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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jul 4, 2017 17:32:16 GMT
I'm crying because i already knew he was a CC face and this hurts but it's also so very beautiful I try to do the best with it :'D Gil, go fuck yourself.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jul 4, 2017 17:31:04 GMT
So, I completed the Jaal romance (and got my platinum trophy by doing so), and while I think it was generally well done, I've decided to stick with Gil as my canon. I got attached to him when it was just Gil vs Reyes. Plus I prefer to stick with humans anyway. That is why I think I can say that, even though I've decided to stick with Gil, I still think making Jaal an option was the smarter use of resources, simply because of the issues that existed outside the question of which specific options we prefer. To me it's not about preferring Gil as an option, it's annoyance that they decided to ignore their current/release options, especially their only exclusively gay option, in favor of dangling a new shiny in front of people. Reyes still has Scott animation problems as well. So now they have an excuse to not touch Gil or Reyes AT ALL. It's painfully obvious that the devs just don't give a shit about him, or that they even understand why his arc and romance bothered many people. I'm not surprised in the least that this happened when they decided to make Jaal bi, but I was foolishly hoping it wouldn't, and so am disappointed and will continue to be. Jaal should have been bi from the start, on that I fully agree, but it doesn't change any of Gil's problems. I think one of the biggest complains is about the lack of gay squadmate and people consistently bringing up the trophy issue where they require 3 romances. It's less resource intensive to get 2 actors instead of 3 actors back and less scenes having to be redone. Fixing Gil and Reyes also still wouldn't give Scott a unique face or a squadmate. Plus, Jaal is arguably more popular than the other two looking at related number of posts, how big his following is, as well as the big twitter tag. Changing Gil may even require them to bring back contest winner to re-record Jill. It's more of an easy way out as well as satisfy the most number of people by making Jaal bi. This whole game, no, this whole series has been a big mess when it comes to gay characters. All the way from ME1 to MEA. I still can't believe how they honestly think it's acceptable to not give us a squadmate and half ass contents like that after only doing a half ass contents with ME3. If they make another ME game, I really wonder if they really learn their lesson after 4 games or pull this crap once again. The whole controversy really killed a lot of my interests in this game.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jul 2, 2017 5:43:33 GMT
I'd admit she would have been my first choice as romance. I like her professionalism and well mannered approach. Pity she is into Krogans. Bioware doesn't make love interests with all of their shit together upstairs. They give us love interests that you have to fix first and that most people would not care to deal with in rl. to be fair, regular romances without angst often get called boring like Kaidan and Jacob.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 27, 2017 5:37:40 GMT
Is it just me or is there a love pattern with dark haired guys with 5 o'clock shadow? Lol
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 23:06:47 GMT
I thought it was Bioware apologizing for the game. j/k
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 23:05:49 GMT
Makes sense to me. With Shepard it was all about steak. So with Ryder, it's all about sausages. And the cereal really belongs to Kai Leng, Ryder has no business taking that away from him. *Cough* Vetra's *cough* steak *cough*
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 22:32:44 GMT
Some people are never happy. According to some pretty extensive studies between 91% and 98% of adult males identify as heterosexual depending on the country. Gay and bisexual men were massively over-represented in this game to begin with. Then BioWare added another one. And you are still complaining. They are under no obligation to include any gay romances. I want a half Japanese half black chick to bang. If I hold my breath and stamp my feet will BioWare add one in the next patch or does that only work if you're gay? I really need to address the gay percentage here first of all. Don't you find it strange how big the gap is? 91% to 98%, from 10% to the almost entirely straight population? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a country with 100% straight guys. Self reporting is not a good statistic, especially for something that is stigmatized. Statistic shows that the top five gay porn consumers: 1. Kenya 2. South Africa 3. Nigeria 4. Pakistan 5. India Countries where gays are being looked down upon or even criminalized. They could come out to say that they're gay or they're suppressing it from societal pressure. Second of all, I haven't seen a lot of people complaining about the number after Jaal was released. Some were disappointed that their options weren't the ones being improved upon, not about the number. This is where your argument about banging a Blacksian girl would fit. What you're referring to with your example is preference, what people asking for is quality. I actually see quite a few "internet activists" and gay people who are against Jaal being added and use straw arguments about how Suvi now need to be lesbian which totally ignored how Jaal was the