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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2021 17:22:56 GMT
Okay, with respect, how did you come to that conclusion, without playing the game? In what way are the endings poorly constructed? Its all about the focus of the characters for me. Instead of the ending of the game being about V, its more about Johnny. Mind you from the conversations I have had that is probably something I would have had a problem with for the majority of the main storyline as well. I always saw Johnny as more of a plot device than anything, especially since it’s established by another character that much of what he says, even the memories we play through, are exaggerated and unreliable.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 23, 2021 19:17:02 GMT
Okay, with respect, how did you come to that conclusion, without playing the game? In what way are the endings poorly constructed? Its all about the focus of the characters for me. Instead of the ending of the game being about V, its more about Johnny. Mind you from the conversations I have had that is probably something I would have had a problem with for the majority of the main storyline as well. The ending IS about V, in what way is the ending about Johnny? Just because there is 1 option to let Johnny live, and 1 option to let him fight for you. does not mean the endings focus on Johnny. 1 ending, is about Johnny, the other 3 are not. The ending is about V wanting to save themselves with the limited time they have left. What Price does V want to pay in order achieve their goal. Johnny being so prominent during the game is very much in the vein of Joker from Arkham Knight. If that is something you consider unacceptable then so be it. But it does not make narrative sense to just ignore that aspect when it comes to the ending. The entire plot as constructed centers around the shard Johnny is on. Was that a mistake? possibly, but given the story they went with, I do not think one can say it is a mistake to logically concluded the story they constructed.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 23, 2021 19:37:59 GMT
Its all about the focus of the characters for me. Instead of the ending of the game being about V, its more about Johnny. Mind you from the conversations I have had that is probably something I would have had a problem with for the majority of the main storyline as well. I always saw Johnny as more of a plot device than anything, especially since it’s established by another character that much of what he says, even the memories we play through, are exaggerated and unreliable. I certainly feel enlarged Johnny's role in the game does to a degree come at the expense of V's. That said i quite like Depp's portrayal and don't really feel the his presence is behind the horrid failings of the endings, its mechanisms & treatment of V.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 23, 2021 20:19:31 GMT
The only problem I have with the story as a whole is the sense of urgency that starts right after prologue and that the main plotline is too short. Because of that, there never seems to be a good moment to do all the side quests without the feeling that there's something more important V should be doing. Endings are fine IMO. I get why some people didn't like them, but no idea how are they supposed to "be more about Johnny than V". therevanchist25 Maybe put info about the ending into a spoiler ?
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 23, 2021 20:40:36 GMT
The only problem I have with the story as a whole is the sense of urgency that starts right after prologue and that the main plotline is too short. Because of that, there never seems to be a good moment to do all the side quests without the feeling that there's something more important V should be doing. That's a problem with gaming as a medium though. The only difference with Cyberpunk compared to say The Witcher 3, is that the player is being reminded regularly that they are on borrowed time.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2021 20:57:06 GMT
I always saw Johnny as more of a plot device than anything, especially since it’s established by another character that much of what he says, even the memories we play through, are exaggerated and unreliable. I certainly feel enlarged Johnny's role in the game does to a degree come at the expense of V's. That said i quite like Depp's portrayal and don't really feel the his presence is behind the horrid failings of the endings, its mechanisms & treatment of V. Depp?
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 23, 2021 20:58:38 GMT
The only problem I have with the story as a whole is the sense of urgency that starts right after prologue and that the main plotline is too short. Because of that, there never seems to be a good moment to do all the side quests without the feeling that there's something more important V should be doing. That's a problem with gaming as a medium though. The only difference with Cyberpunk compared to say The Witcher 3, is that the player is being reminded regularly that they are on borrowed time. Urgency is also much more extreme as well as constantly being shoved in the player's face. In TW3 it makes a certain sense to pick up jobs as you roam in search of info, even if the mechanics of saving, exploring up to get a fancy item are gamey.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 23, 2021 20:59:49 GMT
I certainly feel enlarged Johnny's role in the game does to a degree come at the expense of V's. That said i quite like Depp's portrayal and don't really feel the his presence is behind the horrid failings of the endings, its mechanisms & treatment of V. Depp? Doh meant Keanu.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 23, 2021 21:03:20 GMT
The thought of Johnny Silverhand being played by Depp is oddly hilarious, but that might be because I’m imagining Johnny emoting like Jack Sparrow. “You’re the worst rocker I’ve ever heard of.” ”But you have heard of me.”
