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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 25, 2017 19:06:57 GMT
So I've got to "that" scene and I have some feeback for you BW. I don't really want a proper sex scene, fade-to-black is fine for me. BUT can we please have it fade to black after they've at least taken off their shirts? Preferably I'd like to see some booty (I don't want to have to romance Cora and PB just to see Scott's ass), but you can ftb as soon as the actual gyrations begin.
Also, better kissing animations/scenes please. Also, fix the lighting in that scene. Gil's teeth look like LED torches. Aside from that, I'm really having a lot of fun, and I really like Gil, and Scott and Gil like having fun with each other. It doesn't have to be exactly like Cora's, but at least show a bit of nudity here and there (them taking off their shirts, like how you suggested, and maybe "playing" with one another while using different camera angles to make it a bit ambiguous. That way, they could avoid complaints (or at least, the majority of them) and everybody gets happy
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 25, 2017 11:46:25 GMT
The fact that this thread is so open-minded and friendly makes me feel trully welcomed in this forum. And that same feeling should be given to people outside of our own sexual orientation. It doesn’t really matter if we’re gay, straight, bissexual, pan or even trans. What does matter is that we’re here discussing things about a game that unites us all as fans: Mass Effect. Sure, things tend to get out of hand but we have to remind ourselves that showing respect for others is universal (or rather, it should be) and that if we’re looking for equality regarding the treatment of M/M content in Andromeda, then we shouldn’t make comments such as “oh you straight guys have it all while we get scraps that aren’t even fleshed out.”. We need to stand on equal ground and not be divisive with one another. If straight people want to come here and share their love for characters from the Mass Effect universe, then come. You’re more than welcomed to do that! In fact, I (as well as all of us, including mods) fully encourage you to do so. I always respect other people’s opinions (to some extent, sure) and it’s always nice to have a healthy conversation with other people here about a thing that we’re all passionate about, which is gaming. So that being that, come along and have fun!
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 25, 2017 11:38:16 GMT
Oh Gamble. You're starting to dig your own grave here xD Of course the game was made for me. I mean, I can totally have a full-fleshed romance with a gay/bi male character in-game that is treated with the same attention, effort and care as some of the other characters. That experience alone is amaaazing!
I don't believe he's intentionally singling anyone out. He's just happy that someone is enjoying their game, and wanted them to feel good for enjoying it. I know, I know. I just found it funny enough to hear this and then the saltiness in me started to lvl up a bit. Sorry
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 25, 2017 11:22:57 GMT
Oh Gamble. You're starting to dig your own grave here xD Of course the game was made for me. I mean, I can totally have a full-fleshed romance with a gay/bi male character in-game that is treated with the same attention, effort and care as some of the other characters. That experience alone is amaaazing!
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 25, 2017 0:24:51 GMT
Not sure if this is still the best thread to post stuff about the lack of mlm content, but I figured this was worth a share. Patricia's one of my favorite Kotaku writers and she always handles this kind of stuff well. I'll probably go ahead and send her an email, just expressing how I feel about this whole thing. Probably going to do the same thing for the letter thread as well.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 22:05:26 GMT
There are two ways I would be happy with them fixing the m/m situation. These are my semi-realistic expectations. I think, with adding DLC, what we have to realize is that they're not going to make it just for us. We need to think of a concept that would be appealing to other people, too. They're not just going to make something that's a thinly veiled excuse to show Gil's ass. It needs to be something that, even if there is more content in there for us, it's worth buying and playing for others. So, I have two ideas. Kadara DLC - This would basically serve as a Reyes extension. They could add romance scenes and flirts with Reyes for men and women that romanced him, but the meat of it would be new threats and exploration on Kadara. Maybe they could do a Citadel style party with everyone at Tartarus once the story was resolved, with everyone from the squad and crew involved, and of course Reyes. Like Citadel, they could also give everyone else some extra romance stuff, so nobody felt like it was just for the gays. New Planet DLC - In this concept, you'd find a new male LI that would act as a temp squadmate for that planet. Some Bioware DLCs have done limited squaddies before. Maybe he would be a Quarian hinting towards their location, or Drell. Depends on when they want to time that. I would make him bi so that he has as much appeal as possible. Basically, I see him function like a slightly expanded Reyes. He'd be your guy on the planet, helping you out with connections and stuff, but you'd always be able to take him with you for missions within that planet. Even though he couldn't be a main squadmate, I think it would be realistic to add him to end game scenes and appearances in other DLCs. They could do some nice