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Post by oyabun on Jun 6, 2017 9:40:09 GMT
I was referring to the disciples which were around even before the Architect begun his experiments and the majority of GW don't know anything about them. Grey Wardens know of them because, as I said, Valya and the other mage-recruits from Hossberg found files from the Fourth Blight about Grey Wardens dealing with intelligent darkspawn in that Blight, in Weisshaupt's library in 9:41, just before they found Isseya's magically preserved griffon eggs (this is revealed in Last Flight, the novel about Garahel, hero of the Fourth Blight, and his sister Isseya). Again, that a junior Grey Warden don't know those secrets doesn't mean that the Grey Wardens as a whole don't know those stuff. It just that the Grey Wardens don't share those secrets with junior members. Only with high-ranking members. Yeah, that's the fault of the GW: too secretive for their own good. The majority of the GW never saw disciples of the Darkspawns(Awakening is proof of that) ,having heard about them doesn't equate about knowing them. You are talking about those few high rank elitè wardens of Weisshaupt (First Warden,Chamberlain and the WC of Weisshaupt),but many of the Commanders knows nothing about them they don't even know that they exist as Kristoff and the others Wardens sent from Orlais in Awakening implied. That a junior GW doesn't know on how to kill an AD when an AD is around is a severe issue,an issue that Duncan(and his group of GW) had 6th months of time to resolve if they wanted to,but I guess the fault is more of the writers than manipulated the plot in that way rather than of Duncan.
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Post by Harpie Lady on Jun 6, 2017 10:14:25 GMT
Loghain was definitely the easiest spare choice for me as he was an useful tool that could have been supervised in the camp and used for his knowledge about maps and Ferelden territory,so there was no need lore wise to have him armed until the final fight. (in fact I did removed his weapons from him and I want to see how he could be up to make anything without those.)
This woman wasn't for me the most diffiult spare/kill choice, if I had the option I would had sent her to a jail as she deserved, since the game does not allow it I used her as conscription material like I did with Loghain(I know she cannot be seen in the game for gameplay issues but lore wise there is no reason for the Warden to not chek if she is in the army or not).
Alistair was most definetly the most difficult Kill/spare choice, his desertion in the Landsmeet(in front of all the nobles) had the potential to influence others soldiers of the army in doing the same,and once again since there was no option to put him in a jail I did not stopped his execution regardless of the fact that he was a friend.Duty comes before everything for a true unbiased GW.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 6, 2017 11:59:26 GMT
This woman wasn't for me the most diffiult spare/kill choice, if I had the option I would had sent her to a jail as she deserved, since the game does not allow it I used her as conscription material like I did with Loghain(I know she cannot be seen in the game for gameplay issues but lore wise there is no reason for the Warden to not chek if she is in the army or not). What would you have done if you didn't have the option to conscript her?
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Post by Abraxas on Jun 7, 2017 4:30:16 GMT
Grey Wardens know of them because, as I said, Valya and the other mage-recruits from Hossberg found files from the Fourth Blight about Grey Wardens dealing with intelligent darkspawn in that Blight, in Weisshaupt's library in 9:41, just before they found Isseya's magically preserved griffon eggs (this is revealed in Last Flight, the novel about Garahel, hero of the Fourth Blight, and his sister Isseya). Again, that a junior Grey Warden don't know those secrets doesn't mean that the Grey Wardens as a whole don't know those stuff. It just that the Grey Wardens don't share those secrets with junior members. Only with high-ranking members. Yeah, that's the fault of the GW: too secretive for their own good. You are talking about those few high rank elitè wardens of Weisshaupt (First Warden,Chamberlain and the WC of Weisshaupt),but many of the Commanders knows nothing about them they don't even know that they exist as Kristoff and the others Wardens sent from Orlais in Awakening implied. That a junior GW doesn't know on how to kill an AD when an AD is around is a severe issue,an issue that Duncan(and his group of GW) had 6th months of time to resolve if they wanted to,but I guess the fault is more of the writers than manipulated the plot in that way rather than of Duncan. And I do not deny that. Secrets are the big mistake of the Wardens. That's why I like that, if you allow them to help the Inquisition in DA:I, the southern Wardens (meaning, Orlais and Ferelden chapters) sever ties with Weisshaupt and become more open with the populace about their roles. No more secrets.
