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Post by davizulun on Apr 26, 2017 19:10:53 GMT
So I just managed to get Heart of Pride today. It is just amazing on Saraeebas and other mages but I dont know about the arcane warrior. Actually, im using Isana's song where it's procs benefits from the storm pact belt and chain lightening ring(and it procs on stormbringer procs too). I'm more likely to stick to Isana's song on Arcane Warrior but I would like to know which one you would choose and why. You may suggest other options but I doubut we have any better option if not for the hakkon staff itself that I dont have =p .
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 26, 2017 19:42:09 GMT
Heart of Pride. 1. faster cooldowns due to 0.5s cd on basic attack passive 2. higher magic than Isana's song -> stronger attack 3. every enemy who is near you is shocked, so Stonefist to their face -> asleep 4. electricity resistance Oh, one more thing... Heart of Pride is post Hakkon...
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Post by davizulun on Apr 26, 2017 19:56:41 GMT
You just made it look like an obvious choice. Thanks! Will keep testig it when I hit home. Maybe thats why I want staff and bow to be the last hakkon weapons to get (loving Tezpadam's Bane + mines on hunter).
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 26, 2017 20:03:16 GMT
With faster attack and Gathering Storm (each basic attack shortens your active cooldown times by 0.5 seconds) you can spam CL more often than it procs from Isana's song.
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Post by davizulun on Apr 26, 2017 22:17:45 GMT
Did some more tests and i can say its a stomp . On Damage side I just miss those double chain lightening procs but the increase of Atk Speed and uses of chain lightening is pretty much more worth as you said. On defense side I found a small drawback( or just impression?) but it looks like the barrier decays significant faster but i can use fade step and fade cloack more frequent. So i just need to get used to a new rhythm as normal attacks and extra uses of chain lightening does fills the barrier too.
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Post by Terrell on Apr 26, 2017 22:58:56 GMT
Though it seems like your mind is already made up, I'm still going to also submit my endorsement for the heart of pride as well. The only negative thing about it is once you finally get the Hakkon, you will miss the speed! If you're really feeling adventurous, use the speed belt and let the enemies remove over half your health. Also, take off any heal on kill. Then your basic attack speed is super super fast! Probably not a realistic build as the pact belt is better in my opinion but fun nonetheless.
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Post by davizulun on Apr 27, 2017 2:59:17 GMT
It may be crazy having or beeing a saraeebas support using "In Knowledge, Power" and "Ring of Asaaranda".
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Post by HunterKipling on Apr 27, 2017 12:51:18 GMT
... So i just need to get used to a new rhythm as normal attacks and extra uses of chain lightening does fills the barrier too. Yes, more caffeine
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Post by Gekrakel (Mark) on Apr 29, 2017 19:19:22 GMT
Oh, and lock the Heart of Pain in for your Saarebas. I try Hakkon with her sometimes, but usually return for the Pain. The speed-up of your animations is just so helpful.
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Post by HunterKipling on Apr 30, 2017 16:56:47 GMT
Oh, and lock the Heart of Pain in for your Saarebas. I try Hakkon with her sometimes, but usually return for the Pain. The speed-up of your animations is just so helpful. Rings! Must use the rings!!
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 30, 2017 19:23:49 GMT
Oh, and lock the Heart of Pain in for your Saarebas. I try Hakkon with her sometimes, but usually return for the Pain. The speed-up of your animations is just so helpful. Rings! Must use the rings!! HoP and ring on support Sare only...
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Post by Gekrakel (Mark) on Apr 30, 2017 20:10:11 GMT
I have barrier and glyphs locked in on most my runs, so I am always running a variant of semi-support I suppose. The casting animation is just too damn awful slow without HoP, and ring doesn't work well in my rotation, so I'm not using that.
The damage with the Hakkon was greater, obviously, but it was more dangerous since my castings took days.
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Post by HunterKipling on Apr 30, 2017 20:15:02 GMT
Rings! Must use the rings!! HoP and ring on support Sare only... -- No... Rings will speed up any DPS Sabby. Ring of Asaaranda/Kadan for you and party! Great for Athlok Burst and your primary, Baqoun Barrage. Try it, you'll like it
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 30, 2017 20:15:37 GMT
I felt that way when I got Hakkon, but after few games I wouldn't change Hakkon for anything... And I am rarely in the same spot to use a ring. But then again, with my WP I can one shot everything...
