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Post by Harpie Lady on Apr 20, 2017 22:34:17 GMT
I played with a noble warden,call me sadistic but I didn't cared at all when Bryce was murdered. Well it's not that easy to care about someone you didn't even knew,and that scene with Bryce being in the temple of Sacred Ashes?Very touching indeed...
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Post by phoray on Apr 21, 2017 0:28:46 GMT
Coming from the person who has gambled the whole world for their own interests,Ah ah ah!How ironic that they dare to judge someone who served his own interests just like they did for themselves. I don't like what Howe did but if the Warden is allowed to serve their own interests at the risk of others I can't see way Howe should be judged for doing his own interests either. At least in relation to the nobles, what Howe was doing was majorly concerning specifically to them. I don't recall an option for the Warden to assasinate any of the nobility.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 21, 2017 10:20:04 GMT
You could argue that both Loghain and Howe were justified in their actions.
Loghain wasn't simply paranoid about Orlais. It turns out that Cailan was plotting to put Anora aside as his wife, at the urging of Eamon, in order to make a political match with Celene, Empress of Orlais. It is quite clear that an idiot like Cailan would be no match for Celene and the benefit would all be on the Orlesian side. Any heirs would automatically consider themselves entitled to rule Ferelden. It was a pity that if you take Loghain with you on Return to Ostagar he appears to have surprised outrage at this discovery, which makes it seem like he wasn't aware. However, we do know that Cailan and Loghain were arguing about the queen at the beginning of DAO and I think this may well have been because Cailan mentioned to Loghain about Eamon recommending he divorce her on the grounds that she hasn't produced an heir. So that would have given Loghain a reason to want both Cailan and Eamon out of the way, even without the specific details about Celene.
As for the business with him denying it was a Blight. On the face of it you would assume that such a huge army meant that it was a Blight. However, Cailan admits that there has been no sign of any arch demon, whose appearance on the surface has always confirmed previous Blights and in fact considered the beginning of one, so may be Loghain was worried that the Grey Wardens were in cahoots with Celene in promoting the idea of a Blight instead of a large darkspawn insurgence.
As for Howe, if confronted by a Cousland Warden, he accuses their family of treason. This puzzled me until I thought back to an early exchange in the origin story when we are told that Bryce has just returned from Orlais. Then we learn that Cailan has been having secret correspondence with Celene. He would have needed a very trustworthy messenger if that was the case, even if the messenger was unaware of the nature of that correspondence, so could that person have been Bryce? Of course, as with Loghain, this would suggest that somehow Howe had managed to intercept one of those letters in order to know what was going on, but may be the very fact that Cailan was doing it in secret was indication enough that something detrimental to the security of Ferelden was afoot.
I always felt it disappointing that the information in Return to Ostagar was not part of the original main game as the motivations of principle characters and some of the things that are said in the main game, make so much more sense in the light of what is revealed in the DLC. I certainly found it far easier to find a reason to spare Loghain, which I had never done until getting the DLC.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 21, 2017 11:20:11 GMT
You could argue that both Loghain and Howe were justified in their actions. Loghain wasn't simply paranoid about Orlais. It turns out that Cailan was plotting to put Anora aside as his wife, at the urging of Eamon, in order to make a political match with Celene, Empress of Orlais. It is quite clear that an idiot like Cailan would be no match for Celene and the benefit would all be on the Orlesian side. Any heirs would automatically consider themselves entitled to rule Ferelden. It was a pity that if you take Loghain with you on Return to Ostagar he appears to have surprised outrage at this discovery, which makes it seem like he wasn't aware. However, we do know that Cailan and Loghain were arguing about the queen at the beginning of DAO and I think this may well have been because Cailan mentioned to Loghain about Eamon recommending he divorce her on the grounds that she hasn't produced an heir. So that would have given Loghain a reason to want both Cailan and Eamon out of the way, even without the specific details about