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Post by Harpie Lady on Jun 7, 2017 15:30:49 GMT
This woman wasn't for me the most diffiult spare/kill choice, if I had the option I would had sent her to a jail as she deserved, since the game does not allow it I used her as conscription material like I did with Loghain(I know she cannot be seen in the game for gameplay issues but lore wise there is no reason for the Warden to not chek if she is in the army or not). What would you have done if you didn't have the option to conscript her? The game makes already a good job in removing reasonable options to give extreme choices. If this option wouldn't have been available then I see no reason to let her go and trust her like that. Her problem is that in the given circumstances trust cannot be placed upon her, she is a stranger who made an attempt to kill and nothing more,how can someone put trust on such person wihtout any kind of warranty? Either you find someone that is willing to supervise her meanwhile you are cleaning up the tower(The mages of the circle in the previous room or companions)or you kill her if she doesn't want to be recruited.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 7, 2017 17:49:39 GMT
And I do not deny that. Secrets are the big mistake of the Wardens. That's why I like that, if you allow them to help the Inquisition in DA:I, the southern Wardens (meaning, Orlais and Ferelden chapters) sever ties with Weisshaupt and become more open with the populace about their roles. No more secrets. I don't think their secrets are a mistake, they are a mistake only when done between themselves. like what Duncan did with Alistair ,he told him almost everything about being a GW(including how the AD need to be killed by a GW with close combat which you can ask him since Ostagar) but he didn't told to him about the AD spirit process of reincarnation which doesn't make sense and was done to make the Landsmeet contrived on purpose. I doubt Janeka and Larius knew about Corypheus powers of reincarnation and they were GW Commanders....If they knew about that I doubt they would have ever asked to Hawke to kill Corypheus.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 7, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
And I do not deny that. Secrets are the big mistake of the Wardens. That's why I like that, if you allow them to help the Inquisition in DA:I, the southern Wardens (meaning, Orlais and Ferelden chapters) sever ties with Weisshaupt and become more open with the populace about their roles. No more secrets. I don't think their secrets are a mistake, they are a mistake only when done between themselves. like what Duncan did with Alistair ,he told him almost everything about being a GW(including how the AD need to be killed by a GW with close combat which you can ask him since Ostagar) but he didn't told to him about the AD spirit process of reincarnation which doesn't make sense and was done to make the Landsmeet contrived on purpose. I doubt Janeka and Larius knew about Corypheus powers of reincarnation and they were GW Commanders....If they knew about that I doubt they would have ever asked to Hawke to kill Corypheus. Janeka asked Hawke to help to free Corypheus, and to bond him to Janeka. Only Larius asked Hawke to kill him.
