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Post by Civ on Apr 17, 2017 20:26:47 GMT
Completed the game a few times, and I admit - I skipped a few scenes  I've read my codex entries, but I don't remember any solid answers about the Scourge. Not sure if the codex entry evolves to answer these questions but at 77% game completion +5th NG, it's still illusive. BUT- 1) Is it natural in Andromeda or made by the Jardaan/???/Kett 2) Was it tied to some event? 3) They didn't see it using the FTL Telescope? (I don't think they did) |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 17, 2017 20:30:59 GMT
Completed the game a few times, and I admit - I skipped a few scenes I've read my codex entries, but I don't remember any solid answers about the Scourge. Not sure if the codex entry evolves to answer these questions but at 77% game completion +5th NG, it's still illusive. BUT- 1) Is it natural in Andromeda or made by the Jardaan/???/Kett 2) Was it tied to some event? 3) They didn't see it using the FTL Telescope? (I don't think they did) Form what I understand: 1) It was some kind of weapon used against the Jardaan by someone/something referred to as "The Opposition"
2) Unknown, probably as part of an ongoing war
3) No. Given angara records, it came about some five hundred years ago. The "FTL Telescopes" were used over six hundred years ago. So whatever happened took place while the arks and NExus were still in dark space and everyone was in stasis |
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Post by mofojokers on Apr 17, 2017 20:31:25 GMT
It's definitely set up for future dlc or MEA 2.
Seems it was a weapon used by a enemy faction of the Jardaan. I'm sure once we pay for the next game we shall learn abit more!.😄
Seriously though it is very interesting and looking foward to learning more about it.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 17, 2017 20:33:44 GMT
Probably need to move this to the spoilers forum.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 2:36:36 GMT
It's definitely set up for future dlc or MEA 2. Seems it was a weapon used by a enemy faction of the Jardaan. I'm sure once we pay for the next game we shall learn abit more!.😄 Seriously though it is very interesting and looking foward to learning more about it. My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. |
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 18, 2017 3:32:11 GMT
It's definitely set up for future dlc or MEA 2. Seems it was a weapon used by a enemy faction of the Jardaan. I'm sure once we pay for the next game we shall learn abit more!.😄 Seriously though it is very interesting and looking foward to learning more about it. My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. I've had similar suspicions. When Avela commented on how the centuries old artistic representation of the angara "couldn't be right", the suspicion took hold. She says, "Did we look like that?"
I suspect that the angara are made in the image of the Jardaan, and may even be Jardaan, in some sense. We seem to know that the angara once used more advanced "remnant technologies", such as Jardaan starships. There's clearly a lot more going on than we've learned.
Do the kett tie in with this in some way? I'd assumed they were unfamiliar with the Scourge before arriving in Heleus, but that was an assumption. Nothing that is said actually suggests this. The kett hierarchy, whomever they are, acknowledged that the Archon was having to deal with the Scourge. Is this because he reported as much? Or were they already aware of it? |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 18, 2017 3:45:30 GMT
My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. I've had similar suspicions. When Avela commented on how the centuries old artistic representation of the angara "couldn't be right", the suspicion took hold. She says, "Did we look like that?"
I suspect that the angara are made in the image of the Jardaan, and may even be Jardaan, in some sense. We seem to know that the angara once used more advanced "remnant technologies", such as Jardaan starships. There's clearly a lot more going on than we've learned.
Do the kett tie in with this in some way? I'd assumed they were unfamiliar with the Scourge before arriving in Heleus, but that was an assumption. Nothing that is said actually suggests this. The kett hierarchy, whomever they are, acknowledged that the Archon was having to deal with the Scourge. Is this because he reported as much? Or were they already aware of it? Thats the question I want answered. Its implied the scourge isn't a problem elsewhere or thats the way I read it at least. Its interesting because Macen describes the scourge wound as having a euphoric effect. Its all connected somehow and again I'll draw a comparison to DAI. Red lyrium and our little dwarven arcanist. "I was floating and I thought all the thoughts." I think if we folliw DAI we might get answers. Angara = Elves. Scourge = Red Lyrim. |
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 18, 2017 3:58:03 GMT
I've had similar suspicions. When Avela commented on how the centuries old artistic representation of the angara "couldn't be right", the suspicion took hold. She says, "Did we look like that?"
I suspect that the angara are made in the image of the Jardaan, and may even be Jardaan, in some sense. We seem to know that the angara once used more advanced "remnant technologies", such as Jardaan starships. There's clearly a lot more going on than we've learned.