Celene. As for the business with him denying it was a Blight. On the face of it you would assume that such a huge army meant that it was a Blight. However, Cailan admits that there has been no sign of any arch demon, whose appearance on the surface has always confirmed previous Blights and in fact considered the beginning of one, so may be Loghain was worried that the Grey Wardens were in cahoots with Celene in promoting the idea of a Blight instead of a large darkspawn insurgence. As for Howe, if confronted by a Cousland Warden, he accuses their family of treason. This puzzled me until I thought back to an early exchange in the origin story when we are told that Bryce has just returned from Orlais. Then we learn that Cailan has been having secret correspondence with Celene. He would have needed a very trustworthy messenger if that was the case, even if the messenger was unaware of the nature of that correspondence, so could that person have been Bryce? Of course, as with Loghain, this would suggest that somehow Howe had managed to intercept one of those letters in order to know what was going on, but may be the very fact that Cailan was doing it in secret was indication enough that something detrimental to the security of Ferelden was afoot. I always felt it disappointing that the information in Return to Ostagar was not part of the original main game as the motivations of principle characters and some of the things that are said in the main game, make so much more sense in the light of what is revealed in the DLC. I certainly found it far easier to find a reason to spare Loghain, which I had never done until getting the DLC. I see these points, and agree, that Loghain had some good reasons (this is why I see, that he's not totally evil, he's just a pretty good enemy), but still I don't saw Howe benevolence. At the Landsmeet Loghain maintained his viewpoint, that he was right about Cailan and the "tactical retreat" (if I remember correctly, correct me if I'm wrong), he regrets the other things. In his eyes, Howe was a useful ally. But I still think, that he was paranoid about Orlais and Grey Wardens. I don't like the when the important pieces of the information to the base game concealed in books in DLCs. That's unfair with gamers, who don't have these.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 21, 2017 12:09:00 GMT
Why did the unpopular opinions thread turned into an argument over Ferelden politics?
I though the point of the thread was to post things other people didn't agree with and that nobody was going to start an argument over it...
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Post by nougat on Apr 21, 2017 15:34:44 GMT
Ahem, here is some of mine: - I do not bother with dragon hunting in DAI. 'Thus [my] Inquisitor didn’t kill any dragons apart from Hakkon Wintersbreath and Corypheus' pet. Oh no, what shall we do with three high dragons occupying the ruins in Emprise du Lion? Feed them some chevaliers or send for professional dragon hunters, you orlesian connards. - Exalted Plains is my favourite location. - Instead of two options (out of three) that result in slaughter of the entire Sabrae clan, there should've been an option to hand Merrill over to the clan for judgement of her fate. Or maybe even have Hawke kill her personally. - Vivienne is my favourite mage companion. - I do not share the [Varric's] notion that "Kirkwall would fall into the sea if she [Aveline] quit her job." Aveline Vallen (Hendyr) is corrupt and neglectful, deserter and nepotist. She’s barely better than her predecessor Jeven. [My] Hawke helps her purely for self-interest (unlike with other companions). As Guard-Captain Aveline has partial responsibility for Arishok' attack (elven Viddathari' situation), Leandra's murder. Aveline denied Carver Hawke' application. Honestly, Carver's better off with Wardens than serving with/under her. - "Champions of the Just" is criminally underrated quest.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 21, 2017 17:58:38 GMT
- I do not share the [Varric's] notion that " Kirkwall would fall into the sea if she [Aveline] quit her job." Aveline Vallen (Hendyr) is corrupt and neglectful, deserter and nepotist. She’s barely better than her predecessor Jeven. [My] Hawke helps her purely for self-interest (unlike with other companions). As Guard-Captain Aveline has partial responsibility for Arishok' attack (elven Viddathari' situation), Leandra's murder. Aveline denied Carver Hawke' application. Honestly, Carver's better off with Wardens than serving with/under her. Well, she throws back several invading armies before Inquisition starts, and at least one during Inquisition if you didn't kill Anders. I agree with most of your assessment, but Kirkwall really would be much worse off without her for reasons entirely unrelated to the fact that she's replacing Jeven.
