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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 7:50:01 GMT
Hey guys, so I'm planning a Bloodlines playthrough. And big surprise, I can't decide on a clan I was hoping you could give me some advice or recommendations really. Basically I'm leaning towards either Toreador or Brujah right now. I'm more of a melee player so Brujah are great for that though I think you can make a pretty good melee Toreador too. What really has me stuck is the dialogue. I know Toreadors have some unique lines, not like the Malks or Nossies of course but still. Do the Brujah have any unique dialogue? I didn't hear of any but maybe they have something with the Anarchs? Thanks for any help. Oh and spoilers aren't a problem, I'm well aware of what happens.
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Post by Babar Guy on May 16, 2017 8:42:49 GMT
Between the two, I'd go with Toreador just for the full Presence dialogue options (assuming you put points in it, which you should if you're going for a melee build). Choosing from all the clans, I'd go with Gangrel or Ventrue. Dominate and Animalism are a lot of fun, and their other disciplines work nicely in melee. Though in terms of sheer combat effectiveness, I think Brujah make for the best melee characters. I just find them to be the least interesting clan in terms of disciplines, dialogue and role-playing flavor.
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Post by Gileadan on May 16, 2017 9:04:07 GMT
I've played Brujah only once and it's been years ago, so I can't say if they are getting any unique lines. If you are going for a stylish melee character and want to pick between those two clans, go Toreador all the way. Pick up a katana and you're the coolest looking melee cat in town. The only ones possibly looking better with a sword are male Ventrue in heavy armor, because of that long leather coat. Also, Toreador may make for a fun challenge with those doubled humanity gains and losses. (Overall, Ventrue is still my favorite though. There's so much stuff you can do with Dominate! The only real downside I ever felt is when you traverse the Warrens and all you got for snacks is rats...)
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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 16, 2017 10:37:38 GMT
I went Gangrel most of the time, but Brujah was fun too. I'm like you, very melee focused.
Also, this is one of my all time favorite games of all times lol.
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Post by Heimdall on May 16, 2017 12:39:13 GMT
Of the two, I'd go Toreador for the Presence options which are always fun. Also good for melee, which I generally prefer.
Overall I''d say Malkavian just for the crazy.
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Post by Vortex13 on May 16, 2017 13:26:07 GMT
I have a couple questions about the clans, albeit from the Antitribu Mod.
For the Nagaraja clan, under their unique discipline it says that I can gain vitae from ghosts and spirits at level 2, but every time I try to use the power I just get a ghost that's pissed off, one that I can't injure or feed off of. Do I need to cast "Eyes of the Wraith" as well in order to feed properly or what? Also, would anyone know if there is an alternate means of completing the haunted hotel as a Nagaraja, since they can interact with wraiths and all that? Or if Pisha has any unique dialog or quest chains for that clan?
For the Samedi, under the hags wrinkles power, does that mean that I will be able to walk around the streets without violating the masquerade? Also, their ability to turn into ashes, does that make them completely immune to damage or just highly resistant to it?
I've been playing as a Tzimisce, but I was wondering if these two clans brought anything new to the table.
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 15:37:55 GMT
My first playthrough was a Toreador. I don't recall there being many Toreador-specific dialogue options. But yeah Presence is always handy to have.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:08:58 GMT
My first playthrough was a Toreador. I don't recall there being many Toreador-specific dialogue options. But yeah Presence is always handy to have. Huh I thought that Gary I think it was, has a special hatred for the toreador and makes some snarky commentary (as per usual) to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:13:17 GMT
Thanks guys! I'm less conflicted now since there really does seem to be no unique dialogue with the Brujah, a shame really. I think there could have been several opportunities with LaCroix and the Anarchs for it. I'm pretty sure I'll stay with the Toreador, though the Ventrue does sound interesting but the Warrens are bad enough without the feeding limitation so that's a bit off putting for me. I won't be starting the playthrough yet anyway so please throw out more opinions and advice, I like reading them
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 21:29:26 GMT
I've always wanted to try a Malkavian run.
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Post by Gileadan on May 16, 2017 21:52:19 GMT
My last playthrough was a Ventrue with no melee ability at all, focusing on Dominate and Firearms. He didn't kill anyone until the first unavoidable fight - he talked and dominated his way through everything until then. Since Trance makes it so easy to feed, Str and Brawl are not needed at all.
