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Post by Highwayman667 on Dec 24, 2020 22:43:21 GMT
i hope we don't get a specific country origin sometimes If we follow the pattern, we might be playing an orlesian in DA4 !
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Post by colfoley on Dec 24, 2020 22:48:55 GMT
i hope we don't get a specific country origin sometimes If we follow the pattern, we might be playing an orlesian in DA4 ! Yeah I agree with that. I mean I am still of 2 minds. 1. We should be from Tevinter because personally Tevinter is the most interesting country on the continent and I would love to be a native of that country...that being said it does leave a lot of issues with role playing and that the character you are playing will know more then the player. A delicate line to walk in an RPG. And yes, while that is the pattern I really do not want to be an Orlesian. 2. We shouldn't be from a country and just have a generic background as we can that way we can fill the background in with our own headcannons -or- make our country of origin tied with whatever our starting organization and/or class. So Antivan Crows, Tevinter Siccari, Neverran Mortalitassi, etc. The problem with it (though at least for me far smaller then the the problem above) is that the accents might not match given that certain accents tend to be country specific.
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Post by phoray on Dec 24, 2020 23:02:44 GMT
i hope we don't get a specific country origin sometimes why? Did it really matter that a human noble was from the free marches in DAI that you need even less background than what accounted to less than 10 lines of dialogue?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 24, 2020 23:07:53 GMT
i hope we don't get a specific country origin sometimes why? Did it really matter that a human noble was from the free marches in DAI that you need even less background than what accounted to less than 10 lines of dialogue? Well if the protag is from Orlais this time, that means they need an *Orlesian accent*, honhonhonhonhon baguette du fromage.
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Post by phoray on Dec 24, 2020 23:11:55 GMT
why? Did it really matter that a human noble was from the free marches in DAI that you need even less background than what accounted to less than 10 lines of dialogue? Well if the protag is from Orlais this time, that means they need an *Orlesian accent*, honhonhonhonhon baguette du fromage. oh gawd, no. MAybe that's why they made everyone from the Free Marches. Can you imagine if the accent of Mother Giselle was our default option?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 24, 2020 23:21:52 GMT
Well if the protag is from Orlais this time, that means they need an *Orlesian accent*, honhonhonhonhon baguette du fromage. oh gawd, no. MAybe that's why they made everyone from the Free Marches. Can you imagine if the accent of Mother Giselle was our default option? I want Steve Martin as Inspector Clouseau.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 25, 2020 1:17:05 GMT
i hope we don't get a specific country origin sometimes why? Did it really matter that a human noble was from the free marches in DAI that you need even less background than what accounted to less than 10 lines of dialogue? Under most normal circumstances I would agree with you. I do view it as a collaboration between us and BioWare so them writing a bit of a backstory to serve as a launching pad for role playing is always a good thing, or at least an appreciated one. However I do also have to recognize that such things usually are rife with problems. And it carries the risk with it, as I mentioned above, of people compalaining that their characters know too much about a given topic that they do not...or that they know too little of a given topic and that they should...because of their back story...know more. See a lot of the complaints about a Dalish Inquisitor not knowing who Mythal is, for instance. So it might give them the most wiggle room possible to make the Origin of our new characters as open to interpretation as possible both for them to create...and for us to role play. After all if the goal is to create a powerless protagonist which no one sees coming what better way to do that then to make them no one, from nowhere?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Dec 25, 2020 2:02:23 GMT
I'm fairly confident he'll only be present in an advisory role, probably as a liaison to Kirkwall/Free Marches.
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Post by Adia on Dec 25, 2020 10:33:12 GMT
Let me guess: It'll come to either letting Varric die heroically or committing an entire genocide.
There's no way they're going to have Varric for a 3rd game without making sure the majority of us are killing him in most of our playthroughs. Especially since they've been flirting with that idea ever since DA2.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 11:11:29 GMT
Okay, may be what follows is stretching credibility but I do wonder if these references are mere co-incidence.
We first hear of the Executors in DAI and they seem to represent "powers across the sea". They are also mentioned in Hard in Hightown codex, where the person says they are just a myth. Now since Varric wrote Hard in Hightown before the events in DAI, it would seem that he was including the name of a shadowy group, said to be a myth, that later turn out to be real. Their existence is confirmed in Tevinter Nights.
So I was looking up something in WoT2 and came across a reference to Varric where the author is warning people, in particular students of the Chantry, not to take too much notice of anything Varric writes and any book by him should be "burned on sheer principle". I am not entirely sure who the author of this is meant to be but it is contained among writings by Genetivi, so may be he is responsible given the warning is principally directed at would be Chantry scholars.
