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Post by snook on Apr 17, 2017 20:54:57 GMT
Bored and feel like brainstorming, and I've been rapidly getting more excited for the hypothetical Dragon Age 4 so I've just been mulling over what I'd like from the companions in DA4. So have at it.
For me:
The mages:
A female Tal-Vashoth Sareebas. I feel like this one's been a long time coming. But maybe as a twist, have her as our spirit healer, and tie it in to her character - in a desperate bid to counteract the Tal-Vashoth tendency to go rabid, she turned to a gentler side of magic rather than the unhinged destruction typical of Sareebas. Maybe she could be Dragon Age's first 'druid.'
A Tevinter Magister/Altus is a given. Maybe rather than a rebel have a bit more of a traditional Magister...Though it'd be tough to make that kind of character sympathetic in any way.
Some kind of elven mage. I can't really think of character specifics, but an elven perspective is definitely necessary given the Solas plot.
The rogues:
The anti-Sebastian - the exiled prince, maybe from the van Markham family in Nevarra or something, but rather than being a pious brother, he became an outlaw. Be it Robin Hood style or just straight up cutthroat. I just really like my morally questionable characters.
Maybe an Avvar? An archer of some sort.
A 'squib,' a member of a prestigious mage family who was born without magical abilities.
Warriors:
A Tevinter Templar would be interesting. They sound so different than the southern order, like more of a formality than a real order, so I'd like to see how that shapes its members.
A proper grizzled Grey Warden. Not the Blackwall bait and switch, the real deal.
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Can't think of any more for now. Would be interested to hear what everyone else is hoping for. :S
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 21:01:06 GMT
I have 2 guesses that I'm almost sure of 1-Scout Harding 2-Maeveris Tilani I strong believe these two will be companions I don't think a Serebaas can walk in Tevinter easily so that's off the table. A Tevinter supermacist can be a good companion we have never had that kind before. A Tevinter templar seems like a good idea and perhaps a Nevarran dragon Hunter? I really hope Bethany/Carver would be companions but that's just wishful thinking. We can have a hired Antivan Crow as a rogue who is still loyal to the order And of course it cannot be a DA game without a Grey Warden companion
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Post by snook on Apr 17, 2017 21:23:08 GMT
I don't think a Serebaas can walk in Tevinter easily so that's off the table. I think they could probably explain that somehow. Perhaps she's managed to earn some respect from key members of the Magisterium with her abilities, or if she's a healer like I suggested has helped enough for the guards to let her walk freely.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 17, 2017 21:32:41 GMT
Mages: - Elven Mage. One of the ancients, a follower of the Evanuris and enemy of Solas. Joins the resistance for a chance of revenge. - Calpernia. If our new protagonist works for the Inquisition, Calpernia could've been captured and brought in for judgement. Inquisitor can then decide her fate: imprisonment, execution or conscription. If conscripted she becomes a companion (like Howe in DAA).
Rogues: - I would like a human companion who follows the Qun. Perhaps from Seheron. - Bianca. I thought she'd be a great companion since the first time I played DAI. Her story is interesting and she can replace Varric. Through her we can still hear about him and perhaps even learn something new. Not sure how her husband would feel about her traveling to Tevinter, though. Somehow I think Scout Harding is the more likely dwarf companion option (not too excited about that myself).
Warriors: - Avvar male companion. A good chance to learn more about the Avvar. Adventurous type with hint of arrogance and mischief. Mix of Tormund and Ragnar basically. - Tevinter Soldier. Loyal to his homeland (all of it, might question things at times, but ultimately is a soldier and will follow even bad orders. We've already had Dorian, Maevaris and Calpernia, all who want to change Tevinter from within, so it would be good to have someone who remains loyal to Tevinter). From prestigious Tevinter noble family, only son of a Magister, was a disappointment due to being born without magic.
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Post by oyabun on Apr 17, 2017 22:05:01 GMT
I don't even know who are the companions of DA4 so I'm unable to create anything for the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 22:19:00 GMT
I don't think a Serebaas can walk in Tevinter easily so that's off the table. I think they could probably explain that somehow. Perhaps she's managed to earn some respect from key members of the Magisterium with her abilities, or if she's a healer like I suggested has helped enough for the guards to let her walk freely. Still it's hard to imagine but maybe if she is not a "qunari" qunari but from some othere race it would be possible but that doesn't cover your expectation
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Post by snook on Apr 17, 2017 23:29:30 GMT
I don't even know who are the companions of DA4 so I'm unable to create anything for the topic. I think they could probably explain that somehow. Perhaps she's managed to earn some respect from key members of the Magisterium with her abilities, or if she's a healer like I suggested has helped enough for the guards to let her walk freely. Still it's hard to imagine but maybe if she is not a "qunari" qunari but from some othere race it would be possible but that doesn't cover your expectation Well, they could also just make it so she pulls an Isabela at the Qunari compound and disappears whenever you're in the noble district or Minrathous.