Do the kett tie in with this in some way? I'd assumed they were unfamiliar with the Scourge before arriving in Heleus, but that was an assumption. Nothing that is said actually suggests this. The kett hierarchy, whomever they are, acknowledged that the Archon was having to deal with the Scourge. Is this because he reported as much? Or were they already aware of it? Thats the question I want answered. Its implied the scourge isn't a problem elsewhere or thats the way I read it at least. Its interesting because Macen describes the scourge wound as having a euphoric effect. Its all connected somehow and again I'll draw a comparison to DAI. Red lyrium and our little dwarven arcanist. "I was floating and I thought all the thoughts." I think if we folliw DAI we might get answers. Angara = Elves. Scourge = Red Lyrim. I think the Scourge is an eezo-based WMD. I'm pretty certain that it's explicitly stated that extreme concentrations of eezo are present within it. I think it was also said that this eezo was different than naturally occurring eezo. Maybe it was created via the weapon's process? Or maybe the eezo was "lab created" and simply one component of the weapon? I missed the part about Macen's euphoria. I guess it's not surprising, given the Scourge's crazy effect upon sensors. I believe that very strong EM fields can cause confusion, euphoria and all manner of neurological symptoms. Maybe the Scourge is similar, or exactly so? |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 18, 2017 3:58:21 GMT
It's definitely set up for future dlc or MEA 2. Seems it was a weapon used by a enemy faction of the Jardaan. I'm sure once we pay for the next game we shall learn abit more!.😄 Seriously though it is very interesting and looking foward to learning more about it. My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. Calling it now: Jaardan were a synthetic race. They created angarans as organic servants And the angarans turned on their creators  |
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 18, 2017 4:12:54 GMT
My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. Calling it now: Jaardan were a synthetic race. They created angarans as organic servants And the angarans turned on their creators Damn it. It turns out I should've chosen Blue or Green. The Reapers' services are needed in Andromeda. |
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Post by Kelwing on Apr 18, 2017 18:05:33 GMT
If you look at info from datapad outside cryo. The year 2497 seems to hint at something happening. Messes with sensors.
Also the Angara are to the Jaardan as the Geth are to Quarians. That is how I see them.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 18, 2017 22:46:20 GMT
Heavy concentrations of eezo are also found built into the vaults so I was thinking one or probably several were sabotaged. By who and why is anyone guess atm
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 19, 2017 3:37:53 GMT
Thats the question I want answered. Its implied the scourge isn't a problem elsewhere or thats the way I read it at least. Its interesting because Macen describes the scourge wound as having a euphoric effect. Its all connected somehow and again I'll draw a comparison to DAI. Red lyrium and our little dwarven arcanist. "I was floating and I thought all the thoughts." I think if we folliw DAI we might get answers. Angara = Elves. Scourge = Red Lyrim. I think the Scourge is an eezo-based WMD. I'm pretty certain that it's explicitly stated that extreme concentrations of eezo are present within it. I think it was also said that this eezo was different than naturally occurring eezo. Maybe it was created via the weapon's process? Or maybe the eezo was "lab created" and simply one component of the weapon? I missed the part about Macen's euphoria. I guess it's not surprising, given the Scourge's crazy effect upon sensors. I believe that very strong EM fields can cause confusion, euphoria and all manner of neurological symptoms. Maybe the Scourge is similar, or exactly so? This is one of those weird times at which I'm moved to quote myself. I played the "Macen recording" scene tonight. He commented they the Scourge injury stung like hell, but that the Scourge is beautiful. I don't get the impression that his injury was euphoric. He was commenting on the Scourge's appearance. Many comment on its beauty in the novel; and Ryder and Suvi can have a similar conversation in-game. That's all I hear in Macen's comment. |
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 19, 2017 8:13:01 GMT
I've had similar suspicions. When Avela commented on how the centuries old artistic representation of the angara "couldn't be right", the suspicion took hold. She says, "Did we look like that?"
I suspect that the angara are made in the image of the Jardaan, and may even be Jardaan, in some sense. We seem to know that the angara once used more advanced "remnant technologies", such as Jardaan starships. There's clearly a lot more going on than we've learned.