Anyway, I noticed that among the works listed for Varric is a novel called "The Viper's Nest". This made me sit up a bit because in the recent short story Minrathous Shadows a character is introduced going by the name of The Viper and when the Magister sees him she is taken aback by the sight because "The Viper's just a tale". Initially I assumed, like many people, that they were referring to some character that was part of rumours in the Tevinter underworld, rather as Lucanis has become known as the Demon. However, what if they actually meant they thought the Viper was literally just a character in a story penned by Varric Tethras (whose works I am sure have reached Tevinter).
So what is going on here? Is it just coincidence or is another character/organisation that were originally part of a work of fiction by Varric going to turn out to actually be true? What do you think?
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Post by fluffysmom on Dec 25, 2020 12:09:03 GMT
Okay, may be what follows is stretching credibility but I do wonder if these references are mere co-incidence. We first hear of the Executors in DAI and they seem to represent "powers across the sea". They are also mentioned in Hard in Hightown codex, where the person says they are just a myth. Now since Varric wrote Hard in Hightown before the events in DAI, it would seem that he was including the name of a shadowy group, said to be a myth, that later turn out to be real. Their existence is confirmed in Tevinter Nights. So I was looking up something in WoT2 and came across a reference to Varric where the author is warning people, in particular students of the Chantry, not to take too much notice of anything Varric writes and any book by him should be "burned on sheer principle". I am not entirely sure who the author of this is meant to be but it is contained among writings by Genetivi, so may be he is responsible given the warning is principally directed at would be Chantry scholars. Anyway, I noticed that among the works listed for Varric is a novel called "T he Viper's Nest". This made me sit up a bit because in the recent short story Minrathous Shadows a character is introduced going by the name of The Viper and when the Magister sees him she is taken aback by the sight because "The Viper's just a tale". Initially I assumed, like many people, that they were referring to some character that was part of rumours in the Tevinter underworld, rather as Lucanis has become known as the Demon. However, what if they actually meant they thought the Viper was literally just a character in a story penned by Varric Tethras (whose works I am sure have reached Tevinter). So what is going on here? Is it just coincidence or is another character/organisation that were originally part of a work of fiction by Varric going to turn out to actually be true? What do you think? This actually made me think of the Black Fox from Origins. Actually who I thought you were referring to for a sec before I refreshed my memory. Now I’m hoping there’s some mention of them (Fox and crew) since their stories have them dealing with Tevinter before disappearing inside Arlathan forest, never to be seen again. Would be a nice call back, I think. As for Varric and a possible link? I guess it would be a cool nod and something he’d get a kick out of but I’m honestly tired of hearing about his stories and characters fawning over them. That’s just my own opinion though. I’d rather learn more about him outside of that and Bianca. Not trying to complain. He used to be one of my favorites and now I find him boring and I’m bitter about it. 🙃 You did remind me that I need to finish reading though~
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
I’m honestly tired of hearing about his stories and characters fawning over them I wasn't suggesting it would be a good thing. Honestly, it would be odd if he kept writing about characters in his fiction that turn out to be real, suggesting that actually he knows more than we imagine he should. I just wondered if it was possible that the writers have done this deliberately or whether the writer of Minrathous Shadows had forgotten about that reference to the fictional works of Varric?
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Post by fluffysmom on Dec 25, 2020 12:27:07 GMT
I’m honestly tired of hearing about his stories and characters fawning over them I wasn't suggesting it would be a good thing. Honestly, it would be odd if he kept writing about characters in his fiction that turn out to be real, suggesting that actually he knows more than we imagine he should. I just wondered if it was possible that the writers have done this deliberately or whether the writer of Minrathous Shadows had forgotten about that reference to the fictional works of Varric? Ah, I took it to mean that someone simply liked his story and took the name. Which would still annoy me. lol That would be more likely to me if there is a connection at all. The Viper is a cool name though. Best character in Game of Thrones. They were an elf mixed up with the Merchant’s Guild, right?
