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Post by Iddy on Apr 30, 2017 21:50:42 GMT
The way I figure it the Blight is over, so the HoF can afford to raise his/her standards a little.
Are there any companions you didn't allow to join the Grey Wardens?
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Post by Catilina on Apr 30, 2017 22:04:27 GMT
No. Most Wardens have a past.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 30, 2017 22:11:39 GMT
No. Most Wardens have a past. I wasn't specifically talking about morality. The Warden's refusal could be motivated by any other reason.
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Post by Catilina on Apr 30, 2017 22:18:14 GMT
No. Most Wardens have a past. I wasn't specifically talking about morality. The Warden's refusal could be motivated by any other reason. In Awakening seems all recruit is okay with skills. We have two mages, they seem useful. Oghren a jerk bastard, but have some experiences, just as Howe. Sigrun perfects to become a Warden. Justice isn't a recruit, but strong and interesting, and have a Grey Warden's memory (at the moment).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 23:15:06 GMT
None. As my Canon Warden needed all the help she could and anyone would do
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Apr 30, 2017 23:17:07 GMT
I sold Anders to Rylock on my second playthrough, since he already had the abilities I usually give Anders. (And because I wanted to have at least one world-state where Anders couldn't have blown up the Cathedral in DA2, and because that Warden was kind of a dick.) I killed Velanna as my sixth, who was kind of a prick to the Dalish, but sympathized with the less fortunate and the dishonest and the dishonest poor in mainstream society... who probably all suffered when Velanna cut off trade.
If there's any other Warden-Commanders I chose not to recruit someone with, they're not coming to mind.
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Post by Lazarillo on May 1, 2017 4:50:19 GMT
As a player, I dislike the idea of not recruiting any given potential party member. And this is part of the reason why my canon Warden was a Dalish. Because I feel like there's really not much justification for recruiting Velanna, and it's just that one little link between them that allows me to justify it as a player. Any other Warden, I tend to do it anyway, but I try to sorta gloss over the dialogue where she flat out tells you she doesn't give a crap about doing any actual Warden-ing.
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Post by mike3207 on May 1, 2017 14:13:23 GMT
Well, if the Wardens had standards I might not be a Warden.
I can be at least that fair with my fellow recruits.
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Post by Iddy on May 1, 2017 14:46:16 GMT
Well, if the Wardens had standards I might not be a Warden. I can be at least that fair with my fellow recruits. I think the protagonist does prove him/herself in most origins. The only exception would be the circle mage and Dalish elf since you didn't do anything note worthy.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 20:10:33 GMT
I'd skip Sigrun if I were to play it again. She is fine, but the expansion is short, and I like Nathaniel too much to let him out of the party.
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Post by Catilina on May 2, 2017 20:14:31 GMT
I'd skip Sigrun if I were to play it again. She is fine, but the expansion is short, and I like Nathaniel too much to let him out of the party. If we speak about with whom I could go through the game, I would enough: Anders, Justice, and Nathaniel... but they are all good.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:10:44 GMT
I'd skip Sigrun if I were to play it again. She is fine, but the expansion is short, and I like Nathaniel too much to let him out of the party. If we speak about with whom I could go through the game, I would enough: Anders, Justice, and Nathaniel... but they are all good. I don't mind swapping around Justice with Oghren or Velanna with Anders to get a bit different dialogue and party mood. But Natahniel stays. I barely ever had her in the party first time. I did her quest last, and as i said she is funny and stuff, but as soon as I could have Nathaniel back, I did. She's a bit wasted on me, so why recruit.
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Post by ryderflynn on May 3, 2017 11:24:35 GMT
No. Like Catilina said, most Wardens have a past imported into the playthrough, as did mine. It especially wouldn't make sense for my particular Warden because she had a whole "redemption" phase going on in the main Origins story, so acting like a bitch and selling Mages away isn't exactly something she would consider, especially after regretting (albeit in hindsight) culling the Circle of Magi in "Broken Circle". As for Oghren... well, she's a dwarf, my Warden. Oghren might be a pig that puts even her off sometimes (in my roleplay/headcanon, Alistair had to tell him off sometimes when he caught Oghren sexually harassing his girlfriend ), but she knows it's just the way he is, the pigheaded idiot, and he meant no harm. Sigrun was a given, yet another dwarf. Being a pragmatist herself, my Warden saw better use in a Legionnaire fighting for the Wardens rather than die in the deep roads. She is a traditionalist to some extent, but obeying the whole notion of sending troops to die in the Legion crossed the line of sensibility for her. It also helps to have another female dwarf around to fend off Oghren's nasty ale-breath. Doesn't help that before Sigrun came along, there were only dudes (Anders, Oghren, and Nathaniel; she didn't meet Velanna in Wending Woods yet). She didn't have particularly strong feelings towards the other companions to not recruit them either, even Arl Howe's son. As someone who lost her father herself, and especially as someone whose life was saved by the Wardens during exile, recruiting would-be criminals and shamed noble orphans seemed appropriate for her. My Warden looks quite young too, gotta be at about the age of 22 or less, so naivety comes into play as well. She misses Alistair though. Where the f did he go anyway during Awakening if he remained as Grey Warden? lol I found it weird that there was a line of dialogue claiming that the Warden was the only living Warden they know of when Alistair should've been alive somewhere. My Warden would definitely take back Alistair into the team in a heartbeat.
