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Post by No Snakes Alive on Apr 6, 2017 1:42:07 GMT
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Post by slyslepkava on Apr 6, 2017 1:46:53 GMT
Vegas, at some point you have to realize you are wrong.
If you think stealthing at will is negligible, especially with a whole team on comms, there is no way for me to convince you that you're wrong...but you are.
At this point I hope you're just being obstinate, because people have given great evidence for why you are wildly off base in your assumptions. You have zero data to back up anything you are saying other than a time compared to 3 other times. You freely admit that you weren't even aiming for a low time...that competition has not even started yet, but you just so happened to complete it quickly, and extrapolated extremely exaggerated and unsubstantiated conclusions from it.
You keep talking about damage. How about that team wide 80% damage buff for the whole team for a duration after leaving stealth? It will help focus a big target much better than you 5 shotting, instead of 4, some grunt. The "Best Character in MULTIPLAYER!" conversation should be focused around the highest end of play, 4 teams in comms on the hardest difficulty, and which is the best way to contribute to a win....not the most irrelevant form of play, some dude solos gold in a team game. At best, it shows you're survivable and can kill stuff. Every character can most likely solo gold, so keep that chin low.
In short, you're an idiot. Hopefully, you learn. You won't.
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 6, 2017 1:47:15 GMT
God I need to figure out how to multiquote. Anyway, SI, and Avenger bring stickies, and generally better CQC damage as well. Avenger has stealth grid on top. If you click the BBCode option in a reply you can copy paste the entire contents into the next reply box, so on and so on until you have all the quotes you need in the final reply. Alternatively he could select the posts he wants to quote by clicking that gear icon placed on top right corner of every post and picking "Select Post" and then clicking "More Reply Options". Very intuitive, I know. |
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Post by slyslepkava on Apr 6, 2017 1:56:49 GMT
One more thing to add. Even when someone achieves the absolute lowest solo time on gold, it will in no way show, by itself, that the character they played in that game is the BEST kit in multiplayer.
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 2:02:59 GMT
I don't even.... I give up. good, get out of my thread bye felicia |
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Post by hieroglyph on Apr 6, 2017 2:05:22 GMT
oh god, operatorm whiteknighting someone using overly exaggerated examples(hypberbolic logical fallacy) listen, i don't mean to be a "dick" but seriously, do you even read what you are typing when u guys post on here? Do you? The point went entirely over your head apparently. I can look past hyperbole, and understand the point he was illustrating without needing someone to hold my hand and spell it out. Your reading comprehension just sucks. If you're shooting a target with 200 hp, infiltrator A does 100 damage a shot, and infiltrator B does 105 damage a shot, they both will need to shoot the target twice. The 5 extra damage infiltrator B invested in was technically worthless. Get it yet? I used smaller numbers just for you. To be fair, extra damage could mean the difference between 2 weak point hits to kill and 1 weak point hit and a body shot. I understand what you are saying but there were plenty of times in ME3MP where I could guarantee a kill with the Black Widow from a body shot because I hit the target in the head first. Extra damage may be excessive but the only time it matters is when the target survives from not having enough damage. For solo you can min/max on a per hit basis, but for group play the only thing that matters is killing the target in as few hits as possible. |
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 2:08:00 GMT
Vegas, at some point you have to realize you are wrong. If you think stealthing at will is negligible, especially with a whole team on comms, there is no way for me to convince you that you're wrong...but you are. At this point I hope you're just being obstinate, because people have given great evidence for why you are wildly off base in your assumptions. You have zero data to back up anything you are saying other than a time compared to 3 other times. You freely admit that you weren't even aiming for a low time...that competition has not even started yet, but you just so happened to complete it quickly, and extrapolated extremely exaggerated and unsubstantiated conclusions from it. You keep talking about damage. How about that team wide 80% damage buff for the whole team for a duration after leaving stealth? It will help focus a big target much better than you 5 shotting, instead of 4, some grunt. The "Best Character in MULTIPLAYER!" conversation should be focused around the