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Post by xerrai on Apr 17, 2017 23:35:25 GMT
Rogues: Tevinter Human Praesumptor: An ex-slave turned praesumptor (shadowy thief) who participates in Tevinter politics.
A Rivaini Pirate: Is a pirate who has a history of engaging in Tevinter's black market be it information or stolen goods.
Female Dwarf Carta member: A carta member who has something of a rivalry with the residential dwarven ambassadoria from Orzamaar. Is honestly just here so we can fiannally get a female dwarf companion.....and maybe get a romance out of it.
Warriors: Prisoner Qunari: A Qunari of unknown alignment due to how she was captured by Tevinter forces during one of Par Vollen's many skirmishes against Tevinter forces. Previously kept as a "trophy", this strong qunari warrior appears to be tal-vashoth in mindset, but you can't help but wonder if he/she is truly believes in the Qun philosophy or not.
Tevinter Templar: Once part of the Tevinter military, he joined the templar order at some point. An old acquaintance of the now deceased Lord Seeker Lambert. Upon looking at Lambert's track record, and the subsequent Mage-Templar war that erupted under his watch, he may or may not wonder what the "proper" way to treat mages should be. I'm not sure how his character arc should look like though. It could go anywhere.
A Elven Tranquil: A tranquil more or less left in Tevinter when the mage-templar war broke out because he/she was working in Tevinter at the time (scribe? Embassador? Not to sure). Being no longer a mage allowed this tranquil to learn swordplay--something she thought was logical due to the tranquils tenuous place in the world once the mage templar war came out. It was logical to learn how to defend him/herself. Especially with how certain Tevinter magisters (*cough* Venatori *cough*) tend to treat tranquil as little better than resources to be used.
Mages: Apostate Elf: An apostate elf of suspicious origin. We all know apostates always betray us in the past (ex. Morrigan, Anders, Solas), but I honestly just want Bioware to create a "mysterious elven apostate" that every player expects to betray them (either to Solas or for their own agenda), only to turn their own trope on their head and be like "Lol! Nope! This one won't betray you. It was the deceptively normal X that was going to betray you the whole time!".
Tevinter Laetan Mage: Not an altus or magister, this mage is of the laetan class and thus not allowed the same amount of privilege everyone else. Can help explore the life of the lower class mages in Tevinter who do not engage in Tevinter's decadence like others tend to do.
Southern Andrastian Mage: A mage who used to be from Southern Thedas and has had experience with both the Circle of Magi and the College of Enchanters. But due to feeling no place actually fit her, decided to join up with the Mage cabal (Mages' Collective) near Tevinter to pursue her own goals. Given her history with both southern arcane institutions, he/she can be used to explore how the mages are being treated and managed down south.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 17, 2017 23:50:53 GMT
Ah, what a fun topic! A Qunari merchant, farmer, or some other non-military type. Maybe not as a combat companion, but someone in the camp/base. We've gotten such a skewed perception of Qunari since we've only met their soldiers and spies. Another shade. I know we already had Cole, but I don't care. Moooooore shades. Never too many shades. I would die of happiness if DA4's protagonist was a shade, though I know that likely won't happen (people sometimes find spirits hard to relate to). Someone who knows something, anything about the titans. Probably a dwarf? Though I'm guessing titan-linked dwarves have even less desire to visit the surface than regular dwarves. The titans have got to have some kind of surfacer presence though, right? Maybe Dagna can pop in with some more insights. Of course I want Maevaris. She's nice like Dorian, except that she actually knows what she's doing. And it would be fantastic to see Dorian reprising as well. I was re-watching some old scenes and remembering how awesome his voice actor is, it got me all hype to see him again. Charter would be an interesting pick. Like several commenters, I'd like to have an Avvar companion. A Rivaini medium would be interesting too, though I think most of them got killed when the Dairsmuid circle was annulled. I'm curious what's happening in Starkhaven for various tinfoil-y reasons, so a Starkhaven perspective could be interesting. If someone has a dark secret, I can imagine them being part of the Executors (Those Across the Sea). I'm still trying to figure out what the hell happened that drove both the humans and Qunari off the northern continent. What. Is. Up. There? And of course getting some local people of interest, like fog warriors, magisters, escaped slaves, liberati, soporati, people with cool hoods, people with obsidian swords, Tevinter mages-in-training (to compare to southern circle mage experience), miscellaneous Qunari, whoever makes those towers, etc. would be cool. Oh also Calpernia.