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 23, 2021 21:51:42 GMT
That's a problem with gaming as a medium though. The only difference with Cyberpunk compared to say The Witcher 3, is that the player is being reminded regularly that they are on borrowed time. Urgency is also much more extreme as well as constantly being shoved in the player's face. In TW3 it makes a certain sense to pick up jobs as you roam in search of info, even if the mechanics of saving, exploring up to get a fancy item are gamey. The main plot in TW3 is not less urgent though. The life of Geralt's child is on the line, and he's busy wasting his time with monster contracts and the like. Haha. Especially jarring since he has such good leads to follow. Book Geralt would kill for leads like that!
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 24, 2021 5:02:39 GMT
That's a problem with gaming as a medium though. The only difference with Cyberpunk compared to say The Witcher 3, is that the player is being reminded regularly that they are on borrowed time. Urgency is also much more extreme as well as constantly being shoved in the player's face. In TW3 it makes a certain sense to pick up jobs as you roam in search of info, even if the mechanics of saving, exploring up to get a fancy item are gamey. Inquisition has a metaphorical portal to Hell in the sky, pouring out demons by the minute. Did that stop you from running around picking Elfroot and hunting Bears for their skins so you can dye your armor? Origins had a literal hoard of metaphorical demons destroying the world by the second. Did that stop you from say, delivering letters to recruits of the Blackstone Irregulars? Alduin is the literal World Eater, and is going to do exactly that unless you deal with it. Did that stop you from utterly and totally ignoring that forever and just aimlessly wandering around? I'm sorry, but this complaint falls entirely on deaf ears. Most games do the "Super urgent emergency" main plot thing. You are holding the game to a standard that is entirely unrealistic.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 24, 2021 5:04:47 GMT
The only problem I have with the story as a whole is the sense of urgency that starts right after prologue and that the main plotline is too short. Because of that, there never seems to be a good moment to do all the side quests without the feeling that there's something more important V should be doing. Endings are fine IMO. I get why some people didn't like them, but no idea how are they supposed to "be more about Johnny than V". therevanchist25 Maybe put info about the ending into a spoiler ? Fix'd, I forgot this was "NO" Spoilers, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 23:03:41 GMT
I would love to spoiler the shit out of this thread.
However, that would require that I played it again. I played 11 hours, astounded by the horrendous AI, was mostly confused and bored, and haven't looked back much.
Made a new V once, quit after chargen.
They will have a very difficult time turning this product's perception around, to me it an all-time dud surpassing release Andromeda even in its current 1.22 patched form. It is caca.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 5, 2021 23:14:52 GMT
I dunno. Andromeda's pretty ass in comparison.
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 6, 2021 14:18:18 GMT
I dunno. Andromeda's pretty ass in comparison. I agree, but both are bad. I only beat andromeda because I’m a big ME fan and hoped it get better as it went along. Cyberpunk is a new IP and I only view CD Red making one very good game (TW3) so I didn’t give it the chance of improving the more I played, I just stopped playing entirely till some point and haven’t touched it since launch week. I don’t see cyberpunk itself getting another real chance until or unless they do a cyberpunk 2. Even without the bugs I myself didn’t like the AI, the choices really mean little in terms of variety or mattering and there’s a lot of features I felt were marketed to be bigger than how it actually is in the game and tbh I just don’t see that improving until cyberpunk 2 when CD RED takes it more seriously the next go around. But heck, I wouldn’t even count on half their staff still being retained for a sequel so I think a cyberpunk 2 can kind of go everywhere good or bad and we’ll just have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 15:06:07 GMT
Andromeda has a story, and although it wraps up short with lots of dangly bits, it is a complete game.
I cannot see any appeal to CP2077. The only things I find interesting in the game are the sandbox aspects of it, and that can only go so far as it is just a fancy walking sim.
Incredibly on rails, any role-playing you do is just in your head.