highest end of play, 4 teams in comms on the hardest difficulty, and which is the best way to contribute to a win....not the most irrelevant form of play, some dude solos gold in a team game. At best, it shows you're survivable and can kill stuff. Every character can most likely solo gold, so keep that chin low. In short, you're an idiot. Hopefully, you learn. You won't. 1. you are bringing up its situational uses for the stealth grid(camping in a cooperative way)> which is fine, but the rambo style of play extract way faster than "camping"(presuming of course the four players are competent/skilled in this game. At the end of the day, tactical cloak is better than the stealth grid, deal with it. I've played with plenty of players who has stealth grid, and i will tell you one thing, you never rely on others to give you a buff. You should be worrying about yourself. (especially in a rambo style speed run) 2. i've already provided reasons why she's the best. Mainly the extra clip thanks to munitions training and the 2 second cloak delay. You realize EVERY WEAPON IN THE GAME(excluding the single shot weapons), the female infiltrator is superior than other non-munitions training characters. 3. i've already backed up my claim with my solo run with the female infiltrator. No "assumptions" or "conjectures" necessary, i've already posted a gold solo(which is faster than a vast majority of gold solos on youtube). 4. i'm an idiot because i defend my stance in a subject? Okay bud, strong ad-hominem attack is strong in this one |
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 2:11:39 GMT
One more thing to add. Even when someone achieves the absolute lowest solo time on gold, it will in no way show, by itself, that the character they played in that game is the BEST kit in multiplayer. true but there are variables(particularly damage) that make it an easy inference to determine the best character all else being equal |
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 2:14:14 GMT
oh god, operatorm whiteknighting someone using overly exaggerated examples(hypberbolic logical fallacy) listen, i don't mean to be a "dick" but seriously, do you even read what you are typing when u guys post on here? Do you? The point went entirely over your head apparently. I can look past hyperbole, and understand the point he was illustrating without needing someone to hold my hand and spell it out. Your reading comprehension just sucks. If you're shooting a target with 200 hp, infiltrator A does 100 damage a shot, and infiltrator B does 105 damage a shot, they both will need to shoot the target twice. The 5 extra damage infiltrator B invested in was technically worthless. Get it yet? I used smaller numbers just for you. but that wasn't the original debate (the person you whiteknighted) said. He was clearly using hyperbolic logical fallacy all you are doing is moving goalposts and twisting his words(and obviously, it makes absolutely no sense my reading comprehension sucks? no, it's bcuz i choose to not address people who use overly exaggerated/extremist examples as a way to refute my blanket statement that you can never be too "redundant" dealing a lot of damage. |
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Post by operatorm1 on Apr 6, 2017 2:16:35 GMT
Do you? The point went entirely over your head apparently. I can look past hyperbole, and understand the point he was illustrating without needing someone to hold my hand and spell it out. Your reading comprehension just sucks. If you're shooting a target with 200 hp, infiltrator A does 100 damage a shot, and infiltrator B does 105 damage a shot, they both will need to shoot the target twice. The 5 extra damage infiltrator B invested in was technically worthless. Get it yet? I used smaller numbers just for you. To be fair, extra damage could mean the difference between 2 weak point hits to kill and 1 weak point hit and a body shot. I understand what you are saying but there were plenty of times in ME3MP where I could guarantee a kill with the Black Widow from a body shot because I hit the target in the head first. Extra damage may be excessive but the only time it matters is when the target survives from not having enough damage. For solo you can min/max on a per hit basis, but for group play the only thing that matters is killing the target in as few hits as possible. Point of my post was to show vegas was either too stupid to understand the point, or too dishonest to confront it when he originally tried to dismiss it with the 'hyperbole' line. |
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Post by operatorm1 on Apr 6, 2017 2:34:20 GMT
