WOW those sex scenes are...detailed and well done.

I don't think there's any link or relationship, sex and violence are just 2 big things that get censored a lot. When a piece of media has one but not the other people ask "Why do you show this but not this ? Are you censored or uncensored ?"

Honestly the sex scenes were completely unnecessary and considering the lack of polish the rest of the game's animations got the devs should be embarrassed THAT's where they put their effort. Priorities.

How often do shootings take place in dating sims?

Idk about media in general, but graphic violence in MEA isn't there to show us the horrors of war, or to make us feel bad about killing living beings, or really to tell any profound story at all. It's there because most players enjoy shooting things and seeing their well-aimed shots make people's heads explode. It is, in that sense, "gratuitous", and that's perfectly ok. Coincidentally, many players also enjoy watching their avatars have sex with a character they like, so that's also put into the game. I don't see how one is more gratuitous than the other, and both are there purely in order to entertain and please the viewer. Since, you know, video games are generally supposed to be fun.

Actually, I'm not the one trying to compare the two. They're not apples and apples - they're entirely different kinds of content.

I'm asking why they are associated at all. I've yet to receive a logical answer.



gra·tu·i·tous
ɡrəˈt(y)o͞oədəs/
adjective
adjective: gratuitous

1.
uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.
"gratuitous violence"
synonyms: unjustified, uncalled for, unwarranted, unprovoked, undue;



SSDD. Sigh.

No, it's there because it's a significant part of the gameplay and storyline. Even so, it could be toned down quite a bit. This has already been covered.

I don't understand why you keep quoting me, since you're not responding to any of the points I've put forth.

I also don't understand why you insist on bringing "morality" into the discussion.  It has no relevance whatsoever, and has already been discussed.

As for your final statement, there are romances that do not include sex scenes, and there have been sex scenes in previous titles that are not so explicit.

If your only goal is to say "I want naked explicit sex scenes!" then say that, and leave me out of it.

Actually, I asked a specific individual for elucidation on the concept that 2 completely different kinds of content merit inclusion in a case for double standards.

Unless you also preach about spam, junkmail, telemarketers and liver, it won't do you much good. And if you do preach about them, well that speaks for itself too.

Yeah, they're both treated in a similar manner, namely there's attempts to censor them and said attempts paint them as "immoral", "wrong", "unclean" "dirty", differing only in extent. And the irony is, the one that actually would be wrong and immoral if emulated in real life is given the pass more often than not.

Your comparisons are weak. Ask not how Die Hard can be made without violence, ask what mainstream movie is to sex what Die Hard is to action. Can't answer that can you? All you (or anyone else) could come up with is porn and then oh noes, it's "immoral and wrong" and won't someone think of the children. That's because North America is fucked in the head when it comes to sex. The connection is that it more readily accepts violence being depicted in its entertainment than it does sex.

But to come back to Mass Effect, it doesn't matter what the "primary gameplay" is. Mass Effect, as a media/form of entertainment contains violence. It also contains romance and sexual themes. Its violence is at the R level (well, no let's be honest, it's still pretty PG compared to other titles). Asking for the sex to be kept to the G level is a double standard, and kinda moronic, from that point of view.

As I've said in this thread before: you're welcome to only enjoy G or PG levels of sex. Your preference is your own. But preaching about it insistently and repeatedly, and showing clear judgemental attitudes towards it or the people who might enjoy more than you? Yeah, best toss that junk out the airlock, friend. Not saying you specifically have done this here. But I am seeing the sentiment accrue, and that's when I speak up.

I've never been a fan of sexual scenes in anything. Call me a prude, but I feel like they're always awkward and never add anything to the story. I was a bit horrified when I got to Peebee's Spirits quest. I thought by not taking up her offer in the escape pod I was choosing the, "no sex please, we're British," option a lot of Bioware games seem to have. The end of the scene was cute though. 

Oh, and what discussion is that? You asked for a connection between sex, violence and complaints about them, I (and others) have given them to you. Though I suppose it would be pointless to respond if you have nothing to respond with. You can just say "I don't like it" but I can see why you might feel that's a waste to type.

Do point out where you've been mocked or indeed accused of being squeamish though. I think you're the only one who used that particular phrase.

Of course it is.

You keep using that word...

No, but neither would it go from R to "OMG Despicable" if they did. Having an R means they can go there with the sex and it's perfectly valid (or it can be). It's not automatically "gratuitous", "wrong", "unclean", a "waste of resources" or anything else like that just because you may not like it. And it's certainly not porn or lolExhibitionism, let's not forget that.

You can express whatever opinion you like. So far as it's clear it's, you know, your opinion and not some half-baked judgment or PROCLAMATION OF WRONGNESS™ from on high.

I didn't have an issue with the Coramance or PB scenes but I was perplexed as to why Liam's scene wasn't like it. Poor bloke can't get his rump some screentime.

The only answer you've offered has to do with censorship and moral posturing, neither of which are relevant here. Included in your diatribe was yet another accusation of double standards. My position is that these 2 types of content (violence, sex/nudity) don't have enough in common for personal preferences between them to be indicative of double standards.



The squeamish references originated in posts on the last couple of pages, which you liked.



Does that same rule apply to you?