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Post by nougat on Apr 18, 2017 8:48:12 GMT
People expressing unorthodox, rarely voiced opinions is my jam, so here we go. All Dragon Age games count. Please, do share your heresies and blasphemies. The more the better. (P.S. I checked confessions thread and I do believe that purpose of this particular thread is not the same. This thread shares the idea with the ME-related one.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 9:25:49 GMT
I don't really like any of the romance choices in DAI Male Hawke's voice actor sounds good only if you play as red Hawke The tactics system in DAO is unnecerily detailed Even though I tried really hard mage Hawke doesn't make sense at all (mage champion armor is the best looking one though) Velanna should've taken place of Anders or Merill in DA2 I really like crafting in DAI I really don't like Alistair and take Loghain to my party in every PT
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Post by leadintea on Apr 18, 2017 9:37:48 GMT
I don't care one way or the other for Solas and I hope he's the second act boss in DA4 so that we can get a more exciting antagonist.
I value the common people more than both mages and templars and can see nothing but misfortune from trying to integrate mages into normal Thedosian societies.
Dorian is just as much of a manchild as Alistair and I feel as though he doesn't get criticized like Alistair does just because of his sexuality.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 18, 2017 9:49:16 GMT
It shouldn't have been possible for Alistair to become king of Ferelden.
First of all, he's a bastard and there's no proof of his parentage. He might as well be a pretender - why on earth would the nobility of Ferelden accept him as their king?
Secondly, he's a Grey Warden. Wardens were just not so long ago allowed to return to Ferelden after being exiled for attempted coup. Now you expect me to believe people would just accept him as their king? Not to mention, Wardens are not to meddle with politics. There's already unrest in Weisshaupt with rumors about the First Warden attempting to seize power in the Anderfells, but they just overlook Alistair abandoning the order to play king? Makes no sense, especially considering how secretive the Wardens are and now Alistair's main loyalty must be to his kingdom, so realistically he could be a threat to the Wardens.
Thirdly, he has no credibility. He's not a leader and has no idea what it means to be a king. Yet suddenly (according to the codex entries in various games) he's a good king? Just like that? Pffft. There should've been consequences for giving the throne to an inexperienced moron like Alistair, rebellions and attempted coups, smallfolk revolts, diplomatic incidents with other nations (especially Orlais), keeping arl Eamon and the Warden busy since they're probably the ones who'd have to clean up after Alistair's mistakes. I think he'd be a catastrophic king and it's a shame the games don't reflect these choices realistically (instead every out come is pretty much the same for Alistair and Anora).
I think Alistair either should never have been an option to be a king or if he was his reign should have been anything but happy and peaceful. Eamon would have been a much better choice for king, just like Alistair himself said.
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Post by eriador117 on Apr 18, 2017 10:18:21 GMT
I've never liked Origins as much as I love DA2 and DAI.
I love my male Hawke and I always save him in the Fade. I have no qualms about sacrificing Loghain, Alistair or Stroud to save Hawke. I did try to leave him behind once, but then I got to the scene with Varric and I had to reload an earlier save.
I wish Cullen and Solas could have been male romance options in DAI.
I was very disappointed that there wasn't an option for Dorian and the Quizzy to get married in Trespasser. It would have made sense for them if you'd picked, "I want more than fun" earlier on and it could have showed Dorian how acceptable it was to be with another man.
I wish we could have found out about the what the characters in Awakening are doing now, even if it was only war table missions.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 18, 2017 11:35:56 GMT
DA2 is the best in the DA series, and Hawke is the best hero ever.
The friendship/rivalry system isn't perfect, but quite enjoyable.
The Inquisitor could been a mindless indoor plant, if has the mark. His/her decisions don't matter much more than Hawke's. The advisors are the Inquisition's real leaders
I want to see the Templar side in Inquisition, but I don't see any logical reason to follow ser Barris.
