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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 4, 2017 13:04:25 GMT
We were talking about prioritising fixes for a video game. The closest I can come to feeding africans is buying beer for Sudanese refugees. And what do you expect these other players to do about bugs? No one is asking Bioware to suddenly stop focusing on game-breaking bugs, they're just raising other issues that are important to them. Should everyone shut up about animations, face models and the galaxy map until all bugs are fixed?
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 4, 2017 13:10:05 GMT
We were talking about prioritising fixes for a video game. The closest I can come to feeding africans is buying beer for Sudanese refugees. And what do you expect these other players to do about bugs? No one is asking Bioware to suddenly stop focusing on game-breaking bugs, they're just raising other issues that are important to them. Should everyone shut up about animations, face models and the galaxy map until all bugs are fixed? I guess I just don't see how #makejaalbiagain affects me in my digital experience. Make the faces worse for all I care make them uglier, if thats what it takes to get the game to actually function long enough for me play through insanity and get the achievement for it I'm good.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 13:14:09 GMT
People took the datamining too seriously. BW will make codes and have a rare line for both sexes, but it was scrapped long ago. There's no dialogue or scenes or anything that was made for it.
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Apr 4, 2017 13:16:16 GMT
Of course when you belong to a demographic that wont ever feel exclusion, your only problem will be only Pingu animations. Maybe if such demographic focused more on doing something useful or simply living as everyone else does, instead of trying to shove their inclusion into everyone's throat, then inclusion would not be an issue at all. It just like with the racism - the more you talk about it and the more you try to make it look like a bigger problem, the more racism there becomes. In other words, in 2017 nobody would really care about whether one has different skin color or belongs to this or that minority, if not for the ppl that feel the constant need to remind about this, thinking they championing anything else but their own attention seeking. Ok buddy, you forgot to put your t-shirt tho
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Post by chawktrick on Apr 4, 2017 13:23:23 GMT
Of course when you belong to a demographic that wont ever feel exclusion, your only problem will be only Pingu animations. Maybe if such demographic focused more on doing something useful or simply living as everyone else does, instead of trying to shove their inclusion into everyone's throat, then inclusion would not be an issue at all. It just like with the racism - the more you talk about it and the more you try to make it look like a bigger problem, the more racism there becomes. In other words, in 2017 nobody would really care about whether one has different skin color or belongs to this or that minority, if not for the ppl that feel the constant need to remind about this, thinking they championing anything else but their own attention seeking. Come on. For centuries, specifically in America, people have been bullying, putting down and murdering different races/sexualities/etc. The idea that "talking" about these types of things makes them worse is idiotic. "Talking" about them forces people to show their true colors, and the ones who can't handle it are the ones who end up enabling the deplorable behavior. This Jaal stuff doesn't impact me at all and yes, it probably is a less relevant issue than the game-breaking bugs some people are experiencing, but that doesn't mean it's not worth bringing attention to.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 13:23:33 GMT
Maybe if such demographic focused more on doing something useful or simply living as everyone else does, instead of trying to shove their inclusion into everyone's throat, then inclusion would not be an issue at all. It just like with the racism - the more you talk about it and the more you try to make it look like a bigger problem, the more racism there becomes. In other words, in 2017 nobody would really care about whether one has different skin color or belongs to this or that minority, if not for the ppl that feel the constant need to remind about this, thinking they championing anything else but their own attention seeking. Ok buddy, you forgot to put your t-shirt tho ok, thx, I will wear it when the next LGBT-parade hits the town. inclusion for everyone, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 13:33:43 GMT
Ok buddy, you forgot to put your t-shirt tho ok, thx, I will wear it when the next LGBT-parade hits the town. inclusion for everyone, right? In Norway its just called Oslo pride, so yeah its for everyone. I was there once, pretty fun!