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Post by Hrungr on Apr 18, 2017 0:18:45 GMT
Calpernia (Mage) - I think it's a good to have a controversial companion. Someone who most (but not all) will initially dislike, if not outright hate. But eventually some people will come around based on laudable traits she does have - anti-slavery, anti-abuse, pro "reformed" Tevinter... Likely learned a great deal of ancient Tevinter and forgotten magic from when the empire was at it's height.
Scout Harding (Rogue) - Because we need someone with a positive, witty outlook. Likely Calpernia's #1 nemesis.
Rasaan (Warrior-Rogue Hybrid) - The high ranking Quanri from "Those Who Speak". We'll likely have to ally with the Qunari at some point to oppose Solas. Rasaan would be a good choice as she could act as a bridge to the Arishok (Sten). And might be fun to have a questline working alongside the Arishok.
Avvar (Mage or Warrior-Mage Hybrid) - The Avvar have a very interesting take on magic & gods. I'd love to see an spirit-joined Avvar and how their perspective might shake up the establishment in Tevinter and with the Qunari.
Ancient Elf (A Mage-Rogue Hybrid) - Someone open about being one of the Ancients and offering insight into their culture. Perhaps secretly working for the Evanuris against Solas.
Brother/Sister in the Tevinter hierarchy (Non-Mages). I thought it would be interesting to see a family dynamic in the team that you weren't a part of. And with people who weren't just more scheming magisters.
The Outsider. We need an interesting character that really stands apart from the rest - like Shale or Cole might. Eleni Zinovia?
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Post by dragontartare on Apr 18, 2017 0:59:07 GMT
I like your ideas, so running with them...
The mages:
A Tal-Vashoth Sareebas. (YES)
A Tevinter Magister/Altus. Somebody somewhat traditional (slave owner), but with enough sense to see that it's better to cooperate for now. Maybe they can be brought around to the "good" side through the course of the game, depending on the player's choices. An older character would be nice, too. Enough with these 20-something whippersnappers.
Some kind of elven mage. I'd love to see an escaped slave or liberati. The magic ability and corresponding shift in viewpoint should hopefully prevent the writers from creating Fenris 2.0. (I love Fenris, but I want a new character here.)
The rogues:
The anti-Sebastian Meh. How about Scout Harding actually joins us in the field? I think we'll need her calming influence here.
Maybe an Avvar? An archer of some sort. (agreed)
A 'squib,' a member of a prestigious mage family who was born without magical abilities. (Awesome idea. Makes for even more drama with the mage above.)
Warriors:
A Tevinter Templar would be interesting. That would be awesome to see. Also would create more drama with our Altus up there. Good grief, look at this party we're forming. Can you imagine??
A proper grizzled Grey Warden. Meh. Blackwall bored me even when I thought he really was a GW. I could accept a grizzled GW as long as he (or she) doesn't have Blackwall's holier-than-thou complex.
Another liberati? Maybe this one and the mage are siblings, and this one helped the mage escape from their master. They intended to join Solas, but claim to have had a change of heart. Maybe they really have, maybe they haven't.
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Post by snook on Apr 18, 2017 1:24:28 GMT
Good grief, look at this party we're forming. Can you imagine?? Yeah, I see your point about needing a calming presence like Harding. Wouldn't be Dragon Age without the ol' 'bunch of crazies at each other's throats but with one normal person.' Usually a dwarf. :S
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 18, 2017 2:05:53 GMT
Good grief, look at this party we're forming. Can you imagine?? Yeah, I see your point about needing a calming presence like Harding. Wouldn't be Dragon Age without the ol' 'bunch of crazies at each other's throats but with one normal person.' Usually a dwarf. :S Boy are we going to be in trouble when the titans do... whatever they're doing. Ah, my trusty, level-headed dwarf companion! How are you this fine day? Errrr, hello? I, uhhh, I don't mean to alarm you, but your eyes are glowing. I'm sure it's nothing to worry about! Strong silent type I see. Well, it'll be a nice break from all the squabbling. Nothing like a nice, benign dwarf who can't dream or get possessed or- WHAT IS THAT! YOU CAN'T CAST SPELLS YOU'RE A-
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 18, 2017 4:58:01 GMT
Romanceable Harding.
All I really need.
I do like the Tal-Vashoth Sareebas though.
I'm not sure I want another Warden companion, maybe if we can really have one that is all that different than what we've had so far. I would like to know what happened to all the Amaranthine Wardens though...