I don't like Dorian's character so much. He is stereotypical, his backstory is a teaching tale.
Dorian better as friend, than as LI.
Varric isn't neutral in DA2.
Kirkwall Chantry wasn't a sanctuary; bandits, Templars and Petrice's mobs fought there, and Elthina doesn't care about it. I think, the people tried to avoid that dangerous place. Lothering and Redcliffe Chantry was a sanctuary.
Bethany hates the Circle.
Anders was right, his tool was questionable, but necessary.
Anders isn't anarchist, his goal isn't the chaos, just the freedom.
Anders doesn't want to die, and to become martyr, if Hawke befriends with him. Anders/Justice merely capable of accept the death sentence.
I don't have any problem with blood magic; the problem is the user.
The Templars are Dark Knights, who serve a bad system, but even victims.
The Mage–Templar war isn't about "grey morality"; the Mages are slaves.
Perhaps, Calenhad Tower is the best Circle in Southern Thedas, but still a terrible place.
Every Circle Mages and Templars are damaged, someone more, someone less, but none of them intact.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 18, 2017 12:02:57 GMT
- DAI is a great game. It has expanded the lore, the OST is beautiful, the side quests are entertaining and I absolutely love the characters.
- Male Hawke's VA > Female Hawke's VA when it comes to the humorous version.
- Merrill is not a cute, innocent puppy. Sometimes she insults other companions during banter for no reason. It's subtle sarcasm, but it's there.
- Zevran is the ugliest elf in the franchise after Cammen.
- Alistair should not be king. The war table mission where he deals with Celene shows that he never learns the art of politics. And in the graphic novels taking place just before the events of DAI he is STILL whining about how he doesn't want to be on the throne, so crowning him is also a mistake for the happiness factor.
Those are wishes, not unpopular opinions.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 18, 2017 12:05:32 GMT
[...] - Merrill is not a cute, innocent puppy. Sometimes she insults other companions during banter for no reason. It's subtle sarcasm, but it's there. [...] Oh! This is what I forget from my list. True. (I like Merrill, but she's not that simple naive flower.)
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Post by Iddy on Apr 18, 2017 12:10:33 GMT
[...] - Merrill is not a cute, innocent puppy. Sometimes she insults other companions during banter for no reason. It's subtle sarcasm, but it's there. [...] Oh! This is what I forget from my list. True. (I like Merrill, but she's not that simple naive flower.) And I agree about Varric not being neutral. He is pro templar in DA2. I don't remember the exact words, but he doesn't react positively to siding with the mages in the end of Act 3.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 18, 2017 12:19:13 GMT
Oh! This is what I forget from my list. True. (I like Merrill, but she's not that simple naive flower.) And I agree about Varric not being neutral. He is pro templar in DA2. I don't remember the exact words, but he doesn't react positively to siding with the mages in the end of Act 3. At Mage side: "I'm not sure I agree with letting dangerous people run amok."At Templar side: "But this: defending innocent people preserving our way of life? This is worth doing."He's probably not a real pro-Templar, but likes the stability and peace. (Even Fenris more enthusiastic, if finally makes up his mind to support the mages.)
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 18, 2017 12:37:26 GMT
Oghren is the best companion
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:43:19 GMT
Oghren is the best companion This is one of the most popular opinions
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Post by Iddy on Apr 18, 2017 12:55:08 GMT
Oghren is the best companion This is one of the most popular opinions Nah. Plenty of people can't stand him. He is a fandom dividing character like Vivienne, but without the 20 page long debates.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 13:15:43 GMT
This is one of the most popular opinions Nah. Plenty of people can't stand him. He is a fandom dividing character like Vivienne, but without the 20 page long debates. OK that's just wrong. I feel sorry for those people
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Post by phoray on Apr 18, 2017 13:58:33 GMT
This reminds me of the confessions thread. But the one on my mind is this... Anders and Justice are still separate beings and can be safely parted. Rivaling Anders is the first step to help maintain the separation so he can get help from Rivain/Avaar/Tevinter. This isn't meant to hurt Anders or Justice, I just agree that the merging was a mistake. ZemgusPretty sure there is information in World of Thedas about how there were problems when he became King. his parentage was brought into question for over a year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 14:05:43 GMT
DA2 is the best game of the franchise, and BioWare should have kept Hawke and the formula, only adding the new area artwork. In whatever engine they used.
