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Post by Catilina on Jun 12, 2017 15:49:32 GMT
Well he may have turned into a demon of vengeance but i like the idea that he was a demon the whole time and pride demons are the ones most likely to be able to pull something like this off. Remember mouse from the mage origin? I think that's a pretty good example of pride demon craftiness right there. If a demon can pretend to be a Circle mage, why can't it pretend to be a spirit of justice? Think about how old these demons are. They've existed in the Fade watching and studying elves and humans for the entirety of the time these two peoples have been around. Eons uncounting. I imagine they've learned how to effectively manipulate us in all that time. You don't have to agree with me though. I'm not trying to convince you. I just like the idea of it. Did you actually play with Awakening, and knew Justice and his banters with Anders/Nathaniel?
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 12, 2017 17:09:40 GMT
I played it. Don't remember every detail though. Doubt there's any dialogue that can blow my idea away though. In fact, i challenge you to find some!
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Post by Catilina on Jun 12, 2017 17:27:54 GMT
I played it. Don't remember every detail though. Doubt there's any dialogue that can blow my idea away though. In fact, i challenge you to find some! Justice: You have not paid for your crime yet, mortal. Nathaniel: Still stewing over that, are you? Justice: You have been freed, but you have not offered penance. Nathaniel: Isn't being forced to listen to you, penance enough?
Nathaniel: Do you do anything besides ponder what is just and unjust? Justice: It is not all I do. It does, however, define my being. Nathaniel: So you were born just? A little, self-righteous baby of justice crawling around the Fade? Justice: I was not born. I simply am. Anders: Why do spirits seek out mages? I've always wondered. Justice: You speak of demons. I am not a demon. Anders: Aren't demons simply spirits with unique and sparkling personalities? Justice: They have been perverted by their desires. Anders: But what do they want from mages? Justice: Perhaps they wish the same as I: silence. Justice: I see that your feline companion remains with you. Anders: He seems happy enough. Isn't that right, Ser Pounce-a-lot? Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) Justice: To enslave another creature does not seem just. Anders: He's not a slave! He's a friend. And he's also a cat. Justice: A cat that lacks freedom. Anders: Just ignore him, Ser Pounce-a-lot. They don't have pets in the Fade, apparently. Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) This is not a pride demon (nor even demon – my opinion). But ofc, you can belive it.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 12, 2017 17:43:54 GMT
I do not support either terrorism or anarchism, but the plot and the character appeals to me, because it draws on historic figures in the nineteenth to early twentieth century. My upbringing makes it very hard not to romanticize revolutionary figures & my upbringing was as one-sided as a Westerner's but since I had ample time to review your PoV, I can see that. Most folks here in the West are too far removed from the realities of the revolutions that brought about their current unprecedented prosperity to understand how necessary it is, and what it truly means to have nothing and be truly oppressed. Overall, ignorance and absence of interest in human history is one of the greatest losses with the over-emphasis on the science/technology parts of modern education. If it's taught to the masses at all, it's condensed to platitudes and a handful of dates. Well, of course they can't truly relate to the story. Most people who claim to be oppressed today are not, no matter how much they'd like to be. In any case, I believe no one said it better than that blood mage in Broken Circle. "Andraste waged war on the Imperium; she didn't write them a strongly worded letter. She reshaped civilization, freed the slaves, and gave us the Chantry. But people died for it."
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 12, 2017 17:49:33 GMT
@river: I didn't know/forgot about the tranquil thing. Isn't there a cure for it though? Anyway if Seekers aren't a superior alternative to Templars then it makes even more sense to just have the mages handle it. The cost of mundanes attempting to hang with the big boys is too great imo. Either a drug addled simpleton or a soulless meatbot? No thanks. It's all yours mages. There is a cure for Tranquility, but... well, we don't really know what's going on there, but the process of becoming a Seeker is to be made Tranquil and then cured. We don't know if there's more to becoming a Seeker than that, or if this implies that mages can be made Seekers. We do know that the spirit that cures Tranquility for the Seekers doesn't it do if the Tranquil in question isn't "pure," (I don't think we know what this word means in this context) which I'd guess is meant to protect the spirit from being corrupted. That's why I said that if the ritual fails, the potential Seeker is permanently Tranquil. (Another spirit could cure the Tranquil, but if the first one didn't that probably means its a bad idea to cure that person.) As for whether or not its worth it to imbue mundanes with magic to be let them handles mages: well, you said that a magocracy is inevitable. And I'll be honest, there's arguments to be made in that direction. But if it can be prevented, Templars and Seekers are probably how. And it's worth doing if it can be done, since while the current rulers of Southern Thedas are bad, they're not as bad as similarly immoral people who have the ability to empower themselves by harming and killing their subjects would be. That, and there's only so many mages, and not all of the ones who don't join up to do bad things will join up to do good ones. Which is not to say I don't think it's worth getting mage assistance for this. Even after the Templars and Seekers are empowered a mage can still do things they can't. I just don't think its wise to have them as the only line of defense.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 13, 2017 12:32:46 GMT
@river:
A magocracy isn't inherently bad. They're just people after all. People that can warp reality but still just people. They can be as good or as bad as anyone else.