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Post by Terrell on Apr 30, 2017 21:24:03 GMT
Whaaaaaaaa? Ring haters! I always like rings as long as they are upgraded. But, I have space for it since I never take barrier (doesn't feel remotely like a challenge with barrier bots and I can live without the extra XP for a more fun game). Then again, I am a lowly plebeian with less than 250 willpower who can't oneshot everything yet Wait, I barely even play Saarebas, why am I even contributing to this?
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Post by SassaMFG on Apr 30, 2017 22:33:27 GMT
Whaaaaaaaa? Ring haters! I always like rings as long as they are upgraded. But, I have space for it since I never take barrier (doesn't feel remotely like a challenge with barrier bots and I can live without the extra XP for a more fun game). Then again, I am a lowly plebeian with less than 250 willpower who can't oneshot everything yet Wait, I barely even play Saarebas, why am I even contributing to this?
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Post by Gekrakel (Mark) on May 1, 2017 11:25:47 GMT
But, I have space for it since I never take barrier (doesn't feel remotely like a challenge with barrier bots and I can live without the extra XP for a more fun game). Once I put the fire belt on the Saarebas, I really need the barrier myself. And, it is nice to help others through higher levels than they would normally do. Yesterday I did that a couple different times; got people through NM. And I really just cast barrier every other rotation unless I see someone who needs it. As for barrier-botting (at the beginning of the level for example) I'm not sure that speeds anything up. One less attacker (and less support experience than helping to cause damage as well ) and I also find myself having to chase critters down who are bee-lining for the Saarebas. I actually can't stand that style of play.
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Post by davizulun on May 2, 2017 3:19:49 GMT
But, I have space for it since I never take barrier (doesn't feel remotely like a challenge with barrier bots and I can live without the extra XP for a more fun game). Once I put the fire belt on the Saarebas, I really need the barrier myself. And, it is nice to help others through higher levels than they would normally do. Yesterday I did that a couple different times; got people through NM. And I really just cast barrier every other rotation unless I see someone who needs it. As for barrier-botting (at the beginning of the level for example) I'm not sure that speeds anything up. One less attacker (and less support experience than helping to cause damage as well ) and I also find myself having to chase critters down who are bee-lining for the Saarebas. I actually can't stand that style of play. I think this way of gaming is not fun for anyone. But yes, sometimes I do play as a barrier/ring boy when my arcane warriors have no levels or is so close to promete that i cant use it on a NM or HB run(actually those 2 are the only mage ones i can bring on such runs) and is better than just leeching or watching from the fade. You know, is not that easy to find random groups and i find funny to play with different people even if im not speaking .
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Post by Gekrakel (Mark) on May 2, 2017 15:57:09 GMT
As I consider this more, I think I have two choices on my Saarebas:
A ) Use the hakkon staff instead of the HoP, which increases my damage by ~60-80% I would guess. Without the inferno belt, I have tons of health so if I get batted around a bit during my slow animations, that is okay.
B ) Wear the inferno belt which increases all my fire damage 150% and use the heart of pain to make up for my increased vulnerability due to low health.
If we assume each strike with the HoP hits for 1000 and the Hakkon is 1700 and hits once a second , adding in attack speed and the belt increase nets the following differences:
A ) 1700 dps (due to critical hit damage increase)
B ) 1000 dps base * 2 attack speed * 250% belt attack = 5,000 dps for fire attacks, 2000 dps for non-fire attacks.
Each individual attack is perhaps more impressive with the hakkon, but even giving the hakkon even more base damage, it looks like it doesn't compare to a belt and HoP.
TLDNR: Hakkon is better without the pact belt but the HoP is probably better with the pact belt. Of course, the hakkon and pact belt would rule supreme, but makes you to vulnerable to attack during long attack animations.
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Post by Terrell on May 2, 2017 17:48:10 GMT
Whaaaaaaaa? Ring haters! I always like rings as long as they are upgraded. But, I have space for it since I never take barrier (doesn't feel remotely like a challenge with barrier bots and I can live without the extra XP for a more fun game). Then again, I am a lowly plebeian with less than 250 willpower who can't oneshot everything yet Wait, I barely even play Saarebas, why am I even contributing to this? Or for you dog lovers...
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Post by SassaMFG on May 2, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
^ I love that episode...
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