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Post by Abraxas on May 3, 2017 14:44:59 GMT
The criteria of my Warden-Commanders was to rebuild the order in Ferelden. So, they recruited everyone (even prickly Velanna) because that reinforced the Wardens numbers in Ferelden. So, to answer your question, no, none of my Wardens left anyone behind. They needed every Warden they get. That became a priority when some darkspawn began to talk.
That doesn't mean that all my Warden-Commanders befriended all the new Wardens. In most instances I just recruited them and that was all. It allowed me to see their different endings. I guess the only exception was Oghren, because he was friends with my Wardens since the Blight. Only my canon Warden befriended all the new guys (I just avoided the final quest long enough for that; it allowed me to play some interesting random missions).
I really liked Awakening because of that. It was like you're building your own garrison after the war, upgrading the fortress and getting an army, and dealing with stuff in the city. Too bad the expansion was too short.
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Post by Iddy on May 3, 2017 15:05:28 GMT
If I were to leave someone out, it absolutely would be Velanna. The last person you want to work with is someone who is that hot headed and quick to act on emotion alone.
Now... you know what is weird? The writers don't seem to make up their minds regarding the Grey Wardens' recruitment policy. Sometimes you have characters telling you this is a group that chooses only the best (including Duncan himself), while others will say anyone that can swing a sword is a good candidate.
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Post by Catilina on May 3, 2017 19:05:07 GMT
If I were to leave someone out, it absolutely would be Velanna. The last person you want to work with is someone who is that hot headed and quick to act on emotion alone. Now... you know what is weird? The writers don't seem to make up their minds regarding the Grey Wardens' recruitment policy. Sometimes you have characters telling you this is a group that chooses only the best (including Duncan himself), while others will say anyone that can swing a sword is a good candidate. And Anders? Good mage, strong enough and effective in the fight (the darkspawn horde around him convincing, but he even seems very emotional, and unpredictable, wayward. Not a soldier type.
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Post by Iddy on May 3, 2017 19:06:40 GMT
If I were to leave someone out, it absolutely would be Velanna. The last person you want to work with is someone who is that hot headed and quick to act on emotion alone. Now... you know what is weird? The writers don't seem to make up their minds regarding the Grey Wardens' recruitment policy. Sometimes you have characters telling you this is a group that chooses only the best (including Duncan himself), while others will say anyone that can swing a sword is a good candidate. And Anders? Good mage, strong enough and effective in the fight (the darkspawn horde around him convincing, but he even seems very emotional, and unpredictable, wayward. Not a soldier type. The Warden had no way to know that when Anders was conscripted.
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Post by Catilina on May 3, 2017 19:33:35 GMT
And Anders? Good mage, strong enough and effective in the fight (the darkspawn horde around him convincing, but he even seems very emotional, and unpredictable, wayward. Not a soldier type. The Warden had no way to know that when Anders was conscripted. His first reaction says a lot about him. But yes, he seems useful... and hot-headed. He escaped from the Circle, so the Warden can conclude from it, that he doesn't like the duty. It depends on the Warden's aspect. I like him, but I can imagine, that there is a Warden Commander, who doesn't like his independence, or rather insubordination. .
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Post by Iddy on May 3, 2017 19:54:46 GMT
The Warden had no way to know that when Anders was conscripted. His first reaction says a lot about him. But yes, he seems useful... and hot-headed. He escaped from the Circle, so the Warden can conclude from it, that he doesn't like the duty. It depends on the Warden's aspect. I like him, but I can imagine, that there is a Warden Commander, who doesn't like his independence, or rather insubordination. . That reaction came AFTER the Warden's decision was made. Not to mention that it would be pretty awkward to go "Mmm... I don't like the way you said that. I'm cancelling the conscription." Also, staying in the Circle isn't about duty. It is about giving up basic freedom.
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Post by Catilina on May 3, 2017 20:05:45 GMT
His first reaction says a lot about him. But yes, he seems useful... and hot-headed. He escaped from the Circle, so the Warden can conclude from it, that he doesn't like the duty. It depends on the Warden's aspect. I like him, but I can imagine, that there is a Warden Commander, who doesn't like his independence, or rather insubordination. That reaction came AFTER the Warden's decision was made. Not to mention that it would be pretty awkward to go "Mmm... I don't like the way you said that. I'm cancelling the conscription." Also, staying in the Circle isn't about duty. It is about giving up basic freedom. Not really. There are characters, who can believe, that Anders is a simple murderer. Even the Templar Commander (with Alistair/Anora) said that. Warden can believe Anders, or can believe Templar Commander. Or can give a shit both, and do what s/he want. I know. But many people think about the Circle, that this is a good place, and to escape from it, is means unreliability. So: there are some reasons do not recruit him. Or Nathaniel Howe... if he still wants to kill Cousland? I just wanted to say, that not only Velanna can seem unreliable.