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 13:36:38 GMT
Maybe if such demographic focused more on doing something useful or simply living as everyone else does, instead of trying to shove their inclusion into everyone's throat, then inclusion would not be an issue at all. It just like with the racism - the more you talk about it and the more you try to make it look like a bigger problem, the more racism there becomes. In other words, in 2017 nobody would really care about whether one has different skin color or belongs to this or that minority, if not for the ppl that feel the constant need to remind about this, thinking they championing anything else but their own attention seeking. Come on. For centuries, specifically in America, people have been bullying, putting down and murdering eachother different races/sexualities/etc.The idea that "talking" about these types of things makes them worse is idiotic. "Talking" about them forces people to show their true colors, and the ones who can't handle it are the ones who end up enabling the deplorable behavior. This Jaal stuff doesn't impact me at all and yes, it probably is a less relevant issue than the game-breaking bugs some people are experiencing, but that doesn't mean it's not worth bringing attention to. See the bold text. The fact that throughout the history generally people of all races and cultures were killing and enslaving people of their own and other races and cultures for any possible reason, and no race or culture is more or less guilty than the other for what happened in the past. The rest is a modern bullshit leftist propaganda, as well as being a way to reach some personal goals or gains for some. Otherwise I don't really want to go into too deep discussion about it, because this isn't really the place. So just in case, lets agree to disagree.
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Post by Biodron on Apr 4, 2017 13:37:41 GMT
I don't know why they expect that, but they remember me little kids who cry and scream until they get what they wanted.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 4, 2017 13:45:44 GMT
We were talking about prioritising fixes for a video game. The closest I can come to feeding africans is buying beer for Sudanese refugees. And what do you expect these other players to do about bugs? No one is asking Bioware to suddenly stop focusing on game-breaking bugs, they're just raising other issues that are important to them. Should everyone shut up about animations, face models and the galaxy map until all bugs are fixed? Those things actually matter banging a fictional alien doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 13:55:33 GMT
Well, I did not have any particular problems with the game so far, and would not mind Jaal being a bi, seeing he is the only Angara on the crew. If Bio can do it, imo it will be a quick win. So... why the angst? Just put forward what you want fixed, and let them prioritize.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:04:41 GMT
Well, I did not have any particular problems with the game so far, and would not mind Jaal being a bi, seeing he is the only Angara on the crew. If Bio can do it, imo it will be a quick win. So... why the angst? Just put forward what you want fixed, and let them prioritize. If BW can afford to make new scenes and ask the actors to come back, I'm fine with it, but it's very doubtful.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 4, 2017 14:06:23 GMT
I dunno. Early on when people saw those lines for Jaal? Never helped that Bioware played coy the whole time. There's so many handsome alien guys out there that it doesn't have to be Jaal or an Angara to me. Salarians are cute and Turians are handsome. So while I disagree with the whole #MakeJaalBi I can understand the frustration behind it. And what do you expect these other players to do about bugs? No one is asking Bioware to suddenly stop focusing on game-breaking bugs, they're just raising other issues that are important to them. Should everyone shut up about animations, face models and the galaxy map until all bugs are fixed? Those things actually matter banging a fictional alien doesn't. Nah banging fictional aliens should always be top priority. Always.
