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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2017 18:08:26 GMT
So much for finding the right company that could actually pull off what Mike Pondsmith waited decades for for his Cyberpunk game. To think I actually was excited for a CDPR game. Hopefully these rumors are unfounded or they figure it out and they manage to prove me wrong.
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Post by Vortex13 on Nov 10, 2017 18:08:55 GMT
I'm still going to be rather disappointed if they scrape the various classes present in Cyberpunk and if they opt to drop the concept of a small elite team of professionals for hire in favor of a singular entity. I would also be lying if I said that I didn't want to see some of the co-operative multiplayer rumored to be underworks for this title either.
Would such an undertaking be a colossal amount of time and effort? Would CDPR be taken out of their comfort zone with such a project? Absolutely. But I would much rather have them branch out and experiment with new ideas than for them to be known as "The Witcher" company and start acting like the other AAA developers out there, namely the whole suppressing of innovation for the sake of what most easily fit's inside of their nice little check boxes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2017 18:19:19 GMT
Somewhat unfortunate news, assuming that this is accurate. That said, can't really blame them if they decided to stick to what they already know how to do. TW3 was an amazing game overall, despite flaws, if Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be on a similar quality level to their W3 expansions, I'll be more than happy. It would be better to have an excellent Cyberpunk game in the style of TW3, than to have a bad game due to some misguided attempt to become Bioware 2.0. They absolutely can be blamed for it. They have remained mostly quiet with one of the few exceptions being the stuff that now apparently won't be in the game. So they talk about something being in the game that won't be. That's false advertising and if this was any other developer they'd be ripped a new one because of it. It would be better to have a Cyberpunk 2020-inspired game be...you know, like Cyberpunk 2020 rather than just The Witcher in the future.
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Post by CHRrOME on Nov 10, 2017 18:57:56 GMT
Rumors disregarding other rumors. Artificially built hype is just as bad as the artificially built let downs. All we really have about the game are some gossips and really nothing official. I'll just stay at the center of the balance until we have something more consistent, and even then, it's not like the game is releasing in the next 6 months or anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 19:56:31 GMT
They absolutely can be blamed for it. They have remained mostly quiet with one of the few exceptions being the stuff that now apparently won't be in the game. So they talk about something being in the game that won't be. That's false advertising and if this was any other developer they'd be ripped a new one because of it. It would be better to have a Cyberpunk 2020-inspired game be...you know, like Cyberpunk 2020 rather than just The Witcher in the future. "False advertising"? With a game that's probably only coming out two years from now?... It's barely even advertising at this point, it's more talking concepts. The only people listening are fans who followed it religiously since the day it was announced. And false advertising is only applicable if you actually bought said product based on false advertising.
Assuming they change what the game is before release and properly disclose it? That's most certainly NOT false advertising.
And I have no issue with "The Witcher in the future", I enjoyed TW quite a lot, and I think that this style of story-telling would mesh wonderfully with the world of Cyberpunk.
CDPR are not some kind of surrogate Bioware, the sooner you accept that the less disappointed you'll be.
While I agree that there is no foul play involved with advertisement, i’d Like to point out that working on adding a customizable character or adding classes in no way, shape, or form makes CDPR a BioWare’s clone or surrogate. Neither does keeping a fixed lead makes them a Ubisoft Clone or whatever. They also do have every reason to stay with the Witcher formula that won them such acclaim, and are under no obligation to please those who hitched their hopes on them changing it up. They achieved success with Witcher series, it makes sense to capitalize on it and propagate it. We all will wait till the actual official information is available for the game from the CDPR and do what we will.
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Post by masterwarderz on Nov 10, 2017 21:04:21 GMT
This is one of the few games I am vaguely looking forward to I admit, it brings be back to my college days back when I was playing Cyberpunk 2020 on pen and paper, and playing a relatively successful terrorist for hire(who's primary clients were Mega Corps who paid him to go after other Mega Corps)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2017 21:27:56 GMT
They absolutely can be blamed for it. They have remained mostly quiet with one of the few exceptions being the stuff that now apparently won't be in the game. So they talk about something being in the game that won't be. That's false advertising and if this was any other developer they'd be ripped a new one because of it. It would be better to have a Cyberpunk 2020-inspired game be...you know, like Cyberpunk 2020 rather than just The Witcher in the future. "False advertising"? With a game that's probably only coming out two years from now?... It's barely even advertising at this point, it's more talking concepts. The only people listening are fans who followed it religiously since the day it was announced. And false advertising is only applicable if you actually bought said product based on false advertising.
Assuming they change what the game is before release and properly disclose it? That's most certainly NOT false advertising.
And I have no issue with "The Witcher in the future", I enjoyed TW quite a lot, and I think that this style of story-telling would mesh wonderfully with the world of Cyberpunk.
CDPR are not some kind of surrogate Bioware, the sooner you accept that the less disappointed you'll be.