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 18, 2017 7:10:08 GMT
I'm not sure I want another Warden companion, maybe if we can really have one that is all that different than what we've had so far. I would like to know what happened to all the Amaranthine Wardens though... So far we've only had a rookie, a turncoat and a pretender. I'd like a real veteran Warden as our companion, someone like Genevieve or Duncan (preferably a female though, since all previous Warden companions have been human males). Maybe not in the next game but somewhere along the line.
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 18, 2017 7:23:45 GMT
I'm not sure I want another Warden companion, maybe if we can really have one that is all that different than what we've had so far. I would like to know what happened to all the Amaranthine Wardens though... So far we've only had a rookie, a turncoat and a pretender. I'd like a real veteran Warden as our companion, someone like Genevieve or Duncan (preferably a female though, since all previous Warden companions have been human males). Maybe not in the next game but somewhere along the line. Very true. After thinking about it some more, I'd actually like to see one of the more ruthless or pragmatic ones as a party member. One that embodies more the reality of their role than the ideals of it. But definitely female.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 18, 2017 7:39:24 GMT
- Older, grizzled butch lesbian warrior who's pragmatic and cynical... also plot relevant, please
- Scout Harding, except fleshed out more, given some depth, and given some major plot relevance
- Girly hetero rogue woman who's a former Fog Warrior
- Maevaris
- Vashoth who was born outside the Qun and despises it
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 18, 2017 11:31:01 GMT
First up, I think that we should return to the DA2 idea of companions having their own unique set of skills, so when you take your speciality class, it isn't simply a repeat of one that your companions already have and they can bring some interesting extra diverse skills to the table.
Top of my wish list for mages would be a Rivaini Seer, but male. That would account for him being in Tevinter because he resents the fact that in Rivain, women are considered superior to men when it comes to ruling society. However, he would still be connected to his pantheist roots when it comes to religion and have a different tradition when it comes to magic. Probably fairly neutral when it comes to Tevinter but would hate the Qun, if nothing else because they force gender specific roles on you too and mistreat mages.
Second up would be a Fog Dancer, who I assume are the mage equivalent of Fog Warriors. They are the lore keepers for their culture and also responsible for creating the fog that help their warriors in battle. So would be able to pass on lots of new, interesting lore and again have a different outlook on magic. May be they would have been taken prisoner in the conflict and would have to be freed by the PC. Would hate Tevinter and the Qun equally.
Third option could be a non-Altus mage, either Laetans or Liberati. A Laetans might be interesting, particularly if they were the first of the family to be a mage and so were the reason for their family's elevation in society. They might well feel the weight of responsibility for their family's future prosperity and might even be ultra ambitious as a result.
For rogues in think a fully fledged Tevinter Assassin might be interesting. Dorian states that they could teach the Crows a few things. They'd probably have a few Tempest skills thrown into the mix or even some sort of semi-magic ability, just to reflect their Tevinter background and the latent magic existing in the population.
Another rogue could be a Qunari agent (like Tallis only less annoying) and less upfront about it. I thinking they will want to balance out the sympathies on display a bit because I've a feeling you may be asked to pick sides in the end in your mission against Solas and it won't be clear cut which is the best choice. It may even be the case that some idiot Tevinter mages want him to drop the Veil because they think it will give them more power. So the Qunari agent will be there to redress the balance and give a way into getting help from Par Vollen.
As for warriors, I'd really like to see the return of the Spirit Warrior, either as a playable specialisation or a companion. It makes sense that up in Tevinter they would have found a way to encourage spirits to link up with non-mages to enhance their abilities, particularly when faced with magical opposition. May be they could belong to a special order of Knights or even be an underground sect because the Magisters don't approve of Soporati having spirit allies.
Looking at the Core Rulebook, there is a class known as an Ander Survivor. People from this background have grown up in the Anderfels and thus are naturally tough both physically and mentally. May be they were even considering being a Grey Warden but became disillusioned by the current attitude of the First Warden in their country, so set out to make their future elsewhere.
Whether as a rogue or a fighter, it might be interesting to have an Altus noble who lacks magical ability. They would likely be disowned by their family or at least disinherited because of their lack of magical ability and so have a similar perspective to the mage noble in the south, because they can never inherit the family estate and titles. They could feel strongly about wishing to improve the status of both Soporati and slaves in society but not actually hate magic.
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Post by lordcommanderdoge on Apr 18, 2017 16:32:45 GMT
I like some of the ideas y'all posted. So I made my own list, somewhat inspired by the ones above. I decided upon the same race and sex ratio as in DAI. I also like the personal specializations from DA2, they gave more personality to the companions.