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Post by nougat on Apr 21, 2017 19:01:43 GMT
riverdaleswhiteflash , what several invading armies? I partly agree. But I specifically focused on some of the internal [Kirkwall's] problems which are day-to-day routine for city guard. Aveline's competence should be judged by how she handles her daily work. Repelling a foreign invasion is rare extremity. It's kind of an issue with many authorities in Dragon Age. We are told that Anora is great queen, Leliana's excellent spymaster, Cullen's successful commander (argh), etc. Yet there is a ton of problems for PC to solve.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 21, 2017 19:25:03 GMT
Solas repeats the whole "synthetics are people" meme. Iron Bull isn't funny. Cole is a retcon of Sandal Sera is funny, cute and hot and everything she says makes sense. Scout Harding sucks DA:I's combat is wholly inferior to anything in DA2 or DAO. Inquisition's concept is just DAA but worse.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 21, 2017 19:53:45 GMT
riverdaleswhiteflash , what several invading armies? I partly agree. But I specifically focused on some of the internal [Kirkwall's] problems which are day-to-day routine for city guard. Aveline's competence should be judged by how she handles her daily work. Repelling a foreign invasion is rare extremity. Yeah. She's arguably a good soldier (if you choose to excuse the whole "desertion" thing) but you're not really wrong that she's not much of a cop. As for the several invading armies, I base that on this Codex. Well, at least in Cullen's case he builds a decent army for you to use.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 21, 2017 20:30:47 GMT
Ahem, here is some of mine: - I do not bother with dragon hunting in DAI. 'Thus [my] Inquisitor didn’t kill any dragons apart from Hakkon Wintersbreath and Corypheus' pet. Oh no, what shall we do with three high dragons occupying the ruins in Emprise du Lion? Feed them some chevaliers or send for professional dragon hunters, you orlesian connards. - Exalted Plains is my favourite location. - Instead of two options (out of three) that result in slaughter of the entire Sabrae clan, there should've been an option to hand Merrill over to the clan for judgement of her fate. Or maybe even have Hawke kill her personally. - Vivienne is my favourite mage companion. - I do not share the [Varric's] notion that "Kirkwall would fall into the sea if she [Aveline] quit her job." Aveline Vallen (Hendyr) is corrupt and neglectful, deserter and nepotist. She’s barely better than her predecessor Jeven. [My] Hawke helps her purely for self-interest (unlike with other companions). As Guard-Captain Aveline has partial responsibility for Arishok' attack (elven Viddathari' situation), Leandra's murder. Aveline denied Carver Hawke' application. Honestly, Carver's better off with Wardens than serving with/under her. - "Champions of the Just" is criminally underrated quest.
Vivienne's Winter magic is fine, but Dorian better as dps, and Solas doesn't say constantly: "my dear"... he's perhaps arrogant, but so far not as annoying as Vivienne. So, both Dorian and Solas more pleasant companions. To be honest the whole Kirkwall is corrupt as hell, lead by the Grand Cleric... what do you expect from Aveline? She tried her best, and she was not perfect, but even much better than Jeven. But you're right, she it would have been better if he took seriously the results of Emeric's investigation. She made a mistake. But this was much more Meredith's fault. Sadly, there no logical reason to follow Ser Barris, after he refused the offer, and followed that dickhead. When I want to follow this path, I always get this problem. Why should I go after it? I'm very angry about it, because I want to disband the Order. (I had similar problem with Bethany as Circle Mage... simple I hardly found a logical reason to leave her at home, because Kirkwall more dangerous for a mage, than the Deep Roads.)
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Post by nougat on Apr 21, 2017 21:00:06 GMT
Well, at least in Cullen's case he builds a decent army for you to use. Cullen doesn't build anything. All accolades are handed to him on a silver platter. They just keep him around to look pretty. And Inquisition army is good only for latrines and gathering herbs on the war table
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Post by Catilina on Apr 21, 2017 21:10:01 GMT
Well, at least in Cullen's case he builds a decent army for you to use. Cullen doesn't build anything. All accolades are handed to him on a silver platter. They just keep him around to look pretty. And Inquisition army are good only for latrines and gathering herbs on the war table And the Inquisitor? S/He just has a magical key on his/her hand. If s/he is dumb as a rock, s/he even the Inquisitor of a bunch of crazy cultists? So, better to accept, that Leliana IS a brilliant spymaster and Cullen the BEST commander, who ever born in the whole Thedas.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Apr 21, 2017 22:02:36 GMT
Why did the unpopular opinions thread turned into an argument over Ferelden politics? I though the point of the thread was to post things other people didn't agree with and that nobody was going to start an argument over it... Because I liked the post of page 1 and I wanted to support it,and since this isn't North Korea nobody is gonna arrest me for that.
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Post by envious on Apr 23, 2017 18:08:42 GMT
1. In Hawke / Warden situation, Hawke should always be killed especially if you plan on letting the wardens work for you.
