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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 30, 2016 18:30:51 GMT
Meh, I still think it's better to destroy Reapers and let Milky Way races build their very own future, without these DNA soup machines. "I will act as guardian for the many" - I think it's better to let many and few work things out by themselves without force of Reapers. "I will watch over the ones who live on" - space big brother? On the other hand you could make Harbinger your very own jester. That comes with it's own charm. The point of this thread is to demonstrate that logically the other species will build their own future, because Commander will be off doing godly, ascended things and who can be bothered taking care of tiny little meatbags when there's a whole universe to explore? That Bioware overlooked this is only typical. With this reasoning, Control is actually the fastest way back to the status quo and beyond. |
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 1, 2016 13:52:32 GMT
So wait this wasn't obvious to people from the start? It was, to me. I was just more concerned with galactic civilization than with Shepard's fate at the time. I guess most people can't even imagine dropping their human perspective, while for me stories about going beyond what we are has always been one of the main attractions of SF. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 1, 2016 19:28:21 GMT
So wait this wasn't obvious to people from the start? It was, to me. I was just more concerned with galactic civilization than with Shepard's fate at the time. I guess most people can't even imagine dropping their human perspective, while for me stories about going beyond what we are has always been one of the main attractions of SF. Even if they kept the human perspective the concept of they will kill everyone anyways over time doesn't make any sense in context to the control ending. |
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 1, 2016 20:16:15 GMT
It was, to me. I was just more concerned with galactic civilization than with Shepard's fate at the time. I guess most people can't even imagine dropping their human perspective, while for me stories about going beyond what we are has always been one of the main attractions of SF. Even if they kept the human perspective the concept of they will kill everyone anyways over time doesn't make any sense in context to the control ending. No, but being prone to power abuse is part of human nature. Even if that serves no purpose for the Control entity, it may take some time for it to learn that if it kept too much of the human perspective. Also, my comment was aimed at the players. IMO we are called to question the human perspective in the ending. At times, it doesn't work, at times, it does and few people seemed to be aware of it. |
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Oct 3, 2016 4:23:34 GMT
Even if they kept the human perspective the concept of they will kill everyone anyways over time doesn't make any sense in context to the control ending. No, but being prone to power abuse is part of human nature. Even if that serves no purpose for the Control entity, it may take some time for it to learn that if it kept too much of the human perspective. Also, my comment was aimed at the players. IMO we are called to question the human perspective in the ending. At times, it doesn't work, at times, it does and few people seemed to be aware of it. But he isn't fully human anymore. His mind merging with an extremely sophisticated AI. The same weaknesses that are part of humanity would be reduced if not eliminated by the AI half. |
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 3, 2016 12:16:30 GMT
No, but being prone to power abuse is part of human nature. Even if that serves no purpose for the Control entity, it may take some time for it to learn that if it kept too much of the human perspective. Also, my comment was aimed at the players. IMO we are called to question the human perspective in the ending. At times, it doesn't work, at times, it does and few people seemed to be aware of it. But he isn't fully human anymore. His mind merging with an extremely sophisticated AI. The same weaknesses that are part of humanity would be reduced if not eliminated by the AI half. You don't need to convince *me*. Remember, this started with me saying that most people may be unable to drop their human perspective and imagine that particular human traits will be gone with the Control entity. After all, humans are like they are because - as unpleasant as that sounds - they are the survivors of an evolutionary arms race. The Control entity has no competition among humans, so it would be wasteful to retain useless traits that evolved to give humans an advantage against each other, by group or individual, respectively. I think the idea is that some of Shepard's traits are retained by the Control entity, as evidenced by the difference between the two versions of Control in the EC, but most likely it will lose interest eventually regardless. Which is just as well, right? |
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