Do you? The point went entirely over your head apparently. I can look past hyperbole, and understand the point he was illustrating without needing someone to hold my hand and spell it out. Your reading comprehension just sucks. If you're shooting a target with 200 hp, infiltrator A does 100 damage a shot, and infiltrator B does 105 damage a shot, they both will need to shoot the target twice. The 5 extra damage infiltrator B invested in was technically worthless. Get it yet? I used smaller numbers just for you. but that wasn't the original debate (the person you whiteknighted) said. He was clearly using hyperbolic logical fallacy all you are doing is moving goalposts and twisting his words(and obviously, it makes absolutely no sense my reading comprehension sucks? no, it's bcuz i choose to not address people who use overly exaggerated/extremist examples as a way to refute my blanket statement that you can never be too "redundant" dealing a lot of damage. If you're not saving bullets, and time, and giving up utilities for more damage that changed nothing, then yes, you can be too redundant. So if your reading comprehension isn't bad, then it's dishonestly, or laziness that your initial reaction is to dismiss a person rather than discuss the point that you claim to understand. Lovely. ps; that wasn't white knighting. That was me saying I understood, and address the point when you opted to dismiss it, or even entirely not get it. Demonstrating reading comprehension = white knighting to you? I've had enough of you for the night. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 6, 2017 2:35:29 GMT
Chilling. Care to answer any of those questions? Just to understand why we should value your lofty positions. i don't answer stupid patronizing questions thanks Ok, "Captain Creepy". lol... you aren't even worth an NDT. Patronizing questions? Yeah, you are a baby. |
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 6, 2017 2:39:21 GMT
Hence.. going ham on damage CAN in fact be redundant and situational. But what do I know.. I only had 4,000 hours in the game. Bro this guy has the world record for fastest not recorded gold solo, obviously his word is law. I have the world record for most Korean supermodels bedded. Not recorded of course because I'm a damn nice guy. Scrubby guys may ask my knowledge, hawt girls may send me their numbers but only if you bring snacks on our first date. I have standards. |
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Post by nucleartech76 on Apr 6, 2017 2:40:40 GMT
I don't even.... I give up. good, get out of my thread bye felicia Seriously are you twelve? I'm going to be seriously pissed if I'm arguing with someone whose balls haven't even dropped yet. |
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Post by slyslepkava on Apr 6, 2017 2:42:02 GMT
One more thing to add. Even when someone achieves the absolute lowest solo time on gold, it will in no way show, by itself, that the character they played in that game is the BEST kit in multiplayer. true but there are variables(particularly damage) that make it an easy inference to determine the best character all else being equal So, you're using words like inference, making it seem like you have an understanding of statistics. Do you see how 5 trials is not enough to infer any sort of reliable results from, especially when you are inferring conclusions about certain parameters in the testing which not you, nor anyone in the testing pool, had even planned for? 1. No one was going for a low time, they were simply trying to beat gold by themselves. 2. My time was the lowest. 3. Because of this, the class I played must have been the best class...even though the basis on which I am comparing these trials was not even an objective in ANY of the trials. You're using a low amount of data, data that wasn't even controlled with an objective (going for lowest time), and drawing conclusions from it. Your conclusions were doomed to be straw grasping the moment you started drawing conclusions from 1. Bad data. 2. Uncontrolled data for the "control" you are referencing in your conclusions. |
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 2:43:27 GMT
but that wasn't the original debate (the person you whiteknighted) said. He was clearly using hyperbolic logical fallacy all you are doing is moving goalposts and twisting his words(and obviously, it makes absolutely no sense my reading comprehension sucks? no, it's bcuz i choose to not address people who use overly exaggerated/extremist examples as a way to refute my blanket statement that you can never be too "redundant" dealing a lot of damage. If you're not saving bullets, and time, and giving up utilities for more damage that changed nothing, then yes, you can be too redundant. So if your reading comprehension isn't bad, then it's dishonestly, or laziness that your initial reaction is to dismiss a person rather than discuss the point that you claim to understand. Lovely. ps; that wasn't white knighting. That was me saying I understood, and address the point when you opted to dismiss it, or even entirely not get it. Demonstrating reading comprehension = white knighting to you? I've had enough of you for the night. nah, u were whiteknighting by taking his side and meddling with our debate |
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Post by megabeast37215 on Apr 6, 2017 2:45:46 GMT