The Tevinter of old wasn't terrible because of mage leadership. It was terrible because the people leading it were terrible. They just happened to be mages.
If the people feel a need to revolt they have a chance of success because the populace also contains mages. They're individuals and not a unified body.
Empires fall. No matter how powerful. It happened to Tevinter. It happened to Rome. It happened to Britain.
There's no need for people to ruin themselves in order to gain the ability to combat magic when there are already people that have the innate ability to combat magic and are willing to do so.
Why should I ruin myself to take down Doctor Octopus when Spider-Man could do it but better? Why should I ruin myself to take down a rogue mage when another mage can do it but better?
Just let the more capable people handle it.
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Post by phoray on Jun 13, 2017 14:04:56 GMT
Justice: I see that your feline companion remains with you. Anders: He seems happy enough. Isn't that right, Ser Pounce-a-lot? Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) Justice: To enslave another creature does not seem just. Anders: He's not a slave! He's a friend. And he's also a cat. Justice: A cat that lacks freedom. Anders: Just ignore him, Ser Pounce-a-lot. They don't have pets in the Fade, apparently. Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) This is not a pride demon (nor even demon – my opinion). But ofc, you can belive it. hahaha for some reason I'd never heard this one. Amusing AF
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 13, 2017 15:34:43 GMT
@river: A magocracy isn't inherently bad. They're just people after all. People that can warp reality but still just people. They can be as good or as bad as anyone else. The Tevinter of old wasn't terrible because of mage leadership. It was terrible because the people leading it were terrible. They just happened to be mages. If the people feel a need to revolt they have a chance of success because the populace also contains mages. They're individuals and not a unified body. Empires fall. No matter how powerful. It happened to Tevinter. It happened to Rome. It happened to Britain. There's no need for people to ruin themselves in order to gain the ability to combat magic when there are already people that have the innate ability to combat magic and are willing to do so. Why should I ruin myself to take down Doctor Octopus when Spider-Man could do it but better? Why should I ruin myself to take down a rogue mage when another mage can do it but better? Just let the more capable people handle it. The fact that they're mages isn't the problem with a magocracy. Or at least, that's not the problem in and of itself. You don't seem to be bearing in mind that terrible mages in this setting have a form of power that works better the more terrible you are, making them more dangerous to serve than a similarly immoral non-mage would have been (since the similarly immoral non-mage has less incentive to kill innocents than someone who tangibly generates power by doing so) and hard for a mage who isn't willing to sink to their level to take down.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 15, 2017 10:52:43 GMT
@river:
So team up against him then.
Or get him while he's sleeping or taking a shit.
Or poison his food.
Also, what kind of power are we talking about here? This evil mage may not give a shit about taking innocent life but how exactly would that make him more powerful than a more civil minded mage? Ruthlessness /= strength
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Post by Catilina on Jun 15, 2017 10:55:16 GMT
@river: So team up against him then. Or get him while he's sleeping or taking a shit. Or poison his food. Also, what kind of power are we talking about here? This evil mage may not give a shit about taking innocent life but how exactly would that make him more powerful than a more civil minded mage? Ruthlessness /= strength Great example of this case is Loghain, who used Uldred.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jun 15, 2017 15:12:43 GMT
@river: So team up against him then. Or get him while he's sleeping or taking a shit. Or poison his food. The first one can very easily result in the mage killing some of the team. A breakable addiction honestly seems worse to you? The rest of it needs to go exactly right, or the attacker is screwed. The lyrium makes doing this somewhat safer, and you're overstating the certainty with which it will destroy the templar. Didn't you do Cullen's quest in Inquisition? Was I honestly not making it obvious enough that I was talking about blood magic?