You can actually unlock at least two ways back to the normal sewers while you are making your way through the Warrens, so you can go back for a bite if you find yourself really thirsty.
The Toreador's Auspex makes it easier to kill Romero's zombies - their auras are color coded and tell you their behavior. Teal will attack the gate, blue will come for you and attack, red will wander around and maybe attack if you get really close. Go for teal all the time.
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The Toreador's Auspex makes it easier to kill Romero's zombies - their auras are color coded and tell you their behavior. Teal will attack the gate, blue will come for you and attack, red will wander around and maybe attack if you get really close. Go for teal all the time. Thanks for the tip! I had no idea about that. Since I tend to play females I can just avoid the fight entirely but it's good to know, just in case.
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Post by Iakus on May 16, 2017 22:43:55 GMT
The Toreador's Auspex makes it easier to kill Romero's zombies - their auras are color coded and tell you their behavior. Teal will attack the gate, blue will come for you and attack, red will wander around and maybe attack if you get really close. Go for teal all the time. Thanks for the tip! I had no idea about that. Since I tend to play females I can just avoid the fight entirely but it's good to know, just in case. You can still avoid the fight as a male. You just have to find him a hooker
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Thanks for the tip! I had no idea about that. Since I tend to play females I can just avoid the fight entirely but it's good to know, just in case. You can still avoid the fight as a male. You just have to find him a hooker Right! Dragging a hooker into a creepy graveyard... No way to make that sound like a good idea really
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You can still avoid the fight as a male. You just have to find him a hooker Right! Dragging a hooker into a creepy graveyard... No way to make that sound like a good idea really NOTHING about that graveyard sounds like a good idea
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:30:24 GMT
I was wondering how many points do I need to put into Presence to get all the dialogue options for it? Should I max it?
And since I'm probably going to play a Toreador I want to focus on Seduction too. Do you know how much I should invest in that?
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Post by Gileadan on May 18, 2017 8:57:24 GMT
Do you play with the unofficial patch installed? I recall the patch creator wesp5 stating that Dominate and Presence get extra dialogues up to level 3, but he might have changed that later. I seem to recall that Dominate 4 gave me one or two extra dialogues during my last playthrough. There was no extra dialogue for maxed Dominate, so that may not be necessary for Presence either - and Presence is a progressive discipline, so you don't get a new kind of power with each rank anyway. I'd leave it at 4 unless you really have the spare XP.
I think the highest seduction requirement was the girl at the Red Dragon in Chinatown, where you needed a Seduction score of 8 or so. Hm, on second thought... you can seduce a girl at the Giovanni mansion for a shortcut, that was a really high requirement too, possibly 9. However, I found that 6 or 7 got me through most dialogues.
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Do you play with the unofficial patch installed? I recall the patch creator wesp5 stating that Dominate and Presence get extra dialogues up to level 3, but he might have changed that later. I seem to recall that Dominate 4 gave me one or two extra dialogues during my last playthrough. There was no extra dialogue for maxed Dominate, so that may not be necessary for Presence either - and Presence is a progressive discipline, so you don't get a new kind of power with each rank anyway. I'd leave it at 4 unless you really have the spare XP. I think the highest seduction requirement was the girl at the Red Dragon in Chinatown, where you needed a Seduction score of 8 or so. Hm, on second thought... you can seduce a girl at the Giovanni mansion for a shortcut, that was a really high requirement too, possibly 9. However, I found that 6 or 7 got me through most dialogues. Yeah I have the GOG version and I think that's the unofficial patch without the plus stuff. I didn't alter it in any way. Thanks so much for your help! You're like an encyclopedia on this game
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Post by Gileadan on May 18, 2017 11:17:32 GMT
Do you play with the unofficial patch installed? I recall the patch creator wesp5 stating that Dominate and Presence get extra dialogues up to level 3, but he might have changed that later. I seem to recall that Dominate 4 gave me one or two extra dialogues during my last playthrough. There was no extra dialogue for maxed Dominate, so that may not be necessary for Presence either - and Presence is a progressive discipline, so you don't get a new kind of power with each rank anyway. I'd leave it at 4 unless you really have the spare XP. I think the highest seduction requirement was the girl at the Red Dragon in Chinatown, where you needed a Seduction score of 8 or so. Hm, on second thought... you can seduce a girl at the Giovanni mansion for a shortcut, that was a really high requirement too, possibly 9. However, I found that 6 or 7 got me through most dialogues. Yeah I have the GOG version and I think that's the unofficial patch without the plus stuff. I didn't alter it in any way. Thanks so much for your help! You're like an encyclopedia on this game You're welcome! Bloodlines is easily one of my most replayed games ever. I bought it right on release in 2004 and for one week, I didn't go to sleep before 4 AM and went to work like a zombie on the next day. Very few games have managed that.
