ME1 compared with being more "arcade" in ME2) as well as the very limited skill system (would have preferred improvement to a continuous effective mass system for enemies, taking into account armour and damping upgrades creating thresholds for biotics to overcome in order to have varying degrees of effect, but I've written extensively about this in other threads/forums so would prefer not to write a lengthy post here). Believe me I replayed many missions in ME2 because I enjoyed the combat - but it is akin to multiplayer in ME3/A which again is more arcade and less an organic part of the world and story. 3. The story went off the rails and put too much pressure on ME3 to tie everything up in one game (have posted about this again on the other thread in previous link in this thread ). There was already far too many major plot points to cover over two sequels so wasting one of them fixing a lot of daddy issues as well as watering down the main villains into, well, pantomime villains is a real shame. 4. I don't think it was that good compared to ME1. The only big positives that stood out for me were a few amazing characters (Mordin, Legion), good music and reasonably enjoyable combat. Everything else in my opinion was not as good as ME1 or went too far (ie instead of streamlining the inventory they just deleted it, or the sorry excuse for a flying minigame galaxy map, etc). It's a decent standalone game, a fun spinoff. But I will never like it as a sequel to ME1. 2. I completely agree with you on that point. There is no reason why biotic have to have barrier instead of a shield unless barrier is substantial better in some way. 3. I suspect that you are saying this with the benefit of hindsight. No one knows at the time how the trilogy will evolve, so at the time of release, it's no way of knowing how utterly pointless ME2 is in term of the trilogy. 4. That's the reason why the game is rated highly. That stuff it did right was so good and memorable, and for a lot of people, most I dare say, was enough to overlook other flaws
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Post by Sailears on Apr 4, 2017 0:56:15 GMT
1. ME2 fleshed out a few things in the world but did so with a tone and stylistic change that I didn't enjoy. 2. The combat change while making it fun in some ways made it bad in other ways - I still don't like the armour/health system which shafted biotics (yes they were broken in ME1 but combat felt more organic and part of the world in ME1 compared with being more "arcade" in ME2) as well as the very limited skill system (would have preferred improvement to a continuous effective mass system for enemies, taking into account armour and damping upgrades creating thresholds for biotics to overcome in order to have varying degrees of effect, but I've written extensively about this in other threads/forums so would prefer not to write a lengthy post here). Believe me I replayed many missions in ME2 because I enjoyed the combat - but it is akin to multiplayer in ME3/A which again is more arcade and less an organic part of the world and story. 3. The story went off the rails and put too much pressure on ME3 to tie everything up in one game (have posted about this again on the other thread in previous link in this thread ). There was already far too many major plot points to cover over two sequels so wasting one of them fixing a lot of daddy issues as well as watering down the main villains into, well, pantomime villains is a real shame. 4. I don't think it was that good compared to ME1. The only big positives that stood out for me were a few amazing characters (Mordin, Legion), good music and reasonably enjoyable combat. Everything else in my opinion was not as good as ME1 or went too far (ie instead of streamlining the inventory they just deleted it, or the sorry excuse for a flying minigame galaxy map, etc). It's a decent standalone game, a fun spinoff. But I will never like it as a sequel to ME1. 2. I completely agree with you on that point. There is no reason why biotic have to have barrier instead of a shield unless barrier is substantial better in some way. 3. I suspect that you are saying this with the benefit of hindsight. No one knows at the time how the trilogy will evolve, so at the time of release, it's no way of knowing how utterly pointless ME2 is in term of the trilogy. 4. That's the reason why the game is rated highly. That stuff it did right was so good and memorable, and for a lot of people, most I dare say, was enough to overlook other flaws Regarging point 3., I was hoping Bioware had a tight plan for the whole three games - it at least sounded that way when they advertised importing save games and that it would effectively be one long game in three parts - but it seems they didn't and were just winging it.
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