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 16, 2017 6:36:35 GMT
@river: So team up against him then. Or get him while he's sleeping or taking a shit. Or poison his food. Also, what kind of power are we talking about here? This evil mage may not give a shit about taking innocent life but how exactly would that make him more powerful than a more civil minded mage? Ruthlessness /= strength Great example of this case is Loghain, who used Uldred. I don't understand what you're trying to say...
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Jun 16, 2017 6:58:32 GMT
@river: So team up against him then. Or get him while he's sleeping or taking a shit. Or poison his food. The first one can very easily result in the mage killing some of the team. A breakable addiction honestly seems worse to you? The rest of it needs to go exactly right, or the attacker is screwed. The lyrium makes doing this somewhat safer, and you're overstating the certainty with which it will destroy the templar. Didn't you do Cullen's quest in Inquisition? Was I honestly not making it obvious enough that I was talking about blood magic? Dood what? Someone is gonna throw a fireball and accidentally kill his own people? Really? That's your rebuttal? I could just as easily say a Templar is gonna accidentally behead one of his own men. That's just ridiculous. When attempting to assassinate someone, of course it's prudent to you know, actually pull it off successfully. Come on man. Smh Everything a Templar can do, a mage can do and more. And without the need for expensive lyrium and its unfortunate side effects of heavy addiction and neural decay from long term use. The best way to fight magic is with magic. Good guys can use blood magic too. It isn't evil or anything.
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Post by Catilina on Jun 16, 2017 9:56:34 GMT
Great example of this case is Loghain, who used Uldred. I don't understand what you're trying to say... Just an addition to the question, that the mages can be dangerous, the non-mages are harmless. Loghain a non-mage ruler, who abused his power, and jeopardized the whole Ferelden, and used magical power (Uldred) to making chaos. Meredith, a Templar Commander used magical power (red lyrium) because she wasn't able to resist the temptation (just as some mages). Lord Seeker Lucius dealt with a demon for power. Knight-Captain Denam used red lyrium to control his own people and for more power. Not only the mages can be dangerous in this magical world.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jul 11, 2017 5:05:47 GMT
The thing about mages is that some random mage who makes a poor choice can do a lot more damage than some random dude who makes the same poor choice.
It's the difference between a guy with an AK-47 and a guy with a wifflebat.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2017 10:53:16 GMT
The thing about mages is that some random mage who makes a poor choice can do a lot more damage than some random dude who makes the same poor choice. It's the difference between a guy with an AK-47 and a guy with a wifflebat. A random guy ofc, but combined with a magical stuff and/or an army... and/or a mage, who works for him/her (a mage can be manipulated, just as everyone else and can be a weapon in someone's hand). Everyone can be dangerous. The possible danger does not justify imprisonment
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jul 11, 2017 16:27:19 GMT
It may, however, justify some mandatory training and vetting.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2017 17:20:37 GMT
It may, however, justify some mandatory training and vetting. Nobody deny that.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 14, 2017 8:56:34 GMT
Justice: I see that your feline companion remains with you. Anders: He seems happy enough. Isn't that right, Ser Pounce-a-lot? Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) Justice: To enslave another creature does not seem just. Anders: He's not a slave! He's a friend. And he's also a cat. Justice: A cat that lacks freedom. Anders: Just ignore him, Ser Pounce-a-lot. They don't have pets in the Fade, apparently. Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) What if it wasn't the Wardens who made Anders give up Ser Pounce-a-lot, but Justice? He already disapproved of his "enslavement" of another creature and maybe he thought that owning a cat made Anders "too soft" to be willing to do the things he needed to in order to free the mages. Perhaps Justice made him forget that he left Ser Pounce behind when he fled the Wardens, making him believe it was the Wardens who disapproved?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 14, 2017 10:19:01 GMT
Justice: I see that your feline companion remains with you. Anders: He seems happy enough. Isn't that right, Ser Pounce-a-lot? Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) Justice: To enslave another creature does not seem just. Anders: He's not a slave! He's a friend. And he's also a cat. Justice: A cat that lacks freedom. Anders: Just ignore him, Ser Pounce-a-lot. They don't have pets in the Fade, apparently. Ser Pounce-a-lot: (Meow!) What if it wasn't the Wardens who made Anders give up Ser Pounce-a-lot, but Justice? He already disapproved of his "enslavement" of another creature and maybe he thought that owning a cat made Anders "too soft" to be willing to do the things he needed to in order to free the mages. Perhaps Justice made him forget that he left Ser Pounce behind when he fled the Wardens, making him believe it was the Wardens who disapproved? True, Justice may consider Ser Pounce-a-lot as a distracting factor, like Hawke in romance. May he able to made Anders forget. But he able to manipulate Anders' mind to implant other memories instead? Perhaps, but this is what a demon would do, so: I don't really like this version. (So many people want to see Justice as an evil thing, what spoiled this pretty cute boy, but Anders was never cute, and Justice's not evil – at least in my eyes.) If he would do it due some "benevolent" though, I even don't think, that Justice would do such a thing: 1. he's not the Spirit of Compassion, I don't believe, that he would have thought about it; 2. Mind controll's still demon things – as I see. But I don't think so, because of Hawke's case. Justice didn't approve their love relationship (at least in the beginning), but he didn't prevent this, just tried to make him understand, that he doesn't agree. But Anders' will's seems stronger, or Justice doesn't want to prevent, only to express his disagreement. Justice doesn't prevent their relationship even in the rivalry when Hawke constantly tries to discourage Anders, and to break his faith – despite that this relationship seriously jeopardizes their cause. So: in this case, he has a very good reason to prevent this, but he does not – or Anders's will still stronger...