Do you? The point went entirely over your head apparently. I can look past hyperbole, and understand the point he was illustrating without needing someone to hold my hand and spell it out. Your reading comprehension just sucks. If you're shooting a target with 200 hp, infiltrator A does 100 damage a shot, and infiltrator B does 105 damage a shot, they both will need to shoot the target twice. The 5 extra damage infiltrator B invested in was technically worthless. Get it yet? I used smaller numbers just for you. but that wasn't the original debate (the person you whiteknighted) said. He was clearly using hyperbolic logical fallacy all you are doing is moving goalposts and twisting his words(and obviously, it makes absolutely no sense my reading comprehension sucks? no, it's bcuz i choose to not address people who use overly exaggerated/extremist examples as a way to refute my blanket statement that you can never be too "redundant" dealing a lot of damage. Math isn't an exaggerated, extremist, logical fallacy. It's clear that you're arguing just to argue at this point. Have a good day.. and for fuck's sake, learn to snipe better. |
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Post by vegasflash on Apr 6, 2017 2:49:14 GMT
true but there are variables(particularly damage) that make it an easy inference to determine the best character all else being equal So, you're using words like inference, making it seem like you have an understanding of statistics. Do you see how 5 trials is not enough to infer any sort of reliable results from, especially when you are inferring conclusions about certain parameters in the testing which you, nor anyone in the testing pool, had even planned for? 1. No one was going for a low time, they were simply trying to beat gold by themselves. 2. My time was the lowest. 3. Because of this, the class I played must have been the best class...even though the basis on which I am comparing these trials was not even an objective in ANY of the trials. You're using a low amount of data, data that wasn't even controlled with an objective (going for lowest time), and drawing conclusions from it. Your conclusions were doomed to be straw grasping the moment you started drawing conclusions from 1. Bad data. 2. Uncontrolled data for the variable you referencing in your conclusions. lol wtf? I don't need a big sample size to make an easy inference to dictate who the best is. i never said "damage" was the end all be all, but it sure hell is one of the more important variables that dictate who the best character is. 25% clip size in munitions training separates the human infiltrator from other cloaked characters, that's why she's the overall best character. And yes, at the end of the day, it's my opinion. I value damage/DPS/extracting fast/finishing fast above redundant variables like survivability or situational support |
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Post by slyslepkava on Apr 6, 2017 2:55:03 GMT
Vegas, at some point you have to realize you are wrong. If you think stealthing at will is negligible, especially with a whole team on comms, there is no way for me to convince you that you're wrong...but you are. At this point I hope you're just being obstinate, because people have given great evidence for why you are wildly off base in your assumptions. You have zero data to back up anything you are saying other than a time compared to 3 other times. You freely admit that you weren't even aiming for a low time...that competition has not even started yet, but you just so happened to complete it quickly, and extrapolated extremely exaggerated and unsubstantiated conclusions from it. You keep talking about damage. How about that team wide 80% damage buff for the whole team for a duration after leaving stealth? It will help focus a big target much better than you 5 shotting, instead of 4, some grunt. The "Best Character in MULTIPLAYER!" conversation should be focused around the highest end of play, 4 teams in comms on the hardest difficulty, and which is the best way to contribute to a win....not the most irrelevant form of play, some dude solos gold in a team game. At best, it shows you're survivable and can kill stuff. Every character can most likely solo gold, so keep that chin low. In short, you're an idiot. Hopefully, you learn. You won't. 1. you are bringing up its situational uses for the stealth grid(camping in a cooperative way)> which is fine, but the rambo style of play extract way faster than "camping"(presuming of course the four players are competent/skilled in this game. At the end of the day, tactical cloak is better than the stealth grid, deal with it. I've played with plenty of players who has stealth grid, and i will tell you one thing, you never rely on others to give you a buff. You should be worrying about yourself. (especially in a rambo style speed run) 2. i've already provided reasons why she's the best. Mainly the extra clip thanks to munitions training and the 2 second cloak delay. You realize EVERY WEAPON IN THE GAME(excluding the single shot weapons), the female infiltrator is superior than other non-munitions training characters. 3. i've already backed up my claim with my solo run with the female infiltrator. No "assumptions" or "conjectures" necessary, i've already posted a gold solo(which is faster than a vast majority of gold solos on youtube). 4. i'm an idiot because i defend my stance in a subject? Okay bud, strong ad-hominem attack is strong in this one 4. That wasn't an ad hominem, as it wasn't part of my rebuttal, but a summation of how I felt about you. I didn't say, "You're wrong, because you're an idiot". Rather, I simply stated, you're an idiot. |