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Post by Abraxas on Jun 8, 2017 11:45:00 GMT
The majority of the GW never saw disciples of the Darkspawns(Awakening is proof of that) ,having heard about them doesn't equate about knowing them. You are talking about those few high rank elitè wardens of Weisshaupt (First Warden,Chamberlain and the WC of Weisshaupt),but many of the Commanders knows nothing about them they don't even know that they exist as Kristoff and the others Wardens sent from Orlais in Awakening implied. That a junior GW doesn't know on how to kill an AD when an AD is around is a severe issue,an issue that Duncan(and his group of GW) had 6th months of time to resolve if they wanted to,but I guess the fault is more of the writers than manipulated the plot in that way rather than of Duncan. I guess you're talking about the rare emissaries that can talk? The ones from the codex in DA:I? If you read the codex from DA:O (read the hurlock codex from Origins, for instance), it says that emissaries can talk ("These darkspawn are the only ones recorded as being capable of human speech"), so that isn't something new to DA:I. That concept existed right away from Origins. Seeing those codex are from the perspective of our Warden (they are updated according to our decisions or when our Warden learns something new), that means those codex are what out Warden knows about the world. And if the Hurlock codex says Emissaries can talk, that means our Warden knew about that (either by meeting one in the Fifth Bligh or because Alistair talked about, off-screen). So, that means even junior Wardens know about those. And those aren't intelligent darkspawn to the level of the Disciples, who can think for themselves. Even talking emissaries only live for the Old Gods, as they are the ones who ensure the darkspawn search them instead of killing each other. As for Duncan not telling about the sacrifice to Alistair, Riordan assumed Duncan did it, until he noticed he didn't. So, it seems (leaving metagaming aside) that is Duncan's mistake, not the whole Grey Warden's mistake. As for Janeka and Larius, what Catilina said. Janeka was aware of Corypheus rare powers and his ability to influence the Wardens ( as she found the records of Sashamiri an the other Wardens who dealt with Corypheus in the First Blight). Only Larius wanted to kill Corypheus, and the guy was a ghouled Warden at the time. He wasn't thinking straight, to say.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 8, 2017 12:48:08 GMT
I don't think their secrets are a mistake, they are a mistake only when done between themselves. like what Duncan did with Alistair ,he told him almost everything about being a GW(including how the AD need to be killed by a GW with close combat which you can ask him since Ostagar) but he didn't told to him about the AD spirit process of reincarnation which doesn't make sense and was done to make the Landsmeet contrived on purpose.The truth about why the Wardens are the only ones capable of killing an Archdemon seems to only be told to Senior Wardens and Warden-Commanders. They are the most experienced Wardens and who's corruption has gone the furthest, making them the most ideal candidates to sacrifice themselves to slay it. Riordan makes this clear in dialogue; Warden: Why is this such a secret? Why doesn't everyone know this? Riordan: We keep it secret for the same reason the Joining is kept secret. Who would become a Grey Warden if they knew the end that might await them? And yet there must be Grey Wardens. Without us, there is no hope. Warden: So it's up to the three of us to kill this thing? Riordan: In Blights past, when the time came the eldest of the Grey Wardens would decide which amongst them would take the final blow. If possible, the final blow should be mine to make. I am the eldest, and the taint will not spare me much longer. Duncan also is adamant prior to Ostagar that if the Archdemon appears, the Senior Wardens in the valley will handle it. Warden: What if the Archdemon appears? Alistair: We soil our drawers, that's what. Duncan: If it does, leave it to us. I want no heroics from either of you. The Wardens purposefully withhold information from their younger members, dishing it out on small batches as not to overwhelm them all at once. It'd be lunacy to tell them everything all at once, because you'd risk more desertion within the ranks, manpower that the Wardens already can't afford to lose. It makes more sense to only tell Wardens information when it's prudent, relevant to the situation or they've demonstrated that they're not liable to desert. Would you prefer more people to freak out like Jory did upon learning the truth about the Joining? What about how (if they're lucky) Wardens have about 30 years before they succumb to the corruption. Another potential lie is that Wardens go to their Calling to prevent dying from the taint. The existence of Larius however, as well as the codex entries speaking of the physical changes that occur, suggest the Calling is really meant to allow Wardens to die as themselves, rather than becoming mindless ghouls. So yeah, it's completely reasonable why the Wardens wouldn't tell new meat like Alistair and the Warden some of their most closely guarded secrets. How to kill the Archdemon was need to know information and the new recruits didn't need to know. Duncan and the other Senior Wardens could never have foreseen the series of disasters (Cailan ignoring the strategy, Ishal being overrun, the signal being delayed, Loghain quitting the field) that would lead to their demise during the battle. And keep in mind, it's not like being outside the valley was any safer.... only Flemeth's timely intervention prevented the Darkspawn from turning Alistair and the Warden into walking pincushions.