Female Hawke voice is terrible
DA:I cc is the worst cc in all BioWare games.
Tresspasser is the worst ending in any BioWare game
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 18, 2017 14:27:32 GMT
Unpopular Opinion 1: it's not evil to save the dreadnought With Bull included, choosing to save the Chargers sacrifices 14 lives for each person saved. If we were given a blood ritual with that ratio, and could see/talk to the 100 people we were killing to save 7, it would be considered the evil choice. Because they're hidden in the dreadnought, and because they're "mindless Qunari", we treat them as if they aren't real. To quote the Inquisitor: "You'd murder countless people?" Didn't you, to save your own?
Unpopular Opinion 2: something doesn't add up in All New, Faded For Her First of all, people laugh at the guy for saying he's the foremost expert in the Kirkwall Circle, but that actually is impressive. Arguably, the mages that survived the thin Veil, an attempted (or successful!) annulment, then lived for years on their own are either extremely lucky or more skilled than the average apostate. The mage-templar war didn't start in earnest for several years after the incident in Kirkwall, so these guys have been living as apostates for much longer than their peers. Their peers, by the way, ran crying to Tevinter almost immediately after the Circles dissolved. It's really odd that they'd suddenly want demon protection from bandits, unless there's something else going on.
Also, and I admit this is probably artistic license, the timeline is fishy. Solas has his dream in Skyhold, many-weeks journey from the Exalted Plains. But the mages haven't been fighting the demon for weeks. All three of them have hair or facial hair styles that would have required shaving in the past couple days. Furthermore, they don't get much time to explain what they saw, since Solas interrupts them multiple times.
"You summoned it... to protect you from the bandits."
"I... yes." <--- clearly wants to explain more, but would prefer the angry elf man would stop talking and start helping.
(possible elaborations: "I summoned it to become a spirit healer, but it turned on me later," "we wanted advice on defeating the bandits but found out this spirit was encouraging some guy to destroy the world, so we had to stop it," etc.)
"You bound it to obedience, then commanded it to kill" *does not wait for confirmation* "Inquisitor, if we break the circle we break the binding. No orders to kill, no conflict with its nature, no demon."
Obviously it's more likely that Solas is correct, but I'd feel much better if the mages had any chance to explain their side of the story.
Unpopular Opinion 3: the surest way of protecting Bethany is siding with the templars In universe, Hawke doesn't know they're the protagonist. They don't know they'll succeed. They face two uncertain outcomes.
1. Side with the mages. Failure means death, with no chance to beg the templars for an exception. The Circle gets annulled, and Bethany with it. Success means... death sometime later, after living on the run from the Chantry and the templars. 2. Side with the templars. Failure means death for Hawke, but perhaps Bethany would be spared by the victorious Circle. It then becomes identical to the "success" case when siding with mages. But if Hawke does succeed in helping the templars, they might grant an exception for Bethany. No need to go on the run, no need to fend off an entire Thedas-full of pursuers, no need to be such a damn hero. From a purely selfish perspective, siding with the templars gives Hawke more leverage, and greater ability to shield Bethany (or even other specific mages) from harm. It's harder to persuade the templars to soften their attack if you're fighting against them.