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Post by Iddy on May 4, 2017 13:02:04 GMT
That reaction came AFTER the Warden's decision was made. Not to mention that it would be pretty awkward to go "Mmm... I don't like the way you said that. I'm cancelling the conscription." Also, staying in the Circle isn't about duty. It is about giving up basic freedom. Not really. There are characters, who can believe, that Anders is a simple murderer. Even the Templar Commander (with Alistair/Anora) said that. Warden can believe Anders, or can believe Templar Commander. Or can give a shit both, and do what s/he want. I know. But many people think about the Circle, that this is a good place, and to escape from it, is means unreliability. So: there are some reasons do not recruit him. Or Nathaniel Howe... if he still wants to kill Cousland? I just wanted to say, that not only Velanna can seem unreliable. That's true if you're playing an Andrastian Warden.
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Post by cat6specialist on May 19, 2017 12:08:36 GMT
Well, from logical POV...
Mhairi was super-excited and showed that she was a capable warrior while cleansing Vigil's keep. Why would you not let her join?
You might say Oghren is too undisciplined or drinks too much, but he's a dwarfen berserker who (in most cases) helped you defeat the blight. You meet him slaying darkspawn.
Anders is also met slaying darkspawn, showing he is a capable mage. And a healer, both of which the wardens could make use of. You could argue that he would just flee from the wardens because he escaped the circle numerous times and at least in origins the warden's joining ritual still was a secret lol
Velanna is quick to anger but her dedication to freeing her sister, which she seemingly understands to be only possible with GW help, is undisputable. She does betray you if you don't side with the Architect
Justice might be a demon, so maybe his inclusion in the GW has its dangers, but it's also an unique addition to their strength
There's nothing to say about Sigrun. She spent her life fighting darkspawn seeking a glorious death, which is pretty much what a GW does
I thought about refusing Nathaniel's recruitment in my next playthrough, as me had a personal vendetta against the warden, which he may have feigned to have given up. And dead warden-commander is no good.
All of the DA:A companions stay with you through the game (as long as you don't betray them and aside from siding with the Architect which really is a grey choice). However, in the epilogue you can see that...
...Velanna disappears because her interest in finding her sister is greater than serving the wardens. ...Sigrun (i think) disappears in most cases, wanting do die fighting against the darkspawn ...Anders escapes, as seen in DA2 because of personal interests ...Justice (understandably) leaves the body
Mhairi dies anyway, not her fault. Nathaniel and Oghren are the ones who always stay with the GW.
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Post by Iddy on May 19, 2017 12:33:43 GMT
Well, from logical POV... Mhairi was super-excited and showed that she was a capable warrior while cleansing Vigil's keep. Why would you not let her join? You might say Oghren is too undisciplined or drinks too much, but he's a dwarfen berserker who (in most cases) helped you defeat the blight. You meet him slaying darkspawn. Anders is also met slaying darkspawn, showing he is a capable mage. And a healer, both of which the wardens could make use of. You could argue that he would just flee from the wardens because he escaped the circle numerous times and at least in origins the warden's joining ritual still was a secret lol Velanna is quick to anger but her dedication to freeing her sister, which she seemingly understands to be only possible with GW help, is undisputable. She does betray you if you don't side with the Architect Justice might be a demon, so maybe his inclusion in the GW has its dangers, but it's also an unique addition to their strength There's nothing to say about Sigrun. She spent her life fighting darkspawn seeking a glorious death, which is pretty much what a GW does I thought about refusing Nathaniel's recruitment in my next playthrough, as me had a personal vendetta against the warden, which he may have feigned to have given up. And dead warden-commander is no good. All of the DA:A companions stay with you through the game (as long as you don't betray them and aside from siding with the Architect which really is a grey choice). However, in the epilogue you can see that... ...Velanna disappears because her interest in finding her sister is greater than serving the wardens. ...Sigrun (i think) disappears in most cases, wanting do die fighting against the darkspawn ...Anders escapes, as seen in DA2 because of personal interests ...Justice (understandably) leaves the body Mhairi dies anyway, not her fault. Nathaniel and Oghren are the ones who always stay with the GW. Velanna disappearing is pretty predictable, since her only reason to join was to get her sister back. What would happen after she gets that?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 13:06:13 GMT
Well Grey Wardens need all the soldiers they can get so all of them
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 8:37:35 GMT
My first Warden thought Velanna was a loose canon ao didn't take her, and my next will be an Orlesian who thinks Nathaniel is a thief and executes him. Other than that I take everyone. Are there any long term repercussions to not taking Anders?
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