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Post by capnmanic on Apr 6, 2017 3:02:37 GMT
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Post by slyslepkava on Apr 6, 2017 3:03:46 GMT
So, you're using words like inference, making it seem like you have an understanding of statistics. Do you see how 5 trials is not enough to infer any sort of reliable results from, especially when you are inferring conclusions about certain parameters in the testing which you, nor anyone in the testing pool, had even planned for? 1. No one was going for a low time, they were simply trying to beat gold by themselves. 2. My time was the lowest. 3. Because of this, the class I played must have been the best class...even though the basis on which I am comparing these trials was not even an objective in ANY of the trials. You're using a low amount of data, data that wasn't even controlled with an objective (going for lowest time), and drawing conclusions from it. Your conclusions were doomed to be straw grasping the moment you started drawing conclusions from 1. Bad data. 2. Uncontrolled data for the variable you referencing in your conclusions. lol wtf? I don't need a big sample size to make an easy inference to dictate who the best is. i never said "damage" was the end all be all, but it sure hell is one of the more important variables that dictate who the best character is. 25% clip size in munitions training separates the human infiltrator from other cloaked characters, that's why she's the overall best character. And yes, at the end of the day, it's my opinion. I value damage/DPS/extracting fast/finishing fast above redundant variables like survivability or situational support Come on now. Let's say the NBA played 2 total games on the first day of the season. Player A score the highest amount of points. You are saying "Player A" is the best offensive player in the league based off of that information. Also, that 25% clip size in negligible, because you have to relocate before you get to fire off any additional shots past 4. I played two games that were like this, and I accept this data as gospel. |
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 3:13:49 GMT
Vegas, at some point you have to realize you are wrong. If you think stealthing at will is negligible, especially with a whole team on comms, there is no way for me to convince you that you're wrong...but you are. At this point I hope you're just being obstinate, because people have given great evidence for why you are wildly off base in your assumptions. You have zero data to back up anything you are saying other than a time compared to 3 other times. You freely admit that you weren't even aiming for a low time...that competition has not even started yet, but you just so happened to complete it quickly, and extrapolated extremely exaggerated and unsubstantiated conclusions from it. You keep talking about damage. How about that team wide 80% damage buff for the whole team for a duration after leaving stealth? It will help focus a big target much better than you 5 shotting, instead of 4, some grunt. The "Best Character in MULTIPLAYER!" conversation should be focused around the highest end of play, 4 teams in comms on the hardest difficulty, and which is the best way to contribute to a win....not the most irrelevant form of play, some dude solos gold in a team game. At best, it shows you're survivable and can kill stuff. Every character can most likely solo gold, so keep that chin low. In short, you're an idiot. Hopefully, you learn. You won't. I feel like the best character will either do massive DPS solo and the best team will be 4 copies of that character, or support abilities will actually be relevant because the boost in DPS is significant. It doesn't really interest me either way as I was hoping that MP would be more than just a DPS race... |
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Post by physiolosopher on Apr 6, 2017 3:18:08 GMT
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Post by AdmiralDreck on Apr 6, 2017 4:13:19 GMT
Okay so,
My two cents on this is that the Wraith is still better than the Claymore.
So let's all just agree to disagree on this silly "which cloak is the best cloak 'discussion'"
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Post by bacon4breakfast on Apr 6, 2017 4:50:04 GMT
Okay so, My two cents on this is that the Wraith is still better than the Claymore. So let's all just agree to disagree on this silly "which cloak is the best cloak 'discussion'"  |
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