only one who has no rejection line, so it was somewhat planned at some points for him to be bi, on top of the addition was being created to address the lack of gay quality options. It's not about quantity. It's about quality. I personally wouldn't complain if the gay players only have 2 options but those two options are of high quality. Let's supposed those two options were Jaal and Gil upon released. We would have Jaal who is story relevant to the game, has a unique face, and a squadmate on top of Gil who's another gay option for people who don't like Jaal. It would be like with Dragon Age Inquisition, I didn't like either Dorian or Iron Bull that much and ended up romancing Cassandra, but I didn't complain simply because I didn't like the options, but it was because of my preference, not because they offer me inferior options. With the current situation before Jaal, it was Gil, who has half the romance content of other options, and Reyes, who is also a non-companion that was made for females first before modified for males where Scott will stare at the ceiling while dancing due to Sara's height difference, kissing while sway his hip in a feminine manner, Vetra called you "Reyes' queen", then there is no confrontational scene between Gil and Reyes causing you to be able to romance both, and the lack of thoughts went into the trophy required you to romance 3 people when there are only 2 gay options, there was no sex scene, no unique faces, abrupt romance with Reyes having no resolution at the end and Gil has no contents update between missions like the other options. It wasn't the number that was the issue, it was the lack of attention and gay romance being an afterthought. It was the lack of quality. It was the separation but equal. Just because some groups are the minorities don't mean that they deserve to be treated with inferior service, they shouldn't deal with crappy school supplies, sit in the back of the bus just because someone was born that are deviated from the majority of society. I personally will stomp my feet alongside you if your options are inferior or not as numerous as the other groups, but they only patch it in because of the lack of contents for gay players, while you have 5 options, 3 squadmates, 2 options off-ship, one of the off-ship is exclusively straight. Adding a Blacksian wouldn't fix anything for you because what you demand is preference, just like with DAI for me where I didn't like Iron Bull and Dorian.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 20:47:11 GMT
Lol. I think we are all that type of girl. 😉 Give me Neanderthals any day! Skyrim was a dream come true for me. Vilkas and Farkas. Farkas was my husbando in Skyrim. He's a kind hearted dumb guy, there's just something endearing about that.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 20:16:16 GMT
The problem I have with elves in Dragon Age is they're being portrayed as boyish and skinny and general lack of facial hair. There are people like nocte who appreciate more of a boyish type. I personally prefer rough and rugged look, scars are hot. I wouldn't mind a rugged elf like this.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 19:18:29 GMT
With the romance being fixed for Jaal. I can finally make a list of my favorite romances. What are yours? 1. Danse (Fallout 4), strong and selfless knight in shining armor who experience happiness and kindness for the first time by being with you. 2. Kaidan (Mass Effect 3), sweet guy-next-door. 3. Jaal (Mass Effect Andromeda) first tailored bisexual male character. He's emotional and caring. Someone you want at your side. 4. Theron (Star Wars) Resilient and resourceful, loyal, and knows what he wants. 5. Iron Bull (Dragon Age Inquisition) A leadership type, dedicated, and isn't afraid to do what has to be done.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 18:56:59 GMT
I think since patch 1.08 the animations and faces look fine and people (not you but others) need to get over what's no longer even there. My Sara looks more real then my Inquisitor did, and her hair moves freely, something DAI never did. I'm quite satisfied. It's the initial complains when the game first released which is what people complained about the most. I personally have no problem with the current game with patch 1.08. The OP just wasn't sure why there are so many complains but it's the same case as with ME3 ending before the extended cut which made a lot of people mad. If you play the game with patch, there shouldn't be as much problem. I'm just pointing out where the initial rage coming from. They pissed off almost everyone with this game when it was first released.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 18:47:25 GMT
The main problem for me was the lack of gay romance, 2 non-squadmate options that barely has half the contents of the other options. They fixed it now with Jaal, so I'm at least content. Speaking from an objective standpoint, the general problem in relation to immersion has to do with facial expression and animation. Addison's face looks and feels tired. Sara's pooping The eyes always look very derpy with weird expression Compared to other released games like Fallout 4: It looks more expressive and even very natural. Or even Dragon Age Inquisition which Mass Effect Andromeda reused some of their assets. There's a difference in quality in not only how they render the face but how the facial animation looks. Mass Effect looks very cartoonish.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 18:26:03 GMT
If DA didn't die despite the reception of DA2 why would Mass Effect series die?