Now, of course Meredith isn't always reasonable, and this isn't what Bethany wants. But it's not outside of the realm of possibility, for a Hawke weary of seeing their family picked off one by one.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 18, 2017 14:51:16 GMT
[...]Unpopular Opinion 3: the surest way of protecting Bethany is siding with the templarsIn universe, Hawke doesn't know they're the protagonist. They don't know they'll succeed. They face two uncertain outcomes. 1. Side with the mages. Failure means death, with no chance to beg the templars for an exception. The Circle gets annulled, and Bethany with it. Success means... death sometime later, after living on the run from the Chantry and the templars. 2. Side with the templars. Failure means death for Hawke, but perhaps Bethany would be spared by the victorious Circle. It then becomes identical to the "success" case when siding with mages. But if Hawke does succeed in helping the templars, they might grant an exception for Bethany. No need to go on the run, no need to fend off an entire Thedas-full of pursuers, no need to be such a damn hero. From a purely selfish perspective, siding with the templars gives Hawke more leverage, and greater ability to shield Bethany (or even other specific mages) from harm. It's harder to persuade the templars to soften their attack if you're fighting against them. Now, of course Meredith isn't always reasonable, and this isn't what Bethany wants. But it's not outside of the realm of possibility, for a Hawke weary of seeing their family picked off one by one. Perhaps, if Hawke's naive, can believe, that to support Meredith will ensure Bethany's safety, but if Hawke able to thinking sober, will be clear to him/her, that Meredith is very unreliable and mad. (We don't need to know about the red lyrium sword, Meredith lunatic even without this, and wants to rule over Kirkwall. Hawke as Viscount with her support would be a puppet, who always had been a target to her blackmail. But we know, that he never would support Hawke. – Act 3. start scene) Siding with Templars means: try to protecting Bethany against her will. Siding with mages means: let her fight for herself, AND try to protect her. Bethany: So, you were in the Circle and ran away. I don't know if I'd be brave enough to do that. Anders: You've been an apostate your whole life. Bethany: Exactly. It was never anything I had to work for. Other people always took the risks, to keep me free.She doesn't want to be burden anymore This was, why she tolerated the Circle (or reported herself). She wants to fight her own battles, I suppose.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 18, 2017 14:55:06 GMT
arvaaradAbout #1: It's not only the immediate impact of the choice either. Corypheus is a threat to all of Thedas. Alliance with the Qunari could help a number of people and definitely be a huge help in stopping the Venatori. Letting the Dreadnought sink could at worst bring more instability to already chaotic Thedas. So you have to look at the bigger picture. The Chargers are working for the Inquisition and should be treated no differently than other soldiers who have given up their life for the cause. I feel this way often about Solas. He has always opinions about everything, but doesn't always seem as interested in understanding the opinions of others. This is why I think you can't entirely trust anything he says. For example from his point of view the Evanuris are evil. Well, they were his enemy, what do you expect? I would very much like to know the other side of that story as well (to get more objective view of the matter). Therefor I would like DA4 to have someone else from those ancient times, someone associated with the other Gods, not Solas or Mythal. So we could see the other side and form our own opinion of what happened and why, who was right and who was wrong. I hope it's not as black and white as Solas would let us believe.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 18, 2017 15:32:58 GMT
Hawke should have a choice if merrill and anders are companions or not Loghain and Meredith are the best characters in DA If Blackwall is with the Inquisitor during the fade quest, he should be left behind When freeing Rainer from prison, the Inquisitor should have the option to make him wear a jester outfit or execute him If Hawke is left in the fade, Varric leaves the Inquisition Sera is made divine. After killing Cory, my Inquisitor uses the power for herself to rule over thedas When Ser Ruth stands before the Inquistor, the Inquisitor has the option to have Ser Ruth as a companion the arishok stands down and becomes a companion let Hawke ask a companion if he/she wants to kill Anders instead Meredith lives and joins the Inquisition instead of the Inqusitor, Josephine and Cullen riding on horses, at the beginning of trespasser, they're riding on Harley's Gamlen becomes Viscount of Kirkwall