2. Ironbull's betrayal was downplayed by a big sum, was disappointing more than upsetting.
3. I loved the voices for the Inquisitor
4. Hated the combat
5. Wanted to have the freedom to play more as a diplomant than a herb gatherer
6. I don't like the chargers
7. Wanted to join Solas in his mission
8. Hated the trespasser as in content wise.
9. Hated Morrigan's role in Inquisition
10. Think Gaspard was the best pick
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Post by Catilina on Apr 23, 2017 18:25:24 GMT
1. In Hawke / Warden situation, Hawke should always be killed especially if you plan on letting the wardens work for you. [...] Why is the Warden Commander so important? He just a Warden Commander, in Weisshaupt live many Wardens and I suppose, they have also Commander(s) and Senior Officers too... Even in Orlais.
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Post by envious on Apr 23, 2017 19:36:29 GMT
1. In Hawke / Warden situation, Hawke should always be killed especially if you plan on letting the wardens work for you. [...] Why is the Warden Commander so important? He just a Warden Commander, in Weisshaupt live many Wardens and I suppose, they have also Commander(s) and Senior Officers too... Even in Orlais. You have a keep full of wardens willing to serve you, some are mere recruits, some are simple soldiers and so on. The warden is a senior member who knows the structure of the wardens from its ins and outs, I find it far more beneficial to have an experienced warden lead a bunch of STILL vulnerable people than someone who simply has the willpower to do it. It'd be like having a choice between Leliana as divine or the elven Inquisitor. You'd naturally pick the one who has experience. You say they have wardens in places elsewhere, yes, however those wardens allowed for that manifestation to happen and inevitably allowed Clarel to die. I rather have a warden who didn't fall under the corruption than some hero who ends up leaving either way. As most people admit, they save Hawke only for the fact that at one point, Hawke was their character.
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Post by sungrey on Apr 23, 2017 19:50:12 GMT
I don't know if these are unpopular opinions, but here are mine:
I find DAO Morrigan to be a psychopath whom I wouldn't touch with a 39-and-1/2-foot pole and would reject her Dark Ritual (when I was younger I liked her as a romance option, but not anymore in my old age).
I hate Merrill in DA2. She's stupid, not naive or ignorant.
Isabela is an immature, diseased tramp (but I like her free spirit).
I don't much care for any of the romance options in DAI.
How blood magic is depicted in the games is dumb.
I liked the elves better when they were more human-looking. At least DAI came to a middle ground between DAO and DA2.
Female Hawke's voice is bad (actually many female voices are bad in video games because they try to sound breathy or sexy for the guys who play as them).
I hope BioWare never confirms the existence of the Maker.
I don't like the Iron Bull.
Scout Harding is OK, but I don't want her as either a party member or a romance option in DA4. Please no!
I hate that Dragon Age has gone from Dark Fantasy in DAO to High Fantasy in DAI.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 23, 2017 20:07:11 GMT
Why is the Warden Commander so important? He just a Warden Commander, in Weisshaupt live many Wardens and I suppose, they have also Commander(s) and Senior Officers too... Even in Orlais. You have a keep full of wardens willing to serve you, some are mere recruits, some are simple soldiers and so on. The warden is a senior member who knows the structure of the wardens from its ins and outs, I find it far more beneficial to have an experienced warden lead a bunch of STILL vulnerable people than someone who simply has the willpower to do it. It'd be like having a choice between Leliana as divine or the elven Inquisitor. You'd naturally pick the one who has experience. You say they have wardens in places elsewhere, yes, however those wardens allowed for that manifestation to happen and inevitably allowed Clarel to die. I rather have a warden who didn't fall under the corruption than some hero who ends up leaving either way. As most people admit, they save Hawke only for the fact that at one point, Hawke was their character. I wonder, how Weisshaupt worked without Loghain/Alistair/Stroud! They have experienced leaders. You remember? Orlais was able to send a commander for defending Amarantine and build the Vigils Keep (Awakening), even if Hero of Ferelden already died. A military order has more Commanders and Senior Officers, not only one. There are few irreplaceable people. The Warden's tainted – Hawke's healthy. The Wardens was responsible for this mess – Hawke just supposes, that s/he is responsible, but this isn't right. The Wardens mind influenced by Corypheus – Hawke's mind is clear, s/he can inform the Wardens in Weisshaupt. The Wardens HAVE commanders, these are not just a bunch of terrified kindergarten children. Hawke would be able to help to kill Corypheus (Inquisitor don't know, that Hawke will leave, and I also don't see so much sense, only that s/he can inform them from first-hand experience.) Inquisitor knows Hawke as Varric's friend, and the Champion of Kirkwall. The Inquisitor can decide, that let him/her die, if didn't like his/her decision about Mages/Templars. For a (rebel)Mage Inquisitor pro-mage Hawke is a personal hero, a templar-hearted Inquisitor respects a pro-templar Hawke, and both, and neutral Inquisitor can respect him/her if heard Varric's story. Inquisitor can respect Alistair, as friend and comrade of Hero of Ferelden. The Inquisitor know NOTHING about Stroud, except, that he's a Warden. The Inquisitor can respect Loghain as a hero and strategist, or despise as a traitor of Ostagar. Summa summarum, Inquisitor can decide on an emotional basis, and can decide ona logical basis. Logically Warden's death has more sense – as I see, ofc.
