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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 14:09:58 GMT
PR damage control. Nice move. I dunno, I was never a fan of the "perfection doesn't have deadlines" attitude. But I am glad they confirmed it is progressing.
A couple of teasers with DRAFT splashed over them would have been more interesting to me than the pep talk.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 16, 2017 14:14:40 GMT
This could very well be PR speak, but I do have to give RED credit, at least they are directly addressing what the fanbase is concerned about. Certainly feels more up front (for lack of a better word) than the straight up ignoring of things, like what happened with Andromeda, and all the delays and concerns surrounding it during it's development.
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Post by Gwydden on Oct 16, 2017 14:18:19 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 16, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
PR damage control. Nice move. I dunno, I was never a fan of the "perfection doesn't have deadlines" attitude. But I am glad they confirmed it is progressing. A couple of teasers with DRAFT splashed over them would have been more interesting to me than the pep talk. This could very well be PR speak, but I do have to give RED credit, at least they are directly addressing what the fanbase is concerned about. Certainly feels more up front (for lack of a better word) than the straight up ignoring of things, like what happened with Andromeda, and all the delays and concerns surrounding it during it's development. While it's good to finally hear... something, it is damage control, and a rather diplomatic way of saying "If you can't take the heat...".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 14:24:52 GMT
I am glad they spoke up, but I will wait for actual goods. That trailer is so old, that I doubt it is representative of the game. Or at least I hope so, I did not like the graphics and combat (?) movement in it. I want to see art or gameplay, even prelims.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 16, 2017 17:04:13 GMT
There was no danger of cancelling it, only possible if Witcher turned out a financial disaster. And the game could be massively successfull...could see a lot of interest from GTA and TES fans here, and will likely release before either. I think they're handling this well. Release first video at E3 ( max exposure), then dial up marketing to 11, and release the game at peak of interest, 3 to 6 max months after. In comparison, EA really blundered with Anthem...huge reveal and hype build up at E3 and then:..nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 17:42:40 GMT
There was no danger of cancelling it, only possible if Witcher turned out a financial disaster. And the game could be massively successfull...could see a lot of interest from GTA and TES fans here, and will likely release before either. I think they're handling this well. Release first video at E3 ( max exposure), then dial up marketing to 11, and release the game at peak of interest, 3 to 6 max months after. In comparison, EA really blundered with Anthem...huge reveal and hype build up at E3 and then:..nothing. When I see something other than 4 years old half-ass trailer and a BS statement about how it's all really peachy and we are just better than everyone else, I'll believe the project is fine. I hope they are not feeding those cows chocolate to show off the high fat content in milk. So, yes, give me a shout when something real is demo'd.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 16, 2017 18:32:27 GMT
There was no danger of cancelling it, only possible if Witcher turned out a financial disaster. And the game could be massively successfull...could see a lot of interest from GTA and TES fans here, and will likely release before either. I think they're handling this well. Release first video at E3 ( max exposure), then dial up marketing to 11, and release the game at peak of interest, 3 to 6 max months after. In comparison, EA really blundered with Anthem...huge reveal and hype build up at E3 and then:..nothing. When I see something other than 4 years old half-ass trailer and a BS statement about how it's all really peachy and we are just better than everyone else, I'll believe the project is fine. I hope they are not feeding those cows chocolate to show off the high fat content in milk. So, yes, give me a shout when something real is demo'd. Not sure what you're on about...that trailer was released only to bring attention to the project, as they were only starting to build their team for it. There is even a message at the end, where they explicitly said this. There was no project halt, money drying up, or any indication they would cancel it...the game was simply in pre-production for longer-than-usual, given they needed to upgrade their tech, hire a lot of people/finish Witcher before it's full in gear. This is not the case as with established studios who already have strong name to attract hires, technology and teams of exp people available, to start a new project on their own. Same reason is why they're having a completely different approach with that other game they're working on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 18:56:39 GMT