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 21, 2017 17:43:10 GMT
Can we calm it down in here please, I'm seeing posts verging on nasty that need to stop. Screw the penguin. You can't eat them anyway. Fuckaaahh whales, fuckaaahh you penguins. (I'm just kidding, don't ban me. I just wanna lighten up the mood, and I just don't like penguins )
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 21, 2017 9:31:23 GMT
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 21, 2017 6:27:54 GMT
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 21:12:38 GMT
Oooh... I just watched Liam and Jaal get eaten by Ryder. It doesn't sound that bad.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 20:12:20 GMT
This kinda remind me of Fallout 4. We have well intention extremist which seen as an asshole like Danse (my favorite romance), a straight up bad guy romance like Gage (a raider who only wants profit and money) or Suvi (happy to kill whoever and loves it when you do selfish actions or kill innocent people), somewhere in between like McCree (Who is ok with killing because he's a mercenary but still has reservation about it) or Hancock (use any means necessary to kill the bad guys and is fine with lowlife criminals who are outcasts), or straight up goody-two-shoes (Curie, Preston, Piper). This game really has something for everyone. If only they have kissing and romance scenes like Bioware. Fallout 4 would have been perfect.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 19:50:20 GMT
I am surely glad that they make Jaal bi, but please Bioware, don't do this again and do make sure stuff is equal next time. I cannot handle another drama like this lol. The history always repeats itself. They weren't able to learn from Kaidan's story... Dragon Age team has LGBT heads in it, like David Gaider, even though he left; there are still people like Mike Laidlaw who from what people said wasn't completely straight. Dragon Age is the one game I may feel disappointed by their romance selection but more confident when it comes to representation. The game has a gay option from the get go, the next game we get 2 options, the following game, we get our first gay companion alongside a bi option. I can see progress. I could see that the DA will reach a point where everyone gets equal options with equal quality in content. Mass Effect team is more conservation in that aspect, but I don't think Dragon Age will make Mass Effect's mistakes.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 19:39:25 GMT
I think they should focus first and foremost of doing less romances and more content for each. Which is why a 2/2/2 is a fair split, and a realistic number of romances to do right. I am not a huge fan of the romances outside the companions, but i will admit that both my favourite romances from DA:I was actually the advisors, so go figure. When it comes to sexuality i really can't comment. To me there is only three, and i don't really wanna travel further down that path. I know there are variations on how people classify themself, but that is not for me. You do you. I would be fine with romances having more optional scenes, like Cora and Jaal, which would be the best of both worlds. Okay, I can respect that. As for the optional scenes, only Cora has one(and I'm hesitant to call that a success until all the DLC and/or sequels are done to see if it is still respected). Jaal's is just a lie since immediately after you choose it the game acts like you chose the sex route. And it's not a bug, there is genuinely no content for that choice. From what I remember, Suvi definitely doesn't have a sex scene or even imply that they had sex, Avela has no sex scene. People like Vetra and Liam cut without showing any sex scene, so it could be head canon easily that they just kiss and cuddle or something.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 19:33:49 GMT
How? The last game they released literally has an LI that wants to destroy the world and all those who live in it. His reasons are too selfless. Originally he wanted to free his people from slavery, now he wants to bring that old world back (without slavery I assume) however much it pains him (see his "I'm sorry" scene with Flemeth). I want someone who was always out for himself and his own pleasure. Every villain is a hero in his own mind. No one is out there being intentionally evil for no reason. There is always a purpose or a reason why they act that way. Even Hitler, in his own mind, was wanting to propagate the Aryan race, especially the downfall Germany suffered after WWI. Just because someone has good intentions from their own mind doesn't mean that those actions would come out as benevolent to those affected by it. In many wars, the opposite side is always seen as evil, that's called a narration. Each side has their own narration which portray the other side as evil but also has their own view as to why they're the good guys. Even with the current conflicts in our current world, there are always 2 narrations between 2 countries at war. From Solas' point of view, he's the good guy, but to the rest of Thedas, he's the bad guy for wanting to exterminate them.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 18:55:54 GMT
Personally, I like my LIs as horrible as they can get, so I'd be all over that. But if it makes you feel any better, BW has been moving away from letting players romance genuine bad guys, so the chances of Reyes being actually nice and helpful to the Initiative are pretty high. How? The last game they released literally has an LI that wants to destroy the world and all those who live in it. They specifically didn't want to make a bi Solas because it plays into evil gay trope or "depraved bisexual".