Mages: - a former elven slave, freed for his magic and trained properly; this instalment's token arrogant asshole, possibly a blood mage (male elf) - a Marcher apostate who came to Tevinter to get some education, basically a magic nerd and self-taught prodigy, big into explosions (male human) - a Rivaini seer, a more quiet type to counterweight the other two mages (female human)
Rogues: - a female Vashoth, raised outside the Qun (female qunari) - a former tranquil, who lost the ability to cast after the procedure was reversed; raised in a family of hunters he's good with a bow and/or daggers (male human) - a Grey Warden who strongly believes that the ends justify the means (like the ones at Adamant), city-born elf (female elf)
Warriors: - a templar from Tevinter, a member of a noble house born without magic (male human) - an Avvar; no more details, any Avvar would do, really (male human) - a young Ferelden-born dwarven mercenary (male dwarf)
And a pet as an additional companion like in DA2. Preferably a mabari, but I wouldn't be picky.
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Post by fylimar on Apr 18, 2017 17:00:55 GMT
So many great ideas - I hope, Bioware takes some inspiration here I'll give it a try too, without gender, I'm open there to whom is what: returning characters: I think Dorian and Scout HArding are very likely mages: - If Dorian is a companion again, maybe a hardcore Tevinter magister as a counter? - The idea of the Rivaini Seer is interesting and also that Fog Dancer - generally someone of a different magic tradition rogues: - Scout Harding - I like my rogues funny and witty, but here I would also like to see someone from a culture, we haven't really encountered yet fighter: - a Tevinter templar would be interesting - a Nevarran dragon hunter - an Avvar or a Fog warrior? Or maybe a Chasind finally? Generally I would like to see some diversity in the characters, diverent backgrounds, different world views. They did a good job with that in DAI imo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 19:39:33 GMT
I just want different species represented and for most of them to be pretty/handsome, and no apologies like in DA2. Smaller crew as well, two picks from each profession, not three.
From the returning characters, I’d like to see Nathaniel Howe back as a rogue, and tbh, nobody else. It’s not going to happen, so no returns.
I assumed Dorian will be an advisor, rather than joinable.
I don’t have a grip on the lore, but I would not mind from what was mentioned & backgrounds I can sort of see:
1. a Tevinter Templar, for sure. From, you know, tevinter. So, feeling humble and trying to do good vs actually evil mages.Dorian's friend and co-cosnpirator would be good. 2. a Fog Warrior Character as a warrior 3. a rebellious Qunari male, mage – the only one I really want as a male, and a looker, and an LI 4. a questor mage, exactly the way Dorian described it, a son or a daughter of peasants, struggling with the sharks after his or her gift “upjumped” him/her 5. an elven slave artist, likely sculptor, turned rogue, because bards are cool, and there could never be enough bards, and Tevinter art is awesome judging by the décor of my Keep. 6. And, I suppose we gotta have a dwarf, and a romanced one, since we never really had one. Was Scout Harding one? Then fine, whatever. People seem to like her. I am guessing she is a ranger style rogue. If not, than a dwarven ranger style rogue.
Finally, something that can change class stance like Treek did in SWTOR and be just cool:
7. A bound demon instead of a spirit or a demon-possessed item as a companion (magic orb, skull, sword, whatever) we have not seen that forever
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Post by snook on Apr 18, 2017 19:53:34 GMT
I've been thinking about the Tevinter Templar more. Maybe a character kind of like Barristan Selmy from GoT; a morally good man, but a loyal one, who knows the regime he's defending is corrupt but is too dedicated to turn on them. Maybe our older mentor character.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 19:59:54 GMT
I've been thinking about the Tevinter Templar more. Maybe a character kind of like Barristan Selmy from GoT; a morally good man, but a loyal one, who knows the regime he's defending is corrupt but is too dedicated to turn on them. Maybe our older mentor character. Hot guys, pls, no older than 40. We earned it after Blackwall and Iron Bull.
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Post by snook on Apr 18, 2017 20:36:48 GMT
I've been thinking about the Tevinter Templar more. Maybe a character kind of like Barristan Selmy from GoT; a morally good man, but a loyal one, who knows the regime he's defending is corrupt but is too dedicated to turn on them. Maybe our older mentor character. Hot guys, pls, no older than 40. We earned it after Blackwall and Iron Bull. >Implying silver foxes can't be hawt too Bahhhh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 20:57:37 GMT
Hot guys, pls, no older than 40. We earned it after Blackwall and Iron Bull. >Implying silver foxes can't be hawt too Bahhhh Yup. I prefer protagonist and the team to be in the same age category, unless they are not intended for romance. And I want to romance a nice knight, I have not been given a chance in all three DA games to date.
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