I'm not saying that CDPR should be a surrogate Bioware, so don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying CDPR should have a game based off of Cyberpunk 2020 actually be like Cyberpunk 2020 in terms of customizable protagonist, different classes, etc as well as the world, choices, etc. You know, the reason the creator of Cyberpunk 2020 went to them in the first place and the reason I actually showed any interest in this product.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 10, 2017 21:43:04 GMT
CDPR said from the very beginning classes and customization would be in.
I'm reposting this for clarity.
At 7:20 Pondsmith says all classes are in, and he was at the studio earlier this year. Anything can change, but I'm taking his word over the rumors.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2017 21:45:09 GMT
slimgrin727 I am too for the moment, but as I said earlier if this rumor is true then all the stuff I said applies. I've also learned not to simply wave away rumors just because it doesn't make sense or goes against what the company is saying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 21:47:41 GMT
CDPR said from the very beginning classes and customization would be in. I'm reposting this for clarity. At 7:20 Pondsmith says all classes are in, and he was at the studio earlier this year. Anything can change, but I'm taking his word over the rumors. Does this predate the rumored layoffs of the senior staff? That could indicate the abrupt change in direction and management clean up to reduce the scope of the project.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 10, 2017 21:50:33 GMT
CDPR said from the very beginning classes and customization would be in. I'm reposting this for clarity. At 7:20 Pondsmith says all classes are in, and he was at the studio earlier this year. Anything can change, but I'm taking his word over the rumors. Does this predate the rumored layoffs of the senior staff? That could indicate the abrupt change in direction and management clean up to reduce the scope of the project. That video is from July of this year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 21:53:37 GMT
Does this predate the rumored layoffs of the senior staff? That could indicate the abrupt change in direction and management clean up to reduce the scope of the project. That video is from July of this year. So, it does predate the news of the senior staff leaving or being made leave.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 10, 2017 22:03:17 GMT
CDPR said from the very beginning classes and customization would be in. I'm reposting this for clarity. At 7:20 Pondsmith says all classes are in, and he was at the studio earlier this year. Anything can change, but I'm taking his word over the rumors. Does this predate the rumored layoffs of the senior staff? That could indicate the abrupt change in direction and management clean up to reduce the scope of the project. Who knows. Reducing the scope may be a good thing. I'm personally worried about the multiplayer sucking up resources more than anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 22:07:21 GMT
Does this predate the rumored layoffs of the senior staff? That could indicate the abrupt change in direction and management clean up to reduce the scope of the project. Who knows. Reducing the scope may be a good thing. I'm personally worried about the multiplayer sucking up resources more than anything. They got a separate grant specifically for it from the government of Poland, so the funding source is different. They are under obligations to spend it on the MP development. The core game features should not be impacted by it. At least in theory. And, well, if anything, the form of multiplayer they are looking to develop to my uneducated eye lends itself to keeping customization and classes in.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 10, 2017 22:58:16 GMT
"False advertising"? With a game that's probably only coming out two years from now?... It's barely even advertising at this point, it's more talking concepts. The only people listening are fans who followed it religiously since the day it was announced. And false advertising is only applicable if you actually bought said product based on false advertising.
Assuming they change what the game is before release and properly disclose it? That's most certainly NOT false advertising.
And I have no issue with "The Witcher in the future", I enjoyed TW quite a lot, and I think that this style of story-telling would mesh wonderfully with the world of Cyberpunk.
CDPR are not some kind of surrogate Bioware, the sooner you accept that the less disappointed you'll be.
I'm not saying that CDPR should be a surrogate Bioware, so don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying CDPR should have a game based off of Cyberpunk 2020 actually be like Cyberpunk 2020 in terms of customizable protagonist, different classes, etc as well as the world, choices, etc. You know, the reason the creator of Cyberpunk 2020 went to them in the first place and the reason I actually showed any interest in this product. Here’s the thing. Never had any adaptation of any media been 100% faithful. My only concern is the long delay in any news whatsoever.
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Post by Serza on Nov 10, 2017 23:33:28 GMT
I have popcorn.
Thread may begin in earnest.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 11, 2017 0:21:28 GMT
I have popcorn. Thread may begin in earnest. The resident cynic has arrived.