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Post by tacsear on Jul 14, 2017 11:03:13 GMT
Now there is a twist:
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Post by Sifr on Jul 14, 2017 11:37:52 GMT
I've disliked Justice in the past, but it occurred to me recently that perhaps the reason that most abominations seem to go off the deep end was because the Spirit and host aren't wholly compatible with each other? In contrast, we've seen that Avvar mages and Wynne can exist in harmony with the Spirits within them.
Maybe it's because Wynne was a woman of strong faith (as is Evangeline) so there was no conflict between the host personality and the ideal that the Spirit embodies? From what she tells us, the Spirit of Faith was drawn to Wynne many years before it stepped into save her life. The Avvar likewise from close connections with their "Gods", as well as those whom serve as "teacher" for young mages.
It's worth noting the only time that Wynne even came close to becoming an abomination was during Asunder, where she briefly loses her faith after Rhys is imprisoned. She becomes so determined to save her son, she almost lets herself get overcome by rage and vengeance, before her friends smacked some sense back into her.
Maybe the reason why Anders never harmonised with Justice is because their ideals, motivations and intentions were not in alignment? Anders main concern seemed more about gaining freedom for mages, while Justice was more focussed on holding the Templars accountable for their abuses.
While Anders wasn't a fan of Templars even back in Awakening, he never really sought to punish them before he merged with Justice. His far more prominent anti-Templar and bitter attitude in DA2 might be Justice amplifying that part of his personality, compared to the far more passive-aggressive mockery he reserved for Templars in Awakening.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 14, 2017 13:05:59 GMT
I've disliked Justice in the past, but it occurred to me recently that perhaps the reason that most abominations seem to go off the deep end was because the Spirit and host aren't wholly compatible with each other? In contrast, we've seen that Avvar mages and Wynne can exist in harmony with the Spirits within them.
Maybe it's because Wynne was a woman of strong faith (as is Evangeline) so there was no conflict between the host personality and the ideal that the Spirit embodies? From what she tells us, the Spirit of Faith was drawn to Wynne many years before it stepped into save her life. The Avvar likewise from close connections with their "Gods", as well as those whom serve as "teacher" for young mages.
It's worth noting the only time that Wynne even came close to becoming an abomination was during Asunder, where she briefly loses her faith after Rhys is imprisoned. She becomes so determined to save her son, she almost lets herself get overcome by rage and vengeance, before her friends smacked some sense back into her.
Maybe the reason why Anders never harmonised with Justice is because their ideals, motivations and intentions were not in alignment? Anders main concern seemed more about gaining freedom for mages, while Justice was more focussed on holding the Templars accountable for their abuses.