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Post by Babar Guy on May 18, 2017 12:29:35 GMT
Do you play with the unofficial patch installed? I recall the patch creator wesp5 stating that Dominate and Presence get extra dialogues up to level 3, but he might have changed that later. I seem to recall that Dominate 4 gave me one or two extra dialogues during my last playthrough. There was no extra dialogue for maxed Dominate, so that may not be necessary for Presence either - and Presence is a progressive discipline, so you don't get a new kind of power with each rank anyway. I'd leave it at 4 unless you really have the spare XP. I think the highest seduction requirement was the girl at the Red Dragon in Chinatown, where you needed a Seduction score of 8 or so. Hm, on second thought... you can seduce a girl at the Giovanni mansion for a shortcut, that was a really high requirement too, possibly 9. However, I found that 6 or 7 got me through most dialogues. Yeah I have the GOG version and I think that's the unofficial patch without the plus stuff. I didn't alter it in any way. Thanks so much for your help! You're like an encyclopedia on this game I'm going to highly recommend you get the latest, full unofficial patch (I think it's at version 9.7 now) especially since this isn't your first playthrough. At least I can't personally imagine ever playing VtMB without it again, even if the base GOG version includes the bugfixes.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
Yeah I have the GOG version and I think that's the unofficial patch without the plus stuff. I didn't alter it in any way. Thanks so much for your help! You're like an encyclopedia on this game I'm going to highly recommend you get the latest, full unofficial patch (I think it's at version 9.7 now) especially since this isn't your first playthrough. At least I can't personally imagine ever playing VtMB without it again, even if the base GOG version includes the bugfixes. Thanks for the advice. Two questions though: is it hard to install on Windows 10? And what kind of things does it add to the game?
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Post by Gileadan on May 18, 2017 12:52:21 GMT
I'm going to highly recommend you get the latest, full unofficial patch (I think it's at version 9.7 now) especially since this isn't your first playthrough. At least I can't personally imagine ever playing VtMB without it again, even if the base GOG version includes the bugfixes. Thanks for the advice. Two questions though: is it hard to install on Windows 10? And what kind of things does it add to the game? You basically just copy it into its own subfolder in the game if you do it manually, but I think it comes with its own installer that does all the work for you. It does a lot of stuff from minor things like renaming the firearms to their correct real designation to restoring quests that were not completed and deactivated by the devs in the vanilla game. It even adds a few additional maps that were left incomplete and were fixed by fans. You may also want to set GOG to not automatically updating your game while your playthrough lasts if you use the Galaxy client. They occasionally update the unofficial patch, which would overwrite your patch status, and it can also break save games from a different patch iteration.
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Post by Babar Guy on May 18, 2017 12:59:40 GMT
I'm going to highly recommend you get the latest, full unofficial patch (I think it's at version 9.7 now) especially since this isn't your first playthrough. At least I can't personally imagine ever playing VtMB without it again, even if the base GOG version includes the bugfixes. Thanks for the advice. Two questions though: is it hard to install on Windows 10? And what kind of things does it add to the game? I don't remember it being any more involved than opening the patch installer and pointing it to the correct folder where you have VtMB installed when prompted. As for what the full version adds other than bugfixes (mind you, I'm unfamiliar with the GOG version and what is and isn't included in it), there's a bunch of restored content like weapons, quests, characters etc that were unfinished and thus cut from the original game. There's rebalancing and some re-imagining of disciplines, some expanded options during character creation, like being able to choose a background trait that gives you bonuses (usually with some penalties attached to balance it out)...
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 13:17:20 GMT
Thanks guys! I'll look into the newest patch at some point then. Probably not for this playthrough but at some point in the future, maybe. Hell if I ever get bored I might even look into the different mods
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Post by Heimdall on May 18, 2017 13:22:46 GMT
If you haven't done it yet, everyone should do a Malkavian playthrough at least once.
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