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Post by Serza on Nov 11, 2017 0:25:42 GMT
I just enjoy a little karma...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 13:59:23 GMT
Well, it would have been nice if CDPR made a game for those of us who play games with our own characters, but if they won't, they won't. Sucks, but so be it. EDIT: More unconfirmed rumors about Cyberpunk's MP component (perhaps to remind Destiny style game?): bsn.boards.net/post/924826/threadbut then it will need customization? Or are characters in Destiny fixed? EDIT2: Characters in Destiny are at least a little customizable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 16:11:54 GMT
One point that needs to be made is that even according to that video, this type of process isn't new for CDPR. Meaning that TW3 came out as it is despite going through what can only be described as a sub-optimal development process. So while I have sympathy for the guys who need to work under said conditions, and while ideally I'd like to see CDPR improving their process and making it more efficient (for their sake as well as their customers), it still means that any conclusions in regards to how Cyberpunk 2077 is going to fail horribly are premature to say the least. Again, TW3 and even more importantly - its expansions were created under this company, and under the same management. I see no rational reason to assume that Cyberpunk would be any lesser. Nobody says it's going to fail. It's pretty much impossible. The same people who loved Witcher, will love it too, particularly if it is more of the same. It's just if the new features they hoped to implement will be cut out to streamline the development, a tiny portion of players will be left out. Let's face it, CDPR is the wagon now, so peeps will ride it. There is zero chance Cyberpunk won't sell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 16:18:24 GMT
Nobody says it's going to fail. It's pretty much impossible. The same people who loved Witcher, will love it too, particularly if it is more of the same. It's just if the new features they hoped to implement will be cut out to streamline the development, a tiny portion of players will be left out. Let's face it, CDPR is the wagon now, so peeps will ride it. There is zero chance Cyberpunk won't sell. Nothing to do with wagons or even sales, I'm talking the quality of the product. It will be a high quality product that will sell millions of copies.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Nov 11, 2017 16:20:47 GMT
For what it's worth.
Also nice to know the guy in charge of TW3's music is at the helm for cyberpunk.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 11, 2017 16:20:57 GMT
Well, it would have been nice if CDPR made a game for those of us who play games with our own characters, but if they won't, they won't. Sucks, but so be it. EDIT: More unconfirmed rumors about Cyberpunk's MP component (perhaps to remind Destiny style game?): bsn.boards.net/post/924826/threadbut then it will need customization? Or are characters in Destiny fixed? EDIT2: Characters in Destiny are at least a little customizable. The only person I have ever seen claim that Cyberpunk will be borrowing elements of Destiny is linksocarina and since he hasn't posted any sort of source to verify the claim I don't think I would put much stock in it. But it has been stated in the past and by far more reliable sources that Cyberpunk will allow more character customization this time around including gender options and class options, how deep these customization options go however is anyone's guess but I have heard that personal style is supposed to play a big part in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 16:24:58 GMT
Well, it would have been nice if CDPR made a game for those of us who play games with our own characters, but if they won't, they won't. Sucks, but so be it. EDIT: More unconfirmed rumors about Cyberpunk's MP component (perhaps to remind Destiny style game?): bsn.boards.net/post/924826/threadbut then it will need customization? Or are characters in Destiny fixed? EDIT2: Characters in Destiny are at least a little customizable. The only person I have ever seen claim that Cyberpunk will be borrowing elements of Destiny is linksocarina and since he hasn't posted any sort of source to verify the claim I don't think I would put much stock in it. But it has been stated in the past and by far more reliable sources that Cyberpunk will allow more character customization this time around including gender options and class options, how deep these customization options go however is anyone's guess but I have heard that personal style is supposed to play a big part in the game. These statements were before the wave of lay offs, and the most recent rumors are contradicting one another. Yes, we do not know. It is still a very real possibility that they will discard the customization as irrelevant to their core customer base. As most people have stated in this very thread, it is a low value item for them in CDPR's work, so spending money on it makes no sense if the product can be sold without it, and the mindset in the player community is that it is actually better to have more precise facial animations and have a name come up in the dialogues than have a character that owned and created by the player. It is simply not popular any longer after the Witcher 3. In other words, Cyberpunk will do just fine without it and will please millions. What is the point of doing it if nobody really wants it?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Nov 11, 2017 16:39:44 GMT
The only person I have ever seen claim that Cyberpunk will be borrowing elements of Destiny is linksocarina and since he hasn't posted any sort of source to verify the claim I don't think I would put much stock in it. But it has been stated in the past and by far more reliable sources that Cyberpunk will allow more character customization this time around including gender options and class options, how deep these customization options go however is anyone's guess but I have heard that personal style is supposed to play a big part in the game. These statements were before the wave of lay offs, and the most recent rumors are contradicting one another. Yes, we do not know. It is still a very real possibility that they will discard the customization as irrelevant to their core customer base. As most people have stated in this very thread, it is a low value item for them in CDPR's work, so spending money on it makes no sense if the product can be sold without it, and the mindset in the player community is that it is actually better to have more precise facial animations and have a name come up in the dialogues than have a character that owned and created by the player. It is simply not popular any longer after the Witcher 3. In other words, Cyberpunk will do just fine without it and will please millions. What is the point of doing it if nobody really wants it? The only contradictory rumors I hear are about the state of the studio and whether or not there are problems with staff turnover, nothing that suggests that their plans to have a custom protagonist needs to be scrapped. Of course there is always the possibility that they COULD scrap this idea somewhere down the line but then it is also just as likely that they COULD scrap the multiplayer features or the social hub they have planned or even cut the game in half, without any context for what they are doing anything COULD be possible but it is kind of pointless to speculate on it as there are also a thousand other things they COULD be doing as well, at the moment we can only go on the information we have been given and the information so far has been that the game will feature a customizable protagonist and I see no reason why we should start believing otherwise.
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