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Post by envious on Apr 23, 2017 20:51:22 GMT
You have a keep full of wardens willing to serve you, some are mere recruits, some are simple soldiers and so on. The warden is a senior member who knows the structure of the wardens from its ins and outs, I find it far more beneficial to have an experienced warden lead a bunch of STILL vulnerable people than someone who simply has the willpower to do it. It'd be like having a choice between Leliana as divine or the elven Inquisitor. You'd naturally pick the one who has experience. You say they have wardens in places elsewhere, yes, however those wardens allowed for that manifestation to happen and inevitably allowed Clarel to die. I rather have a warden who didn't fall under the corruption than some hero who ends up leaving either way. As most people admit, they save Hawke only for the fact that at one point, Hawke was their character. I wonder, how Weisshaupt worked without Loghain/Alistair/Stroud! They have experienced leaders. You remember? Orlais was able to send a commander for defending Amarantine and build the Vigils Keep (Awakening), even if Hero of Ferelden already died. A military order has more Commanders and Senior Officers, not only one. There are few irreplaceable people. The Warden's tainted – Hawke's healthy. The Wardens was responsible for this mess – Hawke just supposes, that s/he is responsible, but this isn't right. The Wardens mind influenced by Corypheus – Hawke's mind is clear, s/he can inform the Wardens in Weisshaupt. The Wardens HAVE commanders, these are not just a bunch of terrified kindergarten children. Hawke would be able to help to kill Corypheus (Inquisitor don't know, that Hawke will leave, and I also don't see so much sense, only that s/he can inform them from first-hand experience.) Inquisitor knows Hawke as Varric's friend, and the Champion of Kirkwall. The Inquisitor can decide, that let him/her die, if didn't like his/her decision about Mages/Templars. For a (rebel)Mage Inquisitor pro-mage Hawke is a personal hero, a templar-hearted Inquisitor respects a pro-templar Hawke, and both, and neutral Inquisitor can respect him/her if heard Varric's story. Inquisitor can respect Alistair, as friend and comrade of Hero of Ferelden. The Inquisitor know NOTHING about Stroud, except, that he's a Warden. The Inquisitor can respect Loghain as a hero and strategist, or despise as a traitor of Ostagar. Summa summarum, Inquisitor can decide on an emotional basis, and can decide ona logical basis. Logically Warden's death has more sense – as I see, ofc. Then where were these wardens when the wardens in adamant were binding demons to themselves to aid Corphyeus ( A threat THROUGHOUT Thedas )? Had the wardens in other locations cared enough, they would've aided the inquisition into setting their comrades free yet they made it seem like Adamant and the wardens there were not their own. It doesn't matter how many more commanders there are, they DIDN'T come to Adamant's rescue, they didn't come to aid the Inquisition or the influenced Wardens, nor did they even come to aid after the events. Those Wardens are out of reach and never make their presence strong before or after, so what makes the Inquisitor think that it would change? That some nobility of a commander will stand up to take the job? The Wardens need a leader who KNOWS what they are doing. There's a reason we take one of the best Wardens they have to offer ( Also, never were influenced by Corphyeus ) with US instead of letting them rot off in the battlefield. The Wardens are EASILY misguided, they are easy to fool as shown with Adamant and Clarel so they need someone who is not one to be fooled, which is clearly one of the three options. Everyone else at Adamant had obediently followed what Clarel let escape out of her mouth. When you travel through the fortress, you literally have soldiers who HELP you fight the darkspawn and then declare that they are in support of you. HOWEVER none of that matters because with the wrong word, all of the Wardens will turn on you despite their feelings. I don't see use for someone who set the Archdemon free and then refused to even make contact until THEY felt like it. Regardless of how you played Hawke, In Inquisition they are a coward, who instead of staying with the cause that saved their life, they flee. Plus the strings that get pulled when you get the scene with Varric if Hawke died is SO much worth it than a lame goodbye scene. It just DOESN'T make sense why you should save Hawke when everyone from the last moments to the confrontation can give you regret, sadness, hope, fear and so many more emotions but not just from you; others. Anyway, please don't reply to this because this is a OPINION thread and I have stated my opinion and there's no need for the back and forth posts which will clog the forums up.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 23, 2017 21:03:15 GMT