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 25, 2020 12:58:12 GMT
If we follow the pattern, we might be playing an orlesian in DA4 ! Yeah I agree with that. I mean I am still of 2 minds. 1. We should be from Tevinter because personally Tevinter is the most interesting country on the continent and I would love to be a native of that country...that being said it does leave a lot of issues with role playing and that the character you are playing will know more then the player. A delicate line to walk in an RPG. And yes, while that is the pattern I really do not want to be an Orlesian. 2. We shouldn't be from a country and just have a generic background as we can that way we can fill the background in with our own headcannons -or- make our country of origin tied with whatever our starting organization and/or class. So Antivan Crows, Tevinter Siccari, Neverran Mortalitassi, etc. The problem with it (though at least for me far smaller then the the problem above) is that the accents might not match given that certain accents tend to be country specific. My problem with two is i know to little for a DAI Beginning. Sorry but i would love origins like in DAO, because we haven't exactly experienced how it is to grow up there. I know the comics and all the stuff, but that is not enough for role playing. the bold scentence is for me more in two because you know there less of the country (except Ferelden, elve and orzammar) A reason why we be in DA2 a Ferelden person. DAI was no role playing for me.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 25, 2020 13:02:56 GMT
why? Did it really matter that a human noble was from the free marches in DAI that you need even less background than what accounted to less than 10 lines of dialogue? Under most normal circumstances I would agree with you. I do view it as a collaboration between us and BioWare so them writing a bit of a backstory to serve as a launching pad for role playing is always a good thing, or at least an appreciated one. However I do also have to recognize that such things usually are rife with problems. And it carries the risk with it, as I mentioned above, of people compalaining that their characters know too much about a given topic that they do not...or that they know too little of a given topic and that they should...because of their back story...know more. See a lot of the complaints about a Dalish Inquisitor not knowing who Mythal is, for instance. So it might give them the most wiggle room possible to make the Origin of our new characters as open to interpretation as possible both for them to create...and for us to role play. After all if the goal is to create a powerless protagonist which no one sees coming what better way to do that then to make them no one, from nowhere? that is a mistake of the writer, not a problem of a backstory. And how will you role play someone from nowhere?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 14:20:48 GMT
They were an elf mixed up with the Merchant’s Guild, right? Apparently the hero of the story is an elven courier from darktown. The synopsis says that the story is told from the PoV of a complete outsider. So the elf could have been from anywhere before coming to darktown. It pre-dates the events of DA2 as well, being written in 9:23, so over 20 years before the events we are going to be involved in. So it seems unlikely the character there is exactly the same as the one in the latest story but since we are not given a description of them, we have no way of knowing for certain. It does seem odd though that the Magister instantly recognised them as the Viper, so there must be something distinctive about their appearance and an elf would fit with the declaration that they are the "Tevinter that you forgot". I'm hoping that there is no connection with Varric's book as that would make the character a complete unknown, which is much more intriguing, but given the previous use of the Executors by Varric, I can't help wondering. After all, if there was a Viper active in Tevinter, he would probably have heard about them from Maevaris. You have a point in mentioning the Black Fox. May be the Viper is someone with a similar sort of notoriety in Tevinter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 14:39:23 GMT
And how will you role play someone from nowhere? This is why I thought starting as a slave would be the best alternative to keep the PC largely a blank slate. Whether they had been born a slave or been captured as a child, they would have no country of origin other than Tevinter but if their household had been something of a backwater estate, away from the main urban centres then you wouldn't be familiar with the state of affairs there or many Tevinter customs of its actual citizens. According to Fenris, Denarius didn't even bother teaching him about the state religion, possibly because Denarius didn't follow it himself, although Fenris says it is because it wasn't thought necessary for his role. In Calpernia's story she only received an education from Erasthenes once he realised she was a mage and even then he only taught her enough to keep her safe from possession after which he ignored her again. It has also been stated that they don't even bother to teach the slaves to read and write unless they need them to do so for their role. They are normally trained in a profession,, which can include military training but that is about all. So it would be believable that a slave might be in ignorance about a lot of aspects of Tevinter outside of their home estate and you really cannot have a position of less power than that of a slave as a starting point. It would also mean we could have a fairly neutral accent. I really hope they don't make our PC from Orlais because that would be awful. However, if they had been born in Orlais but taken to Tevinter as a child, then that would solve the awful accent problem and also still be largely a blank slate as I explain above.
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Post by phoray on Dec 25, 2020 19:04:18 GMT
I'm cool with the Lords of Fortune being a job/Origin so long as we could actually meet with the other guildmembers and create our relationships with them that are then reflected in the world afterwards. In this situation, we'd all have the same guild and the same building, and it would be the relationships that would change. People with different wants, people who could betray you later if you didn't help.(ala DA2 rivaling Fenris felt VERY different from being on the friendship path)
Becoming a Merc for 1 of 2 options ala Hawke in Act 1 worked the same way, although not as deeply as I'd like. I just want a playground to establish who I am- the lore of myself, before going off to save anyone and especially the world. I do miss being from a homeland I knew, though. Saying Inky was from the Free Marshes was all well and good, but my only concept of the Free Marches was Kirkwall, and our character was definitely not from Kirkwall. Fereldan gave me so much roots to the world, as someon efrom there that then played the whole game in Fereldan, to Hawke who was from a town we'd literally crawled over in the prior game.