cinematic romance scenes for him. If it was a planet you could find during main game, that would be much more ideal, since at that point he wouldn't feel any more isolated than Reyes. If they wee feeling really generous, they could do both. That first idea for a "Kadara DLC" actually sounds really nice. Havent met Reyes yet, so I cant really say much about him but it would add more content to his character (which is one of the things a lot of people have been asking for). Just curious, what do you think could be a viable solution for Gil to have more content (including that romance scene missing)? I suggested a DLC as well but something, maybe, related to the Nexus Uprising? It'd be interesting to see more of that and how much it affected Gil as a character and, possibly, get to know him a little bit better in terms of background and such. I don't know, at this point I just want Bioware to fix this mess xD
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 20:04:39 GMT
Sooo... this happened. Link
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 19:35:32 GMT
Wait, how and when do you do that? o.o It's a small quest given to you by Drack when you speak to him. It was a nice surprise. Does this happen after you finish talking to him for the 1st time or later on in the game? Just curious.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 19:28:40 GMT
So after setting a trap for the critter on the Tempest... Scott mentions Gil! He said Gil is more "handsome than adorable" when talking about the hamster. How cute! Wait, how and when do you do that? o.o
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 17:22:51 GMT
After this whole controversy (which still makes me salty to this day), I do feel tempted to watch some vids on how mods work and how they're done, for a game made on Frostbite <-<
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 24, 2017 13:34:02 GMT
Saw this pic yesterday on Twitter and thought it would be interesting to share it here. It clearly shows the severe disparity between straight and gay romances throughout the entire franchise, it's quite shocking (at least to me). Sure, they did try to take a step forward on ME3 by adding Kaidan as a Bissexual character and he does stand on equal foot when compared with the rest of the romances available in that game. However, that doesnt happen with Andromeda. By cutting m/m content (and yes, sex scenes included) and then do a half-arsed job with the other m/m option (Reyes), it just illustrates what Bioware thinks of us gay gamers. An afterthought, people who should be happy with scraps that aren't even that polished or animated properly. This quote from Neil Armstrong says it all: "This is one small step for a man, but one giant leap for mankind". What should have happened from ME3 to ME:A - a small step by adding a bi-male character is a good start and then expand on more options in Andromeda (a more giant leap in terms of content). I know the quote iself has a totally different meaning, but it can be easily be applied here to kinda demonstrate the issue at hand. And also, if they really dont know how to approach a M/M romance scene, for example, then just watch a couple vids, take some notes on how it's done and just brainstorm some ideas on how to make it ambiguous (in regards to who's top and bottom) to avoid so many complaints. It's not that hard, I feel like
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 23, 2017 17:07:35 GMT
I think that a viable solution to this would be to expand some of the existing romances to make up for the (huge!) lack of content, such as Gil, Suvi and Reyes. Throw in a Loyalty Mission for each of them (maybe) and add those missing sex scenes (which should have been there in the first place :srs: ). Maybe they'll think about it, maybe not. All we have to do now is wait with low expectations on this.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 23, 2017 16:45:56 GMT
Overall, this trailer looked really nice. However, Sara's smile in that "group photo" with the rest of the crew seemed so fake to me :|
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 23:47:33 GMT
And here's me wondering what so many other lesbians see in them... Not only lesbians. Cora is wanted even by straight women who enjoy f/f in the games where they can chose between male and female protag. It's simple - they get the best story and most content. For example: Cora = 15 lines in the romance guide Vetra & PB = 10 Liam = 9 Jaal = 8 The difference is big even between Cora and PB&Vetra. If you add both Gil and Suvi to the list, it's even worse For Gil I think it's, like 4 or something. Almost positive that Suvi's lines in the Prima Guide are 5.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 23:05:15 GMT
Well, the game is already available in my Origin account. What to do, what to do...
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 22:51:43 GMT
9 minutes until EU release (at least for me) xD
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 22:21:46 GMT
Let's all just remember that this happened in Mass Effect 3 <-< (even though he's a bit underdeveloped, he still got almost 20 minutes worth of content. And so did Traynor.)
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 21:56:53 GMT
#BangingForAll seems and sounds a lot better, imo.
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 21:51:17 GMT
I personally think we just underestimated their ability to make shitty and incomprehensible decisions and not give a fuck about their fans lmao Oh, a week ago We were so young and naive... Just wait until the 23rd, it's going to be a blast! Quite seriously because there seems to be a lot of unhappy (and pissed off) fans here in Europe as well (myself included).