Inquisitor is a bland-ass Mary Sue hero. (because of their character arc) They took Red Lyrium too far in this game (it's everywhere and nobody outside of the Red Templars are affected?) The entire Mages plotline sucks even beyond the Time Travel incident with Alexis. Red Lyrium is a mistake (an excuse to make things "evil" and nothing else) Iron Bull is not funny.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 23, 2017 21:07:42 GMT
I don't know if these are unpopular opinions, but here are mine: I find DAO Morrigan to be a psychopath whom I wouldn't touch with a 39-and-1/2-foot pole and would reject her Dark Ritual (when I was younger I liked her as a romance option, but not anymore in my old age). I hate Merrill in DA2. She's stupid, not naive or ignorant. Isabela is an immature, diseased tramp (but I like her free spirit). I don't much care for any of the romance options in DAI. How blood magic is depicted in the games is dumb. I liked the elves better when they were more human-looking. At least DAI came to a middle ground between DAO and DA2. Female Hawke's voice is bad (actually many female voices are bad in video games because they try to sound breathy or sexy for the guys who play as them). I hope BioWare never confirms the existence of the Maker. I don't like the Iron Bull. Scout Harding is OK, but I don't want her as either a party member or a romance option in DA4. Please no! I hate that Dragon Age has gone from Dark Fantasy in DAO to High Fantasy in DAI. Inb4 Patrick pulls a unicorn and rainbow ending where they make the world a mix of the spirit and real world and the maker is part of all of us or something.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 23, 2017 21:13:40 GMT
I wonder, how Weisshaupt worked without Loghain/Alistair/Stroud! They have experienced leaders. You remember? Orlais was able to send a commander for defending Amarantine and build the Vigils Keep (Awakening), even if Hero of Ferelden already died. A military order has more Commanders and Senior Officers, not only one. There are few irreplaceable people.
The Warden's tainted – Hawke's healthy. The Wardens was responsible for this mess – Hawke just supposes, that s/he is responsible, but this isn't right. The Wardens mind influenced by Corypheus – Hawke's mind is clear, s/he can inform the Wardens in Weisshaupt. The Wardens HAVE commanders, these are not just a bunch of terrified kindergarten children. Hawke would be able to help to kill Corypheus (Inquisitor don't know, that Hawke will leave, and I also don't see so much sense, only that s/he can inform them from first-hand experience.)
Inquisitor knows Hawke as Varric's friend, and the Champion of Kirkwall. The Inquisitor can decide, that let him/her die, if didn't like his/her decision about Mages/Templars. For a (rebel)Mage Inquisitor pro-mage Hawke is a personal hero, a templar-hearted Inquisitor respects a pro-templar Hawke, and both, and neutral Inquisitor can respect him/her if heard Varric's story.
Inquisitor can respect Alistair, as friend and comrade of Hero of Ferelden. The Inquisitor know NOTHING about Stroud, except, that he's a Warden. The Inquisitor can respect Loghain as a hero and strategist, or despise as a traitor of Ostagar.
Summa summarum, Inquisitor can decide on an emotional basis, and can decide ona logical basis. Logically Warden's death has more sense – as I see, ofc. Then where were these wardens when the wardens in adamant were binding demons to themselves to aid Corphyeus ( A threat THROUGHOUT Thedas )? Had the wardens in other locations cared enough, they would've aided the inquisition into setting their comrades free yet they made it seem like Adamant and the wardens there were not their own.