When I see something other than 4 years old half-ass trailer and a BS statement about how it's all really peachy and we are just better than everyone else, I'll believe the project is fine. I hope they are not feeding those cows chocolate to show off the high fat content in milk. So, yes, give me a shout when something real is demo'd. Not sure what you're on about...that trailer was released only to bring attention to the project, as they were only starting to build their team for it. There is even a message at the end, where they explicitly said this. There was no project halt, money drying up, or any indication they would cancel it...the game was simply in pre-production for longer-than-usual, given they needed to upgrade their tech, hire a lot of people/finish Witcher before it's full in gear. This is not the case as with established studios who already have strong name to attract hires, technology and teams of exp people available, to start a new project on their own. Same reason is why they're having a completely different approach with that other game they're working on. I am not sure if that is true (the bolded text). I suspect that they have troubles putting the project together because they are deviating from the only formula they have used so far as a blue-print for their games and that it has to do with additional funding secured from the government for MP and the recent departures of staff. yes, I understand that the trailer was just thrown in in a hurry, and that is why I will need to see something more to confirm that CP is awesome. And, yes, I also realize that this discussion is about two year too early. Fingers crossed they will wrap up whatever lose ends they have with Witcher series at a long last, and finally, FINALLY pull it together for CP. I really want to see them throw everything they have into Cyberpunk ASAP. In all honesty, I wish that they had moved to Cyberpunk in 2008, so they are almost a decade behind the schedule for me.... Better later than never, but still. Hurry UP!
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Post by Superhik on Oct 16, 2017 19:21:27 GMT
Not sure what you're on about...that trailer was released only to bring attention to the project, as they were only starting to build their team for it. There is even a message at the end, where they explicitly said this. There was no project halt, money drying up, or any indication they would cancel it...the game was simply in pre-production for longer-than-usual, given they needed to upgrade their tech, hire a lot of people/finish Witcher before it's full in gear. This is not the case as with established studios who already have strong name to attract hires, technology and teams of exp people available, to start a new project on their own. Same reason is why they're having a completely different approach with that other game they're working on. I am not sure if that is true (the bolded text). I suspect that they have troubles putting the project together because they are deviating from the only formula they have used so far as a blue-print for their games and that it has to do with additional funding secured from the government for MP and the recent departures of staff. yes, I understand that the trailer was just thrown in in a hurry, and that is why I will need to see something more to confirm that CP is awesome. And, yes, I also realize that this discussion is about two year too early. Fingers crossed they will wrap up whatever lose ends they have with Witcher series at a long last, and finally, FINALLY pull it together for CP. I really want to see them throw everything they have into Cyberpunk ASAP. In all honesty, I wish that they had moved to Cyberpunk in 2008, so they are almost a decade behind the schedule for me.... Better later than never, but still. Hurry UP! I'm not sure "deviating" is the right word, thing is, the background behind two series simply is drastically different. Witcher is something more appealing to action/adventure fans, Cyberpunk closer to crpg ( create your own story, characters, playstyles)...will be interesting how CDPR will adapt here. Also one thing: 2020 is very different from Blade runner/or similar Cyberpunk material... it is less "heavy"/oppressive, something closer to rock&roll fable in Cyberpunk setting, life on the "edge", pushing how far you can go, with style, without losing your humanity. I remember Pondsmith citing this movie as one of major inspirations:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 19:27:48 GMT
Superhik that's essentially what I meant. They are switching both from the Action/adventure to an actual RPG, and from one setting to another, so I think that's causing problems, friction, etc. The team sat on Witcher for over a decade, so building and writing something else is likely rocky. I do wish they'd moved on sooner rather than this late. I also really want to know if they are actually going all the way in to do a party-based game with full companion cast, or just dipping their toes and simply go for a customizable protagonist, sort of a part-way thing.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 17, 2017 3:13:03 GMT
Just found this article on VG 247 about the rumors of the game being in trouble and what not. It's not a long read, but TL;DR is basically they are working on it and taking their time, silence is necessary. W3 had around 200 people, for Cyberpunk they have about double working on the title.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 17, 2017 8:35:16 GMT
So essentially: Don't preorder? Didn't plan to anyway. TW 1 and 2 didn't really deliver for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 11:48:31 GMT
Just found this article on VG 247 about the rumors of the game being in trouble and what not. It's not a long read, but TL;DR is basically they are working on it and taking their time, silence is necessary. W3 had around 200 people, for Cyberpunk they have about double working on the title. This article is simply a repost of CDPR statement we were discussing that is posted a few posts above in this thread.