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 20:44:00 GMT
His name is Ignacious. But then there's also some guy called Bailey? Dude idek. I can say back off bitch he's mine right? I'm officially allergic to the words "invigorated" and "invigorating". Such a good example of "good writing" (sarcasm)
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 16:07:28 GMT
Sooo this also happened on Twitter yesterday. Along with the ones from Ian Frasier and (most likely) Mike Gamble, it seems that they're waiting for the game to be released tomorrow here on Europe before finally addressing the romances EVEN THOUGH they already addressed some of them (majority: straight)! My salt levels are leveling up again, afraid that this goes off the charts Link
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 13:24:01 GMT
Andromeda 2 could actually improve on the m/m romance situation while the first two games of the original trilogy had NONE, so I'll go with Andromeda 2. lol That's exactly how I feel about it as well. With the original trilogy, I know that I'll have to go through two games without ANY romances (unless they actually change Kaidan to bisexual in ME1 and allow mShep to romance him then) and ultimately will only end up with an optional squad romance for the last 1/2 of the third game (so like 1/6 of the trilogy) and an NPC romance for the last game (like 1/3 of the trilogy). With MEA2, we will hopefully see one or two squad romances for gay guys plus continued romances with the NPCs if it's a direct sequel. The latter is better than the former. The original trilogy was great in many aspects. But I'm ready to move on because it wasn't without its flaws. It's perfectly understandable. I mean, I hope the next Mass Effect gets a better treatment over what happened in this one regarding the lack of M/M content. But they need to improve it now, in this game. Whether they will actually do it or not, I guess it depends. We're still waiting for something to be said from the devs, who apparently had a meeting over this topic yesterday :| I don't know at this point, I feel so emotionally drained atm that I couldn't possibly care less about Mass Effect for the day. The game comes out today on Origin for Europe (11 PM WET, at least for me) and on March 23rd for the physical copies and such, and I don't know if I want to touch this game more than what I already have in the Trial
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 22, 2017 11:44:58 GMT
Just going to share my thoughts on this, 'cause I really need to vent this out before I go crazy.
I'm honestly lost for words. I didn't think Bioware would step this low, after what they accomplished in ME3. Sure, not many people seem to like Bi-Kaidan in that game but I personally really enjoyed his romance a lot (I’m a MShenko fan, can’t help it). It was like, the first time that I was seeing a bit of equality in gaming. He had a really nice romance storyline and a breathtaking hot sex scene without being explicit, and that’s taking a step forward in the right direction, I feel like. Steve didn’t get one and I was sad to hear about it but his character didn’t really felt that developed for me to fully grasp a coherent idea on his “character arc” in general (romance included).
Sidelining gays like this is not only despicable but quite frankly insulting in every possible way. This is freaking 2017, come on! You can’t just do this to your audience, Bioware. You’re basically stating that we don’t matter (even if you don’t mean it), that it’s not even worth to give us more than just scraps. Gil’s romance is so fairly short when compared to, say, a certain off-ship romance – it’s ridiculous. It shouldnt be the case, since he’s on the Tempest with us. There’s no new dialogue lines after missions for him, and he has even less banter than some characters. Heck, even Suvi has more of those (I think, correct me if I’m wrong) and yet she still suffers from the same issue. And do not get me started on the lack of M/M content. Excuse me, WHY do gays have to be this SIDELINED YET AGAIN, almost completely ignored and not receive a proper sex scene? You did it well in the past and now you only do it with Cora, Peebee and now Jaal (this last one still hurts for reasons), the Cora one being the most detailed out of the three. Not even lesbians got a sex scene, and the closest we got to that in this game was Peebee's and I've read it's really weird.
There’s a huge disparity between Straight and Gay romances that leaves me in utter disbelief that a company that claims to be so LGBT-friendly is even capable of something like this. We don’t even have a gay/bi male squadmate! Like, are you serious!? Are you that afraid of M/M that you go out of your way and do this (I don’t even think that this was unintentional, tbh)? Do we seriously need to wait for mods to come around to fix something that should have been there in the first place? You’re better than this, Bioware!
Some people here are saying that devs should take notes on this stuff and do better next time, but we have been saying THAT since ME3 (maybe even longer, I wasnt around ME2’s release so there’s that) and it shows that they still didn’t listen to any of our complaints, or at least most of them.
I was happy and could barely sleep because I wanted to play this game so badly. I even got the Origin Access Trial and it got me even more pumped than before. I was quite excited to go for a M/M romance again in this new adventure but we’re getting the short end of the stick again. We are tired of that, and I’m not settling for less than what I deserve as a customer/consummer. Being treated like this is not okay and I don’t even have the same will to play this anymore. This was a huge blow on my expectations as a gay gamer. And honestly, I was real tempted to cancel my pre-order and just forget about this game (was even about to do it). Result? I ended up not doing that. I want to give them a last chance and just see if there’s something that could be done about this. I don’t like being lied to, and I feel like most people don’t. I want them to fix this and not put a band-aid to cover the mess they created ‘cause of this.
(Sorry for this huge text, guys. But after being salty and angry for 3 days straight, I had a lot to say on this that I just couldnt keep in anymore.)
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 21, 2017 19:04:10 GMT
Guys, shouldnt it be better to discuss Dragon Age-related stuff over on DA threads?
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Post by VFerreira93 on Mar 21, 2017 16:22:59 GMT
And here I thought I wouldnt even be more salty than yesterday and this shows up on Twitter. *extremely tilted*
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