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Post by rahavan on Apr 4, 2017 14:07:02 GMT
And what do you expect these other players to do about bugs? No one is asking Bioware to suddenly stop focusing on game-breaking bugs, they're just raising other issues that are important to them. Should everyone shut up about animations, face models and the galaxy map until all bugs are fixed? I guess I just don't see how #makejaalbiagain affects me in my digital experience. Make the faces worse for all I care make them uglier, if thats what it takes to get the game to actually function long enough for me play through insanity and get the achievement for it I'm good. Just because an issue doesn't affect you doesn't mean you should diminish it's relevancy. If you don't live in Flint, Michigan does that make deadly water less of an issue for you? I would hope not.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 4, 2017 14:13:37 GMT
I guess I just don't see how #makejaalbiagain affects me in my digital experience. Make the faces worse for all I care make them uglier, if thats what it takes to get the game to actually function long enough for me play through insanity and get the achievement for it I'm good. Just because an issue doesn't affect you doesn't mean you should diminish it's relevancy. If you don't live in Flint, Michigan does that make deadly water less of an issue for you? I would hope not. That's a life or death situation no is dying because they can't fuck Jaal as a male in this game. I couldn't romance Sera in DA:I as a straight male but I got over it. If they really wanna bang Jaal so badly just make a female Ryder or use mods.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:17:13 GMT
That one idiot reviewer claiming he had sex with Jaal and flirted with him as Scott, who then later retracted it when a dev said Jaal should turn down Scott, is what made things even more confusing. Add to the fact, there is no flirt for Scott with Jaal, and another reviewer could use the friendship icon as Scott, which is now missing, and this thing is a big mess of questions.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 4, 2017 14:17:35 GMT
Just because an issue doesn't affect you doesn't mean you should diminish it's relevancy. If you don't live in Flint, Michigan does that make deadly water less of an issue for you? I would hope not. That's a life or death situation no is dying because they can't fuck Jaal as a male in this game. I couldn't romance Sera in DA:I as a straight male but I got over it. If they really wanna bang Jaal so badly just make a female Ryder or use mods. The problem really isn't that Jaal is straight but it's a culmination of issues that make it obvious that m/m romances were a complete afterthought. Jaal being possibly bi, according to the datamining (codes and one audio file), and then being scrapped for whatever reason is just what pushed a lot of people over the edge, because the general consensus is that if Jaal was bi, a lot of the problems with the current m/m choices wouldn't have been as bad.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Apr 4, 2017 14:18:46 GMT
Just because an issue doesn't affect you doesn't mean you should diminish it's relevancy. If you don't live in Flint, Michigan does that make deadly water less of an issue for you? I would hope not. That's a life or death situation no is dying because they can't fuck Jaal as a male in this game. I couldn't romance Sera in DA:I as a straight male but I got over it. If they really wanna bang Jaal so badly just make a female Ryder or use mods. Sera wasn't intended to be romanced by straight guys. Jaal was originally bi. It was cut due to time constraints. M/m romance is always cut. Nothing for you gamer bros is ever cut.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:19:10 GMT
Well, I did not have any particular problems with the game so far, and would not mind Jaal being a bi, seeing he is the only Angara on the crew. If Bio can do it, imo it will be a quick win. So... why the angst? Just put forward what you want fixed, and let them prioritize. If BW can afford to make new scenes and ask the actors to come back, I'm all for it too, but it's very doubtful. We do not have an insight into how much was shelved. Routine dialogue patching is not as complicated as verifying the conditional and hard to replicate actually gamebreaking issues (quests not completing, CTD). Which are not going to remain unfixed. Hence, let Bio decide if it is a quick win or not. What I am against is jumping on each others' requests in a combative manner and trying to mock or suppress something other folks are asking after. becauseif not asked, they won't consider it.
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Post by mooxie on Apr 4, 2017 14:20:20 GMT
Well, I did not have any particular problems with the game so far, and would not mind Jaal being a bi, seeing he is the only Angara on the crew. If Bio can do it, imo it will be a quick win. So... why the angst? Just put forward what you want fixed, and let them prioritize. If BW can afford to make new scenes and ask the actors to come back, I'm all for it too. Hmm.. I am not really fan of changing character's sexuality when the game is already out. I'd rather have them improve the game experience for gays by adding completely new character in future dlcs. Of course it is going to cost lots of $$ and take time to prepare but rather that than changing character's sexuality as a lousy handout for unhappy fans. It will not be done as good as completely new character would be.
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Post by auu on Apr 4, 2017 14:23:13 GMT
It became a thing when files were datamined and Jaal was revealed to be for both Scott and Sara. But then the day before release, it was revealed through prima guide that Jaal is indeed just straight, and gay men only have one crew romance (who has a CC face, has little to no plot relevancy, a romance that is quite problematic to some and focuses a bit too much on his sexuality, has a fade to black sex scene, has the least amount of content etc etc etc) and one fling (who has a badly animated variant of the romance culmination scene for men) for romance options, while everyone else at least two squadmates and an alien romance. In the end, people have different priorities when it comes to games. A lot of LGBT folk seek solace in BW games because it's that one company that cares enough about us to include us into their games. But this time, they took that LGBT admiration for granted and assumed LGBT folk, namely gay/bi men will be happy with whatever scraps they throw at us. Thus, #MakeJaalBi was born. Just because people care about the romances, doesn't mean they don't care about the rest. But it's just priorities. Let people enjoy the games for their own reasons, yes? There's nothing wrong with that. Hell, I wouldn't have touched Dragon Age Inquisition unless it was pointed out to me that you can bang Iron Bull as a dude. And to this day, I have 1050 hours on DA:I and I love the series, not just for the romances.