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 17, 2017 12:30:55 GMT
I’d like Cyberpunk to be great, but I’m not exactly invested in it at this point.
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 17, 2017 15:18:21 GMT
I’d like Cyberpunk to be great, but I’m not exactly invested in it at this point. So I don’t feel too concerned, let them take however long it takes. The Goddess knows: I really would like to play Cyberpunk again. Praise her and she shall look kindly onto us. (Which is a treasure on its own, of course.)
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Post by Pounce de León on Oct 17, 2017 15:27:04 GMT
I think that at this point it's rather clear that being invested in a video game that's yet to come out is a rather precarious proposition, no matter which game it is. That said, personally, I find the idea of Cyberpunk to be very intriguing, and I certainly hope that it will be able to fulfill that potential. Yea. I learned my lesson with Master of Orion 3. But we still become hyped again and again. It's dreams and hopes. Just like every football season when I think: "THIS time, Schalke is gonna make it!"
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 17, 2017 15:51:14 GMT
I think that at this point it's rather clear that being invested in a video game that's yet to come out is a rather precarious proposition, no matter which game it is. That said, personally, I find the idea of Cyberpunk to be very intriguing, and I certainly hope that it will be able to fulfill that potential. invested might not be the best word for what I mean. Much as I find the ideas intriguing, it really isn’t on my radar at the moment because of how little is known and how far out it is. So I’m not really concerned about whatever troubles they may be having at the studio right now, because I have no idea what any of this will mean for the final product.
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Post by snook on Oct 17, 2017 16:01:36 GMT
I like the people in here acting like they know what the hell is going on with the studio. All experts in AAA game development I suspect.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 17, 2017 17:06:35 GMT
I like the people in here acting like they know what the hell is going on with the studio. All experts in AAA game development I suspect. Even if any of us happen to be triple A experts, it'd be irrelevant because none of us work at CDPR, and if we did, we wouldn't be discussing it here. It's just a discussion, like any other here on the forums.
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Post by snook on Oct 17, 2017 19:51:48 GMT
I'm just tired of this doomsaying that seems to be buzzing no matter where you go. The truth is, we don't know what's going on. There's no point assuming one way or the other.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 21, 2017 21:22:43 GMT
More leaks. This seems legit to me. And pretty insightful.
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Post by Superhik on Oct 22, 2017 1:17:21 GMT
I was hoping bars/night clubs would play a central role in the game. Sort of Shadowrun feel to it, where you form a team to do a job. My dream is that they'll have missions, style of Ocean's 11, where you'll need specialists working together to achieve a goal, Cyberpunk has a huge repertoire of skills for it.
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Post by Joey on Nov 9, 2017 23:41:35 GMT
I'm just tired of this doomsaying that seems to be buzzing no matter where you go. The truth is, we don't know what's going on. There's no point assuming one way or the other. It's like you just don't want to know the truth on what's happening with your favorite developer. That's fine, everyone loves CDPR thanks to how their stellar marketing/PR. Let's wait for... 2020? 2021? 2022? (see video below) As for me, I'm not surprised if all allegations are true, since I'm working with several former CDPR devs... Video on what's going on with Cyberpunk and how messed up CDPR's development cycle is:
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2017 1:20:25 GMT
According to one of his sources, in the recent internal presentation the studio leads have formulated a plan that ditches multiple classes and is focused on a single fixed character's cinematic journey, told in a way similar as that of Geralt's. If they do that, they have lost any chance of having me as a customer.
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