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 18:44:14 GMT
Reyes was made for females, so I would more like sexist than homophobic considered the romances for females often end up dead or cheating. I feel like they have a plan for him in the DLC, which is why we couldn't kill him. They could very well follow the Udina's route where regardless of your decision, Reyes would still be the ruler. I think Reyes was always intended to bisexual. The manner in which (and how well) BW implemented the m/f routes is another matter, and another can of worms. But you're right, his death would have annoyed both sides of the romance fandom, no matter how justified it was due to player choice. I just really hate people complaining (often loudly) about consequences of choices that were perfectly avoidable. I honestly wouldn't complain. I don't mind characters dying as long as it's for legitimate reasons. It's way less annoying to have them survive than Lelianna reattached her head then joined the sequel. Reyes was made for females first is one of the complains which led to the fix to gay romance. When it was first release, Scott was staring at the ceiling while dancing with Reyes due to the original model Sara being shorter, the dance also looks very awkward and less fluid which use a lot of camera to cover it up, then during their first kiss, Scott sways his hip to the side the same manner as Sara, and of course Vetra calling Scott "Reyes' queen". There were a lot of fixing that went into Scott and Reyes during the patches they did later which fixed Reyes and Scott. I think it's a tradition for Bioware to make bisexual characters with the opposite gender first. With Kaidan, they are basically using all of femShep's cutscenes, cut down any feminine movements in Shepard instead of replacing it, making the scene shorter for maleShep and less intimacy, on top of Kaidan only talking about his attraction to females. Peebee's scene where she rides an invisible dick. It's always the case with Bioware whenever they make bisexual characters. This is why I see them as playsexual. I see Jaal as the FIRST bisexual male character simply because they made it with both males and females in mind. They don't just make the entire romance scenes for the opposite sex before modifying later for the same sex. Jaal reacts to males and females differently. He has different scenes and different dynamic in relationship between males and females. He acknowledges the gender of the person who he's wooing.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 18:06:35 GMT
I strongly believe Reyes is tied to the murder of Jien and the Benefactor is hunting him. How I see it is, the Benefactor eliminated Jien (ordering Reyes to do it), so they could not be revealed, and Alec would have been next, but since he died, now Reyes would be the final loose end to tie up, which is why he can't die if you shoot him, and is always hiding in the shadows even after Sloane is dead. I think both Jaal and Liam (who have great instincts) fear for Ryder's safety because they feel something's not right with Reyes. I hope we learn more in a DLC. Tying Reyes into the main plot and having him get a bigger role will make my Reyes/Jaal romance run a lot more interesting! That would have been a really interesting twist, I'd love that! Admittedly, my cynical side suspects the "Reyes can't die" thing may just be BW's way of avoiding the "but I was romancing him and chose to shoot him and that made him dead?! BW is stupid and homophobic!" kind of backlash that the tunglr crowd is prone to give. But I hope they do have more in store and that it does end up something like you're suggesting, it would have tied up some loose ends nicely! Reyes was made for females, so I would more like sexist than homophobic considered the romances for females often end up dead or cheating. I feel like they have a plan for him in the DLC, which is why we couldn't kill him. They could very well follow the Udina's route where regardless of your decision, Reyes would still be the ruler.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 20, 2017 5:32:43 GMT
I don't even need to have equal options, because clearly, it doesn't seem to be something Bioware strive for. I would just keep my expectations low. If they want to give the gay players the least options, then at least make those options to be high quality, at least one companion, then the contents for the bisexuals need to be differentiated from the females, not just making it for females before modifying for males like Kaidan and Reyes. The bisexual needs to be made with both guys and girls in mind. Scenes or at least dialogues need to be different, regardless of how small. Jaal is the FIRST bisexual male in Bioware game instead of a playersexual character speaking to a cardboard stand-in. Don't jam the "bisexual required the same resource" then make it obvious that the males were made with females first or have them completely identical. I give up on equal number by Bioware, all I need is the bare minimum of 2 quality options with at least one companion. I hope that Bioware gives us our FIRST gay character with no gay angst or gay storyline in the next Dragon Age game. I don't want anymore gay husbands, fag hags, family disapproval, or any of that crap. Just a gay character with an independent storyline. Lesbian characters like Sera and Samantha don't have any mention about their sexuality, the gay characters don't need to have it jam in our storyline to tell a soap story either. If you want a good representation of gay characters, it would be to make them blend in and be a part of the storyline, maybe talking about some random guy they're attracted to. That's how you make sexuality a part of someone, not having them getting sad or angst or being viewed as abnormal for not having kids like Gil and Dorian.
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