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Post by Catilina on Apr 18, 2017 15:46:05 GMT
Hawke should have a choice if merrill and anders are companions or not Loghain and Meredith are the best characters in DA If Blackwall is with the Inquisitor during the fade quest, he should be left behind When freeing Rainer from prison, the Inquisitor should have the option to make him wear a jester outfit or execute him If Hawke is left in the fade, Varric leaves the InquisitionSera is made divine. After killing Cory, my Inquisitor uses the power for herself to rule over thedas When Ser Ruth stands before the Inquistor, the Inquisitor has the option to have Ser Ruth as a companion the arishok stands down and becomes a companion let Hawke ask a companion if he/she wants to kill Anders insteadMeredith lives and joins the Inquisition instead of the Inqusitor, Josephine and Cullen riding on horses, at the beginning of trespasser, they're riding on Harley's Gamlen becomes Viscount of KirkwallBrilliant ideas!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 16:02:07 GMT
I was glad Sandal never made it into DAI. Cole is better when he is made more human. My favorite option at Halamshiral is to kill Celine and make Briala the power behind the throne. Vivienne is right about Fiona.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 18, 2017 16:08:12 GMT
Hawke should have a choice if merrill and anders are companions or not Loghain and Meredith are the best characters in DA If Blackwall is with the Inquisitor during the fade quest, he should be left behind When freeing Rainer from prison, the Inquisitor should have the option to make him wear a jester outfit or execute him If Hawke is left in the fade, Varric leaves the Inquisition Sera is made divine. After killing Cory, my Inquisitor uses the power for herself to rule over thedas When Ser Ruth stands before the Inquistor, the Inquisitor has the option to have Ser Ruth as a companion the arishok stands down and becomes a companion let Hawke ask a companion if he/she wants to kill Anders instead Meredith lives and joins the Inquisition instead of the Inqusitor, Josephine and Cullen riding on horses, at the beginning of trespasser, they're riding on Harley's Gamlen becomes Viscount of Kirkwall Varric would never sink down to Alistair's level.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 18, 2017 16:53:05 GMT
Oghren is the best companion I agree. Barring a few moments of his, Oghren is one of my favorite companions and find his character interesting.
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Post by arvaarad on Apr 18, 2017 17:00:05 GMT
arvaaradAbout #1: It's not only the immediate impact of the choice either. Corypheus is a threat to all of Thedas. Alliance with the Qunari could help a number of people and definitely be a huge help in stopping the Venatori. Letting the Dreadnought sink could at worst bring more instability to already chaotic Thedas. So you have to look at the bigger picture. The Chargers are working for the Inquisition and should be treated no differently than other soldiers who have given up their life for the cause. I feel this way often about Solas. He has always opinions about everything, but doesn't always seem as interested in understanding the opinions of others. This is why I think you can't entirely trust anything he says. For example from his point of view the Evanuris are evil. Well, they were his enemy, what do you expect? I would very much like to know the other side of that story as well (to get more objective view of the matter). Therefor I would like DA4 to have someone else from those ancient times, someone associated with the other Gods, not Solas or Mythal. So we could see the other side and form our own opinion of what happened and why, who was right and who was wrong. I hope it's not as black and white as Solas would let us believe. I certainly wouldn't say no to more ancient companions. There's still so many gaps. Especially, as you noted, when it comes to topics where Solas has a bias. By the way, I just remembered another odd thing about All New, Faded For Her. As soon as Wisdom/Pride is dead, Solas can start looking at the Inquisitor as a person. While it's likely the mages were mistaking wisdom for pride, it's also possible Solas was mistaking pride for wisdom. There's two very different lenses we could use to look at this. Either Solas was consulting with Wisdom, and she advised him not to get distracted by mortals: "you need to focus on the mission, the People need this." Or he was consulting with Pride, and she clouded his ability to see mortals as people: "you need to focus on your mission, the People need you." Which one was it? We'd have to know more about his plan.
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