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 9, 2017 9:32:09 GMT
I don't think their secrets are a mistake, they are a mistake only when done between themselves. like what Duncan did with Alistair ,he told him almost everything about being a GW(including how the AD need to be killed by a GW with close combat which you can ask him since Ostagar) but he didn't told to him about the AD spirit process of reincarnation which doesn't make sense and was done to make the Landsmeet contrived on purpose.The truth about why the Wardens are the only ones capable of killing an Archdemon seems to only be told to Senior Wardens and Warden-Commanders. They are the most experienced Wardens and who's corruption has gone the furthest, making them the most ideal candidates to sacrifice themselves to slay it. Riordan makes this clear in dialogue; Warden: Why is this such a secret? Why doesn't everyone know this? Riordan: We keep it secret for the same reason the Joining is kept secret. Who would become a Grey Warden if they knew the end that might await them? And yet there must be Grey Wardens. Without us, there is no hope. Warden: So it's up to the three of us to kill this thing? Riordan: In Blights past, when the time came the eldest of the Grey Wardens would decide which amongst them would take the final blow. If possible, the final blow should be mine to make. I am the eldest, and the taint will not spare me much longer. Duncan also is adamant prior to Ostagar that if the Archdemon appears, the Senior Wardens in the valley will handle it. Warden: What if the Archdemon appears? Alistair: We soil our drawers, that's what. Duncan: If it does, leave it to us. I want no heroics from either of you. The Wardens purposefully withhold information from their younger members, dishing it out on small batches as not to overwhelm them all at once. It'd be lunacy to tell them everything all at once, because you'd risk more desertion within the ranks, manpower that the Wardens already can't afford to lose. It makes more sense to only tell Wardens information when it's prudent, relevant to the situation or they've demonstrated that they're not liable to desert. Would you prefer more people to freak out like Jory did upon learning the truth about the Joining? What about how (if they're lucky) Wardens have about 30 years before they succumb to the corruption. Another potential lie is that Wardens go to their Calling to prevent dying from the taint. The existence of Larius however, as well as the codex entries speaking of the physical changes that occur, suggest the Calling is really meant to allow Wardens to die as themselves, rather than becoming mindless ghouls. So yeah, it's completely reasonable why the Wardens wouldn't tell new meat like Alistair and the Warden some of their most closely guarded secrets. How to kill the Archdemon was need to know information and the new recruits didn't need to know. Duncan and the other Senior Wardens could never have foreseen the series of disasters (Cailan ignoring the strategy, Ishal being overrun, the signal being delayed, Loghain quitting the field) that would lead to their demise during the battle. And keep in mind, it's not like being outside the valley was any safer.... only Flemeth's timely intervention prevented the Darkspawn from turning Alistair and the Warden into walking pincushions. Duncan saying in Ostagar that he will handle the AD with the senior GW despite him being on the frontlines with them against 10000+ darkspawns just show how incompetent he was. How does he kill an Archdemon(if it shows up) when ten thousands darkspawns are killing him?This is all beyond Cailan and Loghain,as I said regardless of what these two did,Duncan decided on himself to challenge Ten thousand Darkspawns from the frontlines and he had committed all the senior GW in this reckless action,all why he was well aware of the US. His probability of death in Ostagar was so high that his fate would have most likely not changed even if Cailan would have been the greatest king of all.Riordan's filmsy had hoc narrative justification are all over the top,the GW don't make the US a secret between themselves only Duncan is guilty of that.An Archdemon is equally vulnerable to GW regardless of their Age,so a Junior GW can kill it just as a senior one,which means that make the juniors purposely ignorant about that it decrease the chances of victory.Lastly.you're reasoining are imbued with metaknowledge as you just assume that Riordan needs to survive to Arle Howe tortures to tell you about the US,well what if he didn't?What if Howe would have killed him?You would have challenged the AD in complete ignorance of his reincarnation.
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Post by secretrare on Jun 9, 2017 9:39:20 GMT
The stupid of those two GW was unquantifiable but I don't blame them,I know why the writers pulled the strings to manipulate the narrative in this way,to help that **** who I murdernknifed in WH.
