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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 27, 2017 13:11:07 GMT
Having Garrus killed to avoid being befriended by him is like saying you don't dislike the ending because you never finished ME3. Liara is your friend regardless of the gift. Once I didn't get it because I missed a conversation. Those are the two examples I mentioned, no everyone. It's there. Stop splitting hairs, You asked if you could genuinely not be best bros with someone. You could. Back on topic, yeah i agree that DA2 conversation system was the best for me out of all bioware games, even tho it wasn't the game i enjoyed the most (not the least tho). No, I very clearly said Garrus. He's the prime example, and many complained about it. Same for Liara. Buddies4life.
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Post by Ieldra on Mar 27, 2017 13:32:33 GMT
I agree 100% OP. I'm only at the beginning of the game (Voeld to be specific) but unlike in other Bioware games I'm kind of bored with my squad and Ryder's interaction with other characters in Andromeda. You said it the best: it's generic and flat. This is exactly what I feared when they said they were getting rid of the paragon/renegade system for a more grey morality system: four shades of paragon as someone put it. *sigh* I love the combat and exploration so much that talking to people including my own squad feels like a chore, lol. So yes this would probably be the biggest disappointment in the game for me the lack of drama and conflict and darkness. Makes me appreciate the original trilogy in a new way though. It's like they can only do "drama that makes no sense" (ME3, parts of ME2) or "no drama at all" these days. Or they have acquired an acute aversion to conflict unless it's the black and white good vs. evil variant. Which, actually, wouldn't surprise me at all, but it's not good for the writing.
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Post by Zoriushka on Mar 27, 2017 13:41:54 GMT
I agree with you, OP. I'm still early on in the game but you named my feelings well. It's just so bland, I don't feel like my crew were real people, there's no connection, I don't care about them too much and I really want to. And Ryder's reaction (or the lack of it) to her Dad's death was shocking - yeah, no problem, we weren't close anyway. WTF. She also doesn't feel like a boss, she's this dorky kid, who is nice and all, but I don't see any doubts from her team about her being made the leader. Yes, there is that time or two when Cora mentions that she wanted that position, but that is all. They are all just ok with having a leader without proper training or experience - again, all is cool, we are best buddies, no problem! I love BioWare games because of the companions and relationships, I wasn't a big fan of DAI but it totally bought me in the end because of how much I cared about my team and how alive the characters felt. I can't find it here and it disappoints me more than anything. I don't mind the animations, CC or other issues of that kind, they are not the best, but I can live with that. But I really hope that as the game progresses, I can feel more connection with the characters and really build meaningful relationships... I was so looking forward to it while waiting for this game!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 18:31:25 GMT
I don't disagree with some of the points made here - but I will say that I'm not especially disappointed with the actual game because it's more or less what I expected. Ryder thought s/he was going to Andromeda with Dad leading the way. This character is quite young, and had a huge responsibility thrust on her/him in the wake of a tragedy. This is young Ryder's first time in the saddle, and I rather expected the character would be somewhat malleable, still trying to get his/her bearings, bending over backwards to keep everything together and keep moving forward. Ryder is not notShepard, but a completely different type of character. And when was Shepard the sort of character who couldn't move on from tragedy besides Thessia which was a terrible moment? In ME1 you can relate to him in how he addresses the loss of Kaidan or Ashley. He's torn but he's a leader so he gets to respectfully say "We'll honor their sacrifice" or "I had to choose" and then move on. Ryder is a younger, more emotional character and despite saying he didn't know his dad too well he almost doesn't even flinch the second he's told that stuff happened to his dad. In fact all he does is ask "What happened to the others?" or "What happened?" but there's never even one moment when you can tell he's hurt. It's completely juveneile almost inhumanly written. The first stage of grief is denial. People don't always immediately show a major emotional reaction to such news, it can take them awhile to process the reality of something that comes as a complete shock. And some prefer to process their emotions in private. I don't agree with your assertion that Ryder is necessarily more emotional due to youth. I've met plenty of young adults who were very reserved and senior citizens who wear their emotions on their sleeves. If you choose the logical / professional tones, that is the behavior the character will demonstrate. In any event, what I've gleaned from my playthrough thus far is that Alec Ryder's relationship with his family was... strained. He chides himself about being a bad husband and father, and the family get-together we see looks awkward, as if they find it difficult to be in the same room together - at least that was my read. What I'm suggesting here is that young Ryder's feelings about Alec seem pretty complex, and I would expect it may take quite some time to process it all and arrive at a point where s/he is comfortable with the past and his/her relationship with him. Meanwhile, s/he needs to wear the mantle of Pathfinder, so that's what s/he grabs and holds onto. But I suspect some (most? all?) of the dissatisfaction with the character comes from a couple of places: 1) This emotional tone system is extremely nuanced, and the differences may be more subtle than people might have liked. BioWare apparently made the decision that Ryder would be a Pathfinder first and foremost, a representative of the combined species of The Milky Way, and perhaps more of a diplomat in all things than some people might have liked. 2) The facial animations are not as expressive as a lot of people may have preferred. I personally have not been fussed about it, but then I'm an old old school sort and my first cRPG characters were sprites - little pixel blobs on the screen - so I guess I've always been perfectly comfortable injecting my own sense of emotional context into whatever is happening in the game. I don't expect games to show me how my character thinks and feels - I prefer to supply that context myself, anyway. I don't know how I'll feel about any of this once I've completed a playthrough. I'm going pretty slowly, savoring this fresh virgin territory bit by bit.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 27, 2017 18:55:43 GMT
I was hoping they'd pull something like Jacob cheating in ME3 because lets face it - that was the ONLY thing you couldn't see coming in that game. And I'm pretty sure the sole reason that everyone seemed to like Javik was precisely because he wasn't looking to get on anyone's good side. He just said whatever he wanted to say and didn't really care what people thought.
Anyway without the renegade option, Ryder just comes off as kind of soft a lot of the time imo.
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Post by annerogers on Mar 28, 2017 2:01:59 GMT
I should really make a thread for every stuff I enjoy about Andromeda, but that would be a lot. Question, could you not be best bros with Garrus, in the trilogy? Or Liara BFF's? Andromeda's system is miles head. You mean the guy I got killed in the second game?
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