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Post by mybudgee on May 6, 2021 16:20:46 GMT
You guys are comparing CP 2077 to fucking ME: Andromeda?!? CP 2077 will almost certainly not get a sequel or MP, the DLC & expansions will barely be produced and released before CDPR liquidates all assets and all employees involved. C'mon, this is a corporation - they lost massive $ on this game. As we all know, the one motivator for Corpo-types is money. Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 16:55:36 GMT
You guys are comparing CP 2077 to fucking ME: Andromeda?!? CP 2077 will almost certainly not get a sequel or MP, the DLC & expansions will barely be produced and released before CDPR liquidates all assets and all employees involved. C'mon, this is a corporation - they lost massive $ on this game. As we all know, the one motivator for Corpo-types is money. Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true Except they got rich off this game? I don't disagree with you necessarily on all of the other parts, but they literally sold the shit out of this game early and despite refunds they still laughed all the way to the bank. Don't take my word for it, Google it and prepare for surprise.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2021 17:00:21 GMT
You guys are comparing CP 2077 to fucking ME: Andromeda?!? CP 2077 will almost certainly not get a sequel or MP, the DLC & expansions will barely be produced and released before CDPR liquidates all assets and all employees involved. C'mon, this is a corporation - they lost massive $ on this game. As we all know, the one motivator for Corpo-types is money. Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true Not sure what source you got this from, but it’s incorrect. I’m sure there’s enough doomsayers on YouTube pushing a particular narrative, but by all accounts, CDPR has not suffered an actual financial loss. Heck, their executives just got a bonus.
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Post by wright1978 on May 6, 2021 20:04:11 GMT
Andromeda has a story, and although it wraps up short with lots of dangly bits, it is a complete game. I cannot see any appeal to CP2077. The only things I find interesting in the game are the sandbox aspects of it, and that can only go so far as it is just a fancy walking sim. Incredibly on rails, any role-playing you do is just in your head. Andromeda has a story in the sense that anything has a story. That doesn’t mean it is a good story, nothing could inspire to want to touch it again with a 10 foot barge pole despite its solid combat. I despise the horrid railroaded end of cp2077 but personally I can’t really say before that, that the story was poorly delivered even if it wasn’t at Witcher levels and i’d happily be replaying but for ending elephant.
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Post by Sanunes on May 6, 2021 22:05:07 GMT
Andromeda has a story, and although it wraps up short with lots of dangly bits, it is a complete game. I cannot see any appeal to CP2077. The only things I find interesting in the game are the sandbox aspects of it, and that can only go so far as it is just a fancy walking sim. Incredibly on rails, any role-playing you do is just in your head. Andromeda has a story in the sense that anything has a story. That doesn’t mean it is a good story, nothing could inspire to want to touch it again with a 10 foot barge pole despite its solid combat. I despise the horrid railroaded end of cp2077 but personally I can’t really say before that, that the story was poorly delivered even if it wasn’t at Witcher levels and i’d happily be replaying but for ending elephant. Its about the individual. I rather play Andromeda then Cyberpunk for I have had such a negative experience with Cyberpunk.
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Post by Sanunes on May 6, 2021 22:20:28 GMT
You guys are comparing CP 2077 to fucking ME: Andromeda?!? CP 2077 will almost certainly not get a sequel or MP, the DLC & expansions will barely be produced and released before CDPR liquidates all assets and all employees involved. C'mon, this is a corporation - they lost massive $ on this game. As we all know, the one motivator for Corpo-types is money. Search your feelings, you KNOW it to be true Not sure what source you got this from, but it’s incorrect. I’m sure there’s enough doomsayers on YouTube pushing a particular narrative, but by all accounts, CDPR has not suffered an actual financial loss. Heck, their executives just got a bonus. I have no doubt that they made money off the people that are happy with what they got, but I am unsure how comfortable the studio is sitting going into their next two to four year lull with new releases or how the game compares to what the predictions. I think the biggest blow to the studio if true are the reports they have outright abandoned the online MTX supported expansion/add on. Since that could have been a continuous support for the studio while developing their next title.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2021 22:45:19 GMT
Not sure what source you got this from, but it’s incorrect. I’m sure there’s enough doomsayers on YouTube pushing a particular narrative, but by all accounts, CDPR has not suffered an actual financial loss. Heck, their executives just got a bonus. I have no doubt that they made money off the people that are happy with what they got, but I am unsure how comfortable the studio is sitting going into their next two to four year lull with new releases or how the game compares to what the predictions. I think the biggest blow to the studio if true are the reports they have outright abandoned the online MTX supported expansion/add on. Since that could have been a continuous support for the studio while developing their next title. I guess time will tell how that pans out. One of my fears was them following in Rockstar’s footsteps, so I can’t say I’d feel bad for multiplayer being aborted.
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