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Post by Prince on Jun 9, 2017 10:09:25 GMT
You got it wrong Sifr Riordan stated that he expected from the Warden to know about the US long before he even made the revelation,that's why he didn't said anything prior to the Landsmeet because he thought that Warden knew about that and not because he was hiding it(Now I personally see it as mediocre writing made ala Gaider's, as there was no reason for Riordan to not verify that in few seconds).Senior GW don't hide the US from Non-Senior GW(where did you even got that?Can't you see that Riordan is surprised to know that you didn't know?),only Duncan did that and Gaider forced him to do that because of the reasons stated above by the other user,to help in Morrigan's non mandatory plotline.
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Post by oyabun on Jun 9, 2017 11:14:27 GMT
Senior GW don't hide the US from Non-Senior GW There are some secrets that the GW don't share between themselves,they are all secrets known by their First Warden and Chamberlain(they are such secrets that not even the player know about it),so the elitè of their order, however the US is not one of them as even a false GW like Blackwall knew about it in DAI. Now to return on topic does this woman have a name or should i continue to call her as "woman"?
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Post by Catilina on Jun 9, 2017 11:52:56 GMT
Senior GW don't hide the US from Non-Senior GW There are some secrets that the GW don't share between themselves,they are all secrets known by their First Warden and Chamberlain(they are such secrets that not even the player know about it),so the elitè of their order, however the US is not one of them as even a false GW like Blackwall knew about it in DAI. Now to return on topic does this woman have a name or should i continue to call her as "woman"? Everyone has a name. Just perhaps, we do not know what's.
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Post by oyabun on Jun 9, 2017 13:17:05 GMT
Everyone has a name. Just perhaps, we do not know what's. In the toolset they put these kind of informations sometime,so maybe if one finds her dialogues in the Toolset they can find what her name is.
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Post by Abraxas on Jun 10, 2017 11:33:53 GMT
She is called "Blood Mage" if you target her in the fight. She has no name in game, I guess, because her character was just put to give players a dilemma of blood magic and the pleas of mages.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 10, 2017 11:38:55 GMT
She is called "Blood Mage" if you target her in the fight. She has no name in game, I guess, because her character was just put to give players a dilemma of blood magic and the pleas of mages.A good point.
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 11, 2017 16:15:29 GMT
Janeka asked Hawke to help to free Corypheus, and to bond him to Janeka. Only Larius asked Hawke to kill him. Janeka agreed to kill Corypheus when she failed to control him which means she also didn't know about his ability.
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Post by oyabun on Jun 11, 2017 16:18:46 GMT
She is called "Blood Mage" if you target her in the fight. She has no name in game, I guess, because her character was just put to give players a dilemma of blood magic and the pleas of mages. What she is called in the game is irrelevant,usually the Toolset has more infos than the base game so she may have a name in there.
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 13, 2017 12:24:18 GMT
Alistair was most definetly the most difficult Kill/spare choice, his desertion in the Landsmeet(in front of all the nobles) had the potential to influence others soldiers of the army in doing the same,and once again since there was no option to put him in a jail I did not stopped his execution regardless of the fact that he was a friend.Duty comes before everything for a true unbiased GW. Kill that imbecile is the good option,not only he is punished for desertion but he also can't kill Yavana in the silent groove.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 13, 2017 15:12:48 GMT
Alistair was most definetly the most difficult Kill/spare choice, his desertion in the Landsmeet(in front of all the nobles) had the potential to influence others soldiers of the army in doing the same,and once again since there was no option to put him in a jail I did not stopped his execution regardless of the fact that he was a friend.Duty comes before everything for a true unbiased GW. Kill that imbecile is the good option,not only he is punished for desertion but he also can't kill Yavana in the silent groove. Maybe I misunderstod, but you think, killing Alistair is a good choice, but executing Loghain is evil choice?
