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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 18, 2018 14:27:30 GMT
I don't think anyone minds the opinion, it's the obsession with her looks that's the problem. There's nowhere near as much focus on male counterparts, Adam Jensen looked way worse in MD yet barely anyone mentioned it. The preoccupation with Lara's face just distracts ppl from the basic facts, like is the game actually any good? Putting most of the attention on only that on Steam does a disservice to the game and to those who are considering buying it. Depends on the game. Adam aways looked gruff and rough around the edges. So that could be a reason why no one cares. Try looking at Devil may cry 5. The fans ain't too happy about Dante current design. The guy went from this To this: As you can imagine, fans aren't too happy about it. I wouldn't obsess with Lara design, personally, but I can understand people's frustrations when devs seem to purposefully make a character look worse with each sequel. Fair point, they can obsess over the guys too. I get the frustration, it just seems to be the overwhelming opinion about the game when there's so much more to discuss. It's sad when one aspect of a game overshadows everything else it has to offer. The MEA facial animation memes prove that.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 18, 2018 14:42:30 GMT
I wouldn't obsess with Lara design, personally, but I can understand people's frustrations when devs seem to purposefully make a character look worse with each sequel. I'm sorry, but how the hell does she 'look worse'? You did see the comparisons I put up - actual real, game screenshots? She looks more realistic in shadow, but that's improvement in graphics in general. I'm not sure where people are getting plastic skin from either. It's like people are seeing what they want to see. It's bizarre.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 18, 2018 19:30:00 GMT
Lara actually looks prettier than her previous incarnations. Some people just like to look for reasons to be outraged I guess. .
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 18, 2018 23:49:53 GMT
He's my favourite streamer. He's always positive and when a game is really bad, not up to his expectations, he will say it and yet still, have positive objective points to make.
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 1:04:27 GMT
I wouldn't obsess with Lara design, personally, but I can understand people's frustrations when devs seem to purposefully make a character look worse with each sequel. I'm sorry, but how the hell does she 'look worse'? You did see the comparisons I put up - actual real, game screenshots? She looks more realistic in shadow, but that's improvement in graphics in general. I'm not sure where people are getting plastic skin from either. It's like people are seeing what they want to see. It's bizarre. Almost like you want to see Lara a certain way, and you get really upset when others contest your point of view. Bizarre indeed. Yeah, my tastes might be subjective, but so are yours, and it aint like I'm in the minority considering the ammount of people complaining about Lara looks. And take a closer look All the details, all the shadow effects on her skin, basically gone. It's like they turned her into a DA2 character.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Sept 19, 2018 2:37:15 GMT
^ I saw a discussion about that article but didn't read the actual article. I doubt I'll play a TR without Lara Croft.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 19, 2018 6:24:23 GMT
Almost like you want to see Lara a certain way, and you get really upset when others contest your point of view. Bizarre indeed. Yeah, my tastes might be subjective, but so are yours, and it aint like I'm in the minority considering the ammount of people complaining about Lara looks. And take a closer look All the details, all the shadow effects on her skin, basically gone. It's like they turned her into a DA2 character. Why are you not using the multiple screenshots of the game I posted as a comparison which clearly shows you are talking rubbish about 'the lack of shadows and detail' being gone? Why use that single delibertaly misleading screen grab?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2018 7:21:10 GMT
Almost like you want to see Lara a certain way, and you get really upset when others contest your point of view. Bizarre indeed. Yeah, my tastes might be subjective, but so are yours, and it aint like I'm in the minority considering the ammount of people complaining about Lara looks. And take a closer look All the details, all the shadow effects on her skin, basically gone. It's like they turned her into a DA2 character. Why are you not using the multiple screenshots of the game I posted as a comparison which clearly shows you are talking rubbish about 'the lack of shadows and detail' being gone? Why use that single delibertaly misleading screen grab? Because his argument would fall flat on it's face....
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Post by Serza on Sept 19, 2018 9:37:44 GMT
Because His Lordship feels the need to sink other people's work while having achieved basically fuck all in his life?
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 10:33:16 GMT
Almost like you want to see Lara a certain way, and you get really upset when others contest your point of view. Bizarre indeed. Yeah, my tastes might be subjective, but so are yours, and it aint like I'm in the minority considering the ammount of people complaining about Lara looks. And take a closer look All the details, all the shadow effects on her skin, basically gone. It's like they turned her into a DA2 character. Why are you not using the multiple screenshots of the game I posted as a comparison which clearly shows you are talking rubbish about 'the lack of shadows and detail' being gone? Why use that single delibertaly misleading screen grab? Because my point would still stand. I saw the screenshots, they are not really different from what I posted. I fail to see how I'm misleading when I post two legit screenshots of both games.
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 10:34:32 GMT
Because His Lordship feels the need to sink other people's work while having achieved basically fuck all in his life? Attack the argument, not the person. Stay classy buddy.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 19, 2018 10:35:37 GMT
Why are you not using the multiple screenshots of the game I posted as a comparison which clearly shows you are talking rubbish about 'the lack of shadows and detail' being gone? Why use that single delibertaly misleading screen grab? Because my point would still stand. I saw the screenshots, they are not really different from what I posted. I fail to see how I'm misleading when I post two legit screenshots of both games. You're bickering with trivialities.