It doesn't matter how many more commanders there are, they DIDN'T come to Adamant's rescue, they didn't come to aid the Inquisition or the influenced Wardens, nor did they even come to aid after the events.
Those Wardens are out of reach and never make their presence strong before or after, so what makes the Inquisitor think that it would change? That some nobility of a commander will stand up to take the job? The Wardens need a leader who KNOWS what they are doing. There's a reason we take one of the best Wardens they have to offer ( Also, never were influenced by Corphyeus ) with US instead of letting them rot off in the battlefield.
The Wardens are EASILY misguided, they are easy to fool as shown with Adamant and Clarel so they need someone who is not one to be fooled, which is clearly one of the three options. Everyone else at Adamant had obediently followed what Clarel let escape out of her mouth. When you travel through the fortress, you literally have soldiers who HELP you fight the darkspawn and then declare that they are in support of you. HOWEVER none of that matters because with the wrong word, all of the Wardens will turn on you despite their feelings.
I don't see use for someone who set the Archdemon free and then refused to even make contact until THEY felt like it. Regardless of how you played Hawke, In Inquisition they are a coward, who instead of staying with the cause that saved their life, they flee.
Plus the strings that get pulled when you get the scene with Varric if Hawke died is SO much worth it than a lame goodbye scene. It just DOESN'T make sense why you should save Hawke when everyone from the last moments to the confrontation can give you regret, sadness, hope, fear and so many more emotions but not just from you; others.
Anyway, please don't reply to this because this is a OPINION thread and I have stated my opinion and there's no need for the back and forth posts which will clog the forums up. Then this is my opinion, and perhaps not so popular. I don't care about Varric's reaction, I like him, but not my favorite. I just don't care about the Wardens. The know their purpose well without Alistair/Loghain/Stroud. as I said: these are not a pile of helpless kittens. If they are, then Alistair/Loghain/Stroud can't help.
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Post by envious on Apr 23, 2017 21:16:51 GMT
Then where were these wardens when the wardens in adamant were binding demons to themselves to aid Corphyeus ( A threat THROUGHOUT Thedas )? Had the wardens in other locations cared enough, they would've aided the inquisition into setting their comrades free yet they made it seem like Adamant and the wardens there were not their own.
It doesn't matter how many more commanders there are, they DIDN'T come to Adamant's rescue, they didn't come to aid the Inquisition or the influenced Wardens, nor did they even come to aid after the events.
Those Wardens are out of reach and never make their presence strong before or after, so what makes the Inquisitor think that it would change? That some nobility of a commander will stand up to take the job? The Wardens need a leader who KNOWS what they are doing. There's a reason we take one of the best Wardens they have to offer ( Also, never were influenced by Corphyeus ) with US instead of letting them rot off in the battlefield.
The Wardens are EASILY misguided, they are easy to fool as shown with Adamant and Clarel so they need someone who is not one to be fooled, which is clearly one of the three options. Everyone else at Adamant had obediently followed what Clarel let escape out of her mouth. When you travel through the fortress, you literally have soldiers who HELP you fight the darkspawn and then declare that they are in support of you. HOWEVER none of that matters because with the wrong word, all of the Wardens will turn on you despite their feelings.
I don't see use for someone who set the Archdemon free and then refused to even make contact until THEY felt like it. Regardless of how you played Hawke, In Inquisition they are a coward, who instead of staying with the cause that saved their life, they flee.
Plus the strings that get pulled when you get the scene with Varric if Hawke died is SO much worth it than a lame goodbye scene. It just DOESN'T make sense why you should save Hawke when everyone from the last moments to the confrontation can give you regret, sadness, hope, fear and so many more emotions but not just from you; others.
Anyway, please don't reply to this because this is a OPINION thread and I have stated my opinion and there's no need for the back and forth posts which will clog the forums up. Then this is my opinion, and perhaps not so popular. I don't care about Varric's reaction, I like him, but not my favorite. I just don't care about the Wardens. The know their purpose well without Alistair/Loghain/Stroud. as I said: these are not a pile of helpless kittens. If they are, then Alistair/Loghain/Stroud can't help. And it's fine to have differing opinions but it's not fine to go back and forth because of someone's opinion. It's fine that you dont agree with what I think, but it's not going to change my way of thinking.
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