Do the kett tie in with this in some way? I'd assumed they were unfamiliar with the Scourge before arriving in Heleus, but that was an assumption. Nothing that is said actually suggests this. The kett hierarchy, whomever they are, acknowledged that the Archon was having to deal with the Scourge. Is this because he reported as much? Or were they already aware of it? Thats the question I want answered. Its implied the scourge isn't a problem elsewhere or thats the way I read it at least. Its interesting because Macen describes the scourge wound as having a euphoric effect. Its all connected somehow and again I'll draw a comparison to DAI. Red lyrium and our little dwarven arcanist. "I was floating and I thought all the thoughts." I think if we folliw DAI we might get answers. Angara = Elves. Scourge = Red Lyrim. Macen says the Scourge is beautiful, not that his wound has an euphoric effect. Lots of people call the Scourge beautiful. The Jardaan seem to have created the Angara has part of their terraforming effort. Like they wanted to make a species that could leave in the worlds they were terraforming. The Scourge seems to specifically seek out Remnant tech, so I think it's unlikely that the Angara made it because we discover that before the Scourge arrived Angara used Remnant tech in their ships, so developing a weapon that would also seek out and destroy their own technology seems unlikely, particularly if it were part of a revolt. The Scourge also cut off Angaran worlds and destroyed habitable worlds that they were living on. We also have no evidence that the Jardaan were subjugating the Angaran at the time the Scourge appeared. While they did lose alot of their history - what remains doesn't mention the Jardaan at all, even though they do know that they used to be able to use Remnant tech more effectively than they do now and they know enough of their history to know the names of colonies that were lost. They also say that the Kett were the first alien race that they ever met. I don't think that something as big as 'we used to be slaves of another race' would have been 100% erased by their history, some artefacts and stories would have remained. I think it's more likely that the Jardaan were monitoring the Angara as part of an experiment to see how their society would develop and how they would evolve. The Jardaan might even have been worshipped as Gods by the early Angara Personally, I think that the Jardaan came from another part of Andromeda to perform a cluster as part of a grand experiment and instead of waiting for sentient life to evolve they created the Angara to observe and study. I would suggest that the Scourge was a WMD designed to wipe out the Jardaan and their tech by an unknown enemy. |
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 19, 2017 8:48:52 GMT
Completed the game a few times, and I admit - I skipped a few scenes I've read my codex entries, but I don't remember any solid answers about the Scourge. Not sure if the codex entry evolves to answer these questions but at 77% game completion +5th NG, it's still illusive. BUT- 1) Is it natural in Andromeda or made by the Jardaan/???/Kett 2) Was it tied to some event? 3) They didn't see it using the FTL Telescope? (I don't think they did) During the 'Meridian' mission- the Remnant space station story mission, second to last- the Scourge is covered. The Scourge is an artificial phenomenum, used as a weapon against the Jardaan (the Remnant builders), by an unknown force. The analogy given by Liam is that it was basically a 'minefield.' By implicit evidence of the planets and space ship ruins affected, the Scourge targetted Remnant tech- from planets to ships in space- and caused catastrophic damage, while leaving area-denial that shattered the survivors (the Angaara). The Scourge was triggered as an event, and did so within the last 600 years. This is why it wasn't seen by the FTL telescope before departure. We do not know who unleashed the scourge, or for what reason, just as we don't know if the Jardaan are extinct. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 19, 2017 9:47:14 GMT
Thats the question I want answered. Its implied the scourge isn't a problem elsewhere or thats the way I read it at least. Its interesting because Macen describes the scourge wound as having a euphoric effect. Its all connected somehow and again I'll draw a comparison to DAI. Red lyrium and our little dwarven arcanist. "I was floating and I thought all the thoughts." I think if we folliw DAI we might get answers. Angara = Elves. Scourge = Red Lyrim. Macen says the Scourge is beautiful, not that his wound has an euphoric effect. Lots of people call the Scourge beautiful. The Jardaan seem to have created the Angara has part of their terraforming effort. Like they wanted to make a species that could leave in the worlds they were terraforming. The Scourge seems to specifically seek out Remnant tech, so I think it's unlikely that the Angara made it because we discover that before the Scourge arrived Angara used Remnant tech in their ships, so developing a weapon that would also seek out and destroy their own technology seems unlikely, particularly if it were part of a revolt. The Scourge also cut off Angaran worlds and destroyed habitable worlds that they were living on. We also have no evidence that the Jardaan were subjugating the Angaran at the time the Scourge appeared. While they did lose alot of their history - what remains doesn't mention the Jardaan at all, even though they do know that they used to be able to use Remnant tech more effectively than they do now and they know enough of their history to know the names of colonies