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Post by Serza on Sept 19, 2018 10:54:32 GMT
Because His Lordship feels the need to sink other people's work while having achieved basically fuck all in his life? Attack the argument, not the person. Stay classy buddy.
Argument needs not be attacked, there was a Shack on it.
Otherwise, duly noted.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 19, 2018 11:32:40 GMT
ecause my point would still stand. I saw the screenshots, they are not really different from what I posted. I fail to see how I'm misleading when I post two legit screenshots of both games. Plastic Rise Lara: Glorious soft shadow and detailed Shadow Lara. You're talking out of your arse, mate. Do you even own the game? It is hard to find an equivalent screenshot of rise though because it is so damn dark as a game. I'll have to have a dig when I get home.
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 11:42:38 GMT
ecause my point would still stand. I saw the screenshots, they are not really different from what I posted. I fail to see how I'm misleading when I post two legit screenshots of both games. Plastic Rise Lara: Glorious soft shadow and detailed Shadow Lara. You're talking out of your arse, mate. Do you even own the game? It is hard to find an equivalent screenshot of rise though because it is so damn dark as a game. I'll have to have a dig when I get home. No, I don't own Shadow. You try paying 200 bucks for a game. I certanly will not. But I do own Rise and the first game, and played both of them. But I'm seeing your screenshots, and if I had never played either of these games, my gut reaction would be to say that the screenshot above came from the newest Tomb raider.
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Post by vonuber on Sept 19, 2018 11:51:03 GMT
I changed the screenshots to make them more equivalent, so they are both cutscenes- a supposed to the first one which was a straight dump from the engine.
If you can't see the graphical improvement then this discussion is pointless.
Edit: Especially as you can't see it first hand by playing it. As you don't own it why does it even bother you?
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 12:35:44 GMT
I changed the screenshots to make them more equivalent, so they are both cutscenes- a supposed to the first one which was a straight dump from the engine. If you can't see the graphical improvement then this discussion is pointless. Edit: Especially as you can't see it first hand by playing it. As you don't own it why does it even bother you? It doesn't bother me. I'm just giving my opinion. If these cosmetic changes really upset me, I would be ranting a lot more.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Sept 19, 2018 12:58:22 GMT
Why are you not using the multiple screenshots of the game I posted as a comparison which clearly shows you are talking rubbish about 'the lack of shadows and detail' being gone? Why use that single delibertaly misleading screen grab? Because his argument would fall flat on it's face.... It most certainly would not... it's a valid argument. Granted the picture he used was terrible as I'm pretty sure that's cutscene vs non cutscene. However, this video shows a good comparison and I'm sorry, but Lara looks way better on the left side than on the right... ETA: and no, I'm not talking about in the thumbnail picture
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Post by bshep on Sept 19, 2018 13:21:34 GMT
The steam forums are a complete mess. No comments on the game, it's all about how Lara has been made ugly by SJW developers. It's unbelievable. Anyone who uses SJW term as a defense of their arguments is most likely a racist and/or misogynistic. I usually avoid the steam foruns like i do most of reddit.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 19, 2018 13:46:08 GMT
Lara looks fine. She will look even better when another Tomb Rader game is released when the next generation consoles are released.
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 14:27:38 GMT
The steam forums are a complete mess. No comments on the game, it's all about how Lara has been made ugly by SJW developers. It's unbelievable. Anyone who uses SJW term as a defense of their arguments is most likely a racist and/or misogynistic. I usually avoid the steam foruns like i do most of reddit. Is this supposed to be ironic? I'm not sure. Because if it's not, saying something like that is as ridiculous as saying that one believing in woman's rights makes them a feminazi.
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Post by bshep on Sept 19, 2018 14:41:44 GMT
Anyone who uses SJW term as a defense of their arguments is most likely a racist and/or misogynistic. I usually avoid the steam foruns like i do most of reddit. Is this supposed to be ironic? I'm not sure. Because if it's not, saying something like that is as ridiculous as saying that one believing in woman's rights makes them a feminazi. Because usually the "SJW argument" is used to criticize a game/ movie/series etecetera when the matter involves either a woman, a non white person or sexual representation.
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Post by jaison1986 on Sept 19, 2018 14:46:04 GMT
Is this supposed to be ironic? I'm not sure. Because if it's not, saying something like that is as ridiculous as saying that one believing in woman's rights makes them a feminazi. Because usually the "SJW argument" is used to criticize a game/ movie/series when the matter involves a woman or a non white person.
And if one day they were to decide to make a blade movie with a white guy, would you call the critics racist? Maybe what people complain about is not casting choices, but the way they are handled.
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Post by bshep on Sept 19, 2018 15:01:35 GMT
Because usually the "SJW argument" is used to criticize a game/ movie/series when the matter involves a woman or a non white person.
And if one day they were to decide to make a blade movie with a white guy, would you call the critics racist? Maybe what people complain about is not casting choices, but the way they are handled. You most likely won't see the SJW argument being used there. Like it's being used with Lara now on Tomb Raider, like it was used with Sara on Mass Effect Andromeda, like it was used against the Titans cast, against Idris Elba on Thor and so on.
People are not complaining about casting choices. At least not the ones who like to raise that flag.
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