Nobody is expecting Jaal to be '' patched as Bi '' but the hashtag is more like a message that hey BW, you kinda fucked up with your m/m romances and it stifles our enjoyment of the game. Is that too bad to point out? This comment begs to differ. Sorry. You're not a gamer if you only become interested in a game because you can bang an NPC.
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Post by rahavan on Apr 4, 2017 14:23:31 GMT
Just because an issue doesn't affect you doesn't mean you should diminish it's relevancy. If you don't live in Flint, Michigan does that make deadly water less of an issue for you? I would hope not. That's a life or death situation no is dying because they can't fuck Jaal as a male in this game. I couldn't romance Sera in DA:I as a straight male but I got over it. If they really wanna bang Jaal so badly just make a female Ryder or use mods. Well yes a public health issue is far more important than what gets fixed in a game my point still stands. Just because something doesn't effect you doesn't mean you can just shove the problem aside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 14:24:47 GMT
If BW can afford to make new scenes and ask the actors to come back, I'm all for it too. Hmm.. I am not really fan of changing character's sexuality when the game is already out. I'd rather have them improve the game experience for gays by adding completely new character in future dlcs. Of course it is going to cost lots of $$ and take time to prepare but rather that than changing character's sexuality as a lousy handout for unhappy fans. It will not be done as good as completely new character would be. I'm not either, but if it makes everyone happy, then I'm fine with it. Jaal is 100% straight in every possible way in the game, but if they want to work around it for the fans, I say go for it, but again, I doubt it. We found one cut line where Scott said he loved Jaal too, but everything else is in the game, so it was left in if they went that way, but they chose not to in the end.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 4, 2017 14:24:52 GMT
It became a thing when files were datamined and Jaal was revealed to be for both Scott and Sara. But then the day before release, it was revealed through prima guide that Jaal is indeed just straight, and gay men only have one crew romance (who has a CC face, has little to no plot relevancy, a romance that is quite problematic to some and focuses a bit too much on his sexuality, has a fade to black sex scene, has the least amount of content etc etc etc) and one fling (who has a badly animated variant of the romance culmination scene for men) for romance options, while everyone else at least two squadmates and an alien romance. In the end, people have different priorities when it comes to games. A lot of LGBT folk seek solace in BW games because it's that one company that cares enough about us to include us into their games. But this time, they took that LGBT admiration for granted and assumed LGBT folk, namely gay/bi men will be happy with whatever scraps they throw at us. Thus, #MakeJaalBi was born. Just because people care about the romances, doesn't mean they don't care about the rest. But it's just priorities. Let people enjoy the games for their own reasons, yes? There's nothing wrong with that. Hell, I wouldn't have touched Dragon Age Inquisition unless it was pointed out to me that you can bang Iron Bull as a dude. And to this day, I have 1050 hours on DA:I and I love the series, not just for the romances.
Nobody is expecting Jaal to be '' patched as Bi '' but the hashtag is more like a message that hey BW, you kinda fucked up with your m/m romances and it stifles our enjoyment of the game. Is that too bad to point out? This comment begs to differ. Sorry. You're not a gamer if you only become interested in a game because you can bang an NPC. Oh my god, I'm not a gamer?! What ever will I do!?!
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Post by Arcian on Apr 4, 2017 14:30:20 GMT
Maybe having a squadmate romance is important to them? You're free to look down on them for caring so much about fictional romances, but there are also people out there who will look down on you for caring about fictional friendships or playing Bioware games or even for playing games in general. When everyone in Africa is fed then you can complain about your technical issues in a video game
That makes no sense. Way to blow things out of proportion, it doesn't work like that. If you stopped taking the bait all the time those africans might catch some fish so they wouldn't starve.
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