In DAI the only towns we experiences was Redliffe and Val Royoex.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 25, 2020 22:10:40 GMT
In DAI the only towns we experiences was Redliffe and Val Royoex. Well towns is bit of a stretch here. Redcliffe doesn´t like anything in DAO (even the burned part) and is more a small fishing village. And Val Royeaux is a big disappointment. Its just a marketplace without any of cool established & famous buildings of the city.
For this reason i would consider that Val Royeaux should be viewed as the worst level in DAI and not the Hinterlands (from a lore point of view).
Back to the topic: I wonder if Varric is still Viscount in DA 4 or someone else? If he is i may sound inconsistent
but i won´t mind another cameo of Seneschal Bran.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 22:53:40 GMT
Its just a marketplace without any of cool established & famous buildings of the city. The annoying part for me is that even if they were going to restrict us to that one small district of the city, they should at least have taken the trouble to show the iconic landmark buildings on the skyline. Yet if you go to the upper level and look out there isn't even the suggestion of a large city there, just mountains surrounding it, when I thought Val Royeaux was on the coast, and that was it. So we might just as well have been in a small provincial town. This is why I would rather they did one city really well rather than attempt several that amount to no more than one or two districts within a whole that we never see.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 25, 2020 22:57:00 GMT
I wonder if Varric is still Viscount in DA 4 or someone else? I think it is more likely that whilst officially he is still Viscount, he probably leaves Bran (and Hawke if alive) to do the day to day work of running the place even when he is actually there and if we do meet him in person then it will probably be in a northern location, may be Maevaris' Minrathous estate, or some outpost on the border of Tevinter, rather than down in Kirkwall.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 26, 2020 6:25:15 GMT
Varric in the latest comics and book has been a recruiter and contact, playing a supporting to off-camera role.
It wouldn't surprise me if his role in da4 was similar in nature. Narrating a trailer is no guarantee of being a main character, Morrigan was neither a companion nor an adviser in dai, and flemeth had an even smaller role in da2 despite narrating the destiny trailer. They pick a character whose voice you'll recognise.
Though I suspect he'll get at least one large conversation in the form of providing a first hand account of the Red lyrium idol and it's effects. What with it appearing to be a big macguffin in the next game. Perhaps he'll even accompany us for one quest to do with it, much like Hawke and the Warden accompanied us for Here Lies the Abyss. Or how Morrigan came to mythals temple.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 26, 2020 9:02:33 GMT
And how will you role play someone from nowhere? This is why I thought starting as a slave would be the best alternative to keep the PC largely a blank slate. Whether they had been born a slave or been captured as a child, they would have no country of origin other than Tevinter but if their household had been something of a backwater estate, away from the main urban centres then you wouldn't be familiar with the state of affairs there or many Tevinter customs of its actual citizens. According to Fenris, Denarius didn't even bother teaching him about the state religion, possibly because Denarius didn't follow it himself, although Fenris says it is because it wasn't thought necessary for his role. In Calpernia's story she only received an education from Erasthenes once he realised she was a mage and even then he only taught her enough to keep her safe from possession after which he ignored her again. It has also been stated that they don't even bother to teach the slaves to read and write unless they need them to do so for their role. They are normally trained in a profession,, which can include military training but that is about all. So it would be believable that a slave might be in ignorance about a lot of aspects of Tevinter outside of their home estate and you really cannot have a position of less power than that of a slave as a starting point. It would also mean we could have a fairly neutral accent. I really hope they don't make our PC from Orlais because that would be awful. However, if they had been born in Orlais but taken to Tevinter as a child, then that would solve the awful accent problem and also still be largely a blank slate as I explain above. I had an idea. And i know some of you will hate it, but i have to tell you. So sorry in advance.
DA4 = 4tes Book of Moses (Numeri) = in the desert
What if we start in Anderfels? The only desert i know around there.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Dec 26, 2020 14:21:34 GMT
Narrating a trailer is no guarantee of being a main character No but the "I´ve got your back" line is one. Without that line i would i agree with you but with this line it would be absolute pointless if Varric isn´t a major character in DA 4.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 26, 2020 21:41:39 GMT
What if we start in Anderfels? The only desert i know around there. The Silent Plains are also largely wasteland with some weird magical phenomena in places owing to Dumat having died there, I think.
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