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Post by Mark7 on Jun 14, 2017 2:18:56 GMT
Kill that imbecile is the good option,not only he is punished for desertion but he also can't kill Yavana in the silent groove. Maybe I misunderstod, but you think, killing Alistair is a good choice, but executing Loghain is evil choice? Killing Loghain is only a form of retribution which serves nothing to the purpose of killing Urthemiel,so it is based only on bias. Killing Alistair instead it is based on the fact that it prevents it's desertion so it's functional on the main goal in which it gives example to everyone of the punishment that will be given for desertions. This argument is above good and evil,which are concepts that cannot be objectively defined by humans,they always change based on what people feel,so I'm not invested to waste time to know what is good or evil for other people.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Jun 14, 2017 2:26:24 GMT
That's the same mindset of Sten. He approves when you recruit Loghain because Qunari don't like to waste resources(this is his banter about the choice).
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 16, 2017 7:25:03 GMT
Loghain have to survive and become a Warden for one simple reason - I prefer to sacrifice him in DAI instead of Hawke or Alistair.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 17, 2017 22:12:12 GMT
Riordan stated that he expected from the Warden to know about the US long before he even made the revelation,that's why he didn't said anything prior to the Landsmeet because he thought that Warden knew about that and not because he was hiding it(Now I personally see it as mediocre writing made ala Gaider's, as there was no reason for Riordan to not verify that in few seconds).Senior GW don't hide the US from Non-Senior GW(where did you even got that?Can't you see that Riordan is surprised to know that you didn't know?),only Duncan did that and Gaider forced him to do that because of the reasons stated above by the other user,to help in Morrigan's non mandatory plotline. This only confirms that Riordan assumed that Duncan would have told them, not that it's normal policy for raw recruits to be told. Not counting that the Fereldan Warden branch was already small to begin with (thus increasing the odds that each Warden would have ending up as the one to finish the Archdemon) any normal secrecy rules the Wardens might have might be waived during a Blight anyway... although that doesn't explain why Duncan refused to tell us. Personally however I see two explanations for this. The first being that he planned to do so after the battle of Ostagar, only to never get a chance. The second is the same reason why he kept Alistair out of any major fighting and insisted that the Senior Wardens would handle the Archdemon if it showed up at Ostagar. As Riordan states, "Duncan always had a soft-spot for his recruits". Rewatching the Landsmeet, you can even see the moment when Riordan twigs that neither the Warden or Alistair knew about the Ultimate Sacrifice. If they'd known prior to this point, they'd have immediately picked up on why he was suggesting to put Loghain through the Joining and why they needed as many Wardens on the field as possible, because three was not enough. As for where the idea comes from that the older Wardens keep things from the younger members, Loghain states in DAI that Senior Wardens are trusted with more secrets, his decade of service being how he became one of the few who know of the existence of Corypheus. Only Warden-Commanders and a select few Senior Wardens seem to know of the Vimmark Prison's existence as well, since a Warden Bethany/Carver (at most joined for 7 years) weren't aware of it in Legacy. There are some secrets that the GW don't share between themselves,they are all secrets known by their First Warden and Chamberlain(they are such secrets that not even the player know about it),so the elitè of their order, however the US is not one of them as even a false GW like Blackwall knew about it in DAI. It's unlikely that Blackwall actually knew. Inquisitor: How do the Wardens deal with Archdemons? Blackwall: Short answer? Stick it with swords until it stops moving. Inquisitor: Wardens are in all the stories. If it was that easy, anyone could do it. Blackwall: No, it really is that simple. Just because the Archdemon is magic, doesn't mean it can't be killed with swords. It just... has to be a... Grey Warden sword. Look, it's not the killing blow that's the problem, it's getting the Dragon to the point where it's vulnerable, where it actually can be killed. Blackwall has an extremely noticeable pause prior him commenting on it having to be a Warden's sword, making it far more likely he was scrambling for an answer rather than deliberately concealing the truth. That he immediately deflects the question to how the hard part is getting the Archdemon vulnerable, suggests that doesn't really know and was trying not to get caught out in a lie. At most he knows that a Warden is necessary to slay the Archdemon, but he doesn't know why. This is consistent with most of what Blackwall states about Wardens, which tends to be basic stuff or vague enough to get by, without actually getting into details that would tip him as a fraud.
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