that were lost. They also say that the Kett were the first alien race that they ever met. I don't think that something as big as 'we used to be slaves of another race' would have been 100% erased by their history, some artefacts and stories would have remained. I think it's more likely that the Jardaan were monitoring the Angara as part of an experiment to see how their society would develop and how they would evolve. The Jardaan might even have been worshipped as Gods by the early Angara Personally, I think that the Jardaan came from another part of Andromeda to perform a cluster as part of a grand experiment and instead of waiting for sentient life to evolve they created the Angara to observe and study. I would suggest that the Scourge was a WMD designed to wipe out the Jardaan and their tech by an unknown enemy. Macen says it feels wonderful. Not that it looks pretty. |
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Post by dazk on Apr 20, 2017 10:23:40 GMT
It's definitely set up for future dlc or MEA 2. Seems it was a weapon used by a enemy faction of the Jardaan. I'm sure once we pay for the next game we shall learn abit more!.😄 Seriously though it is very interesting and looking foward to learning more about it. My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. What if the Jaardaan are the remnant and the Angaraa are a designed biological form they downloaded themselves into? |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 20, 2017 10:47:39 GMT
My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. What if the Jaardaan are the remnant and the Angaraa are a designed biological form they downloaded themselves into? Maybe..... |
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 20, 2017 10:58:36 GMT
My guess is civil war. The Angara seem to be space elves in this. So I'm going for Angara are the Jardaan or they rose up against them. What if the Jaardaan are the remnant and the Angaraa are a designed biological form they downloaded themselves into? Yeah I'm quessing too that the Scourge was deployed in a civil war of some sort... What caused it though? I reckon some of the Jardaan felt they went too far with creating the Angara (too arrogant, too unnatural or the like)- If the Jardaan were an AI race, then you have to ask again who created them? If you return of the artifacts (a pilot's helmet if memory serves) to the Angaran curator on Aya, Ryder throws out the idea that maybe the Scourge targeted them because they had Rem-tech in them. |
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Post by Obadiah on May 10, 2017 13:01:32 GMT
Anyone consider that the Scourge may be the result of the Crucible blast at the end of ME3? The blast in the cinematic did look like an FTL wave.
Could it be some sort of corrupt version of the FTL explosion (similar to the low EMS Destroy option that destroyed Earth) that ended up targeting AI everywhere? Perhaps corrupted via transmission through worm holes or black holes or something. It would be kind of elegant if we were dealing with unintended fallout from the WMD in another galaxy.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 11, 2017 2:19:03 GMT
Actually, that would be pretty funny if the Crucible were responsible for the problems in MEA. It saved the Milky Way but screwed things up for the people of Andromeda. Though that's a long way for the blast to go.
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Post by Iakus on May 11, 2017 20:23:08 GMT
Actually, that would be pretty funny if the Crucible were responsible for the problems in MEA. It saved the Milky Way but screwed things up for the people of Andromeda. Though that's a long way for the blast to go. Eh, the Crucible blast apparently permeated every solar system in the Milky Way galaxy in moments, whether it had a relay or not. Who knows what it could do to Andromeda? |
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Post by Obadiah on May 13, 2017 20:33:00 GMT
Just some further reference stuff from the Codex near the end of the game: |
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on May 13, 2017 21:33:31 GMT
Anyone consider that the Scourge may be the result of the Crucible blast at the end of ME3? The blast in the cinematic did look like an FTL wave. Could it be some sort of corrupt version of the FTL explosion (similar to the low EMS Destroy option that destroyed Earth) that ended up targeting AI everywhere? Perhaps corrupted via transmission through worm holes or black holes or something. It would be kind of elegant if we were dealing with unintended fallout from the WMD in another galaxy. Interesting pov. But wouldn't the AI ships have been affected in a damaging way, prior to their run in with the scourge? The Normandy ended up crash landing because of the Citadel. Saying this keeping in mind the Hyperion took damage from the scourge, but we do not know if there was any damage beforehand. |
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Post by duskwanderer on May 13, 2017 22:05:07 GMT
I doubt that the Scourge was a remnant of the Crucible: The arks would've been affected by it in transit before it hit them. They wouldn't have traveled very far in the half a year between 2 and 3.
But to answer the questions: No, the Scourge is not natural, it's been equated to landmines, but made of dark energy. It was created by someone who opposed the Jaardan (and might be Jaardan themselves).
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I've read my codex entries, but I don't remember any solid answers about the Scourge. Not sure if the codex entry evolves to answer these questions but at 77% game completion +5th NG, it's still illusive.