While Anders wasn't a fan of Templars even back in Awakening, he never really sought to punish them before he merged with Justice. His far more prominent anti-Templar and bitter attitude in DA2 might be Justice amplifying that part of his personality, compared to the far more passive-aggressive mockery he reserved for Templars in Awakening. Justice was one of my favorites in Awakening, so, probably I'm biased toward him. I found him more interesting than Anders, and liked his rigidity (coldness?) and sometimes when he realized that not so simple is the righteousness... Justice wanted to eliminate the unjust toward the Mages, the punishment of the Templars was only secondary goal, I think, he didn't blame the Templars, because they only did their duty, the wrong law, what the served, was the Chantry's law, and not all Templars abused their power. ANDERS was, who wasn't able to get rid of his anger, when he saw a Templar. (He also afraid, that his anger corrupted Justice.) So: despite that, this seems weird, I think, rather Anders' anger was vengeance. Neither Anders nor Justice didn't want to kill the "Templars". But Anders fear's strong, same as Fenris's fear from the Mages (Fenris also don't want to kill the "Mages", not even the "Magisters"). Just try to imagine, what would happen, if Justice would merge with Fenris... This is not Justice's own nature, this is rather Anders' anger/fear. So: Anders and Justice's compatibility was pretty good: Anders and Justice wanted the same thing: justice for the mages. But Justice not that easy spirit, than the Faith (true, if Wynne would inclined to bigotry... who know), the border between justice and vengeance always blurred: who can say, that an execution of a murderer is justice, or simple vengeance? And Anders was very angry and biased. Justice without Anders, would be objective, as possible (he even courrupted, when he trapped outside the Fade), with Anders he lost his objectivity. Justice doesn't have his own emotions, Anders has (at least not same way as the mortals). When Justice feel, that Anders so angry, he takes the control over him, to protect him ( Anders' short story, Karl's case, Ella's case). I suppose this is not vengeance, this is Justice's solution to handle the danger. Justice's less diplomatic or charming, than Anders, when feels direct danger – because he's a spirit (not compassion), not a human – and Anders is horrified when he wakes up, because he's a human and not an evil one. This is the compatibility problem between them: thinking as a spirit and thinking as a human. It can not be easy to learn to live together, but seems, already succeed, or at least not impossible.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 15, 2017 7:20:33 GMT
I've disliked Justice in the past, but it occurred to me recently that perhaps the reason that most abominations seem to go off the deep end was because the Spirit and host aren't wholly compatible with each other? In contrast, we've seen that Avvar mages and Wynne can exist in harmony with the Spirits within them. Maybe it's because Wynne was a woman of strong faith (as is Evangeline) so there was no conflict between the host personality and the ideal that the Spirit embodies? From what she tells us, the Spirit of Faith was drawn to Wynne many years before it stepped into save her life. The Avvar likewise from close connections with their "Gods", as well as those whom serve as "teacher" for young mages. It's worth noting the only time that Wynne even came close to becoming an abomination was during Asunder, where she briefly loses her faith after Rhys is imprisoned. She becomes so determined to save her son, she almost lets herself get overcome by rage and vengeance, before her friends smacked some sense back into her. Maybe the reason why Anders never harmonised with Justice is because their ideals, motivations and intentions were not in alignment? Anders main concern seemed more about gaining freedom for mages, while Justice was more focussed on holding the Templars accountable for their abuses. While Anders wasn't a fan of Templars even back in Awakening, he never really sought to punish them before he merged with Justice. His far more prominent anti-Templar and bitter attitude in DA2 might be Justice amplifying that part of his personality, compared to the far more passive-aggressive mockery he reserved for Templars in Awakening. I really dig that explanation. It makes sense. Maybe, Anders and Justice could have become compatible, if they would not have gone to Kirkwall of all cities. Corruoted by ghosts of the past from the bloodbath of the Tevinter and by Corypheus, it's probably not a city suited for a healthy spirit/human relationship. That explanation reminds me a bit of the Trills in Deep Space Nine: hosts have to undergo rigorous training and when they suceed, it will be decided which symbiont fits the best with which host. Dax had one host in teh past, that didn't really fit and it resulted in something similar as the blown up church
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jul 15, 2017 8:06:30 GMT
The thing about mages is that some random mage who makes a poor choice can do a lot more damage than some random dude who makes the same poor choice. It's the difference between a guy with an AK-47 and a guy with a wifflebat. A random guy ofc, but combined with a magical stuff and/or an army... and/or a mage, who works for him/her (a mage can be manipulated, just as everyone else and can be a weapon in someone's hand). Everyone can be dangerous. The possible danger does not justify imprisonment Why is the fact that a random guy can manipulate a mage into working for him a reason mages aren't dangerous? Yeah, the manipulator is a lot of the problem, and he can probably manipulate non-mages too, but he'd be much less dangerous if the mage was locked up.
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