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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 12, 2017 14:28:06 GMT
So, I'm liking the trailer a lot. Looks great.
BUT!
Bioware has burned us multiple times before with their larger than life gameplay reveal trailers, and then failing to deliver a bunch of the stuff int he final game. They've done it multiple times before, and they WILL do it this time (don't be naive...).
So my main question is: what will they not deliver in the final game as shown in this trailer?
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 12, 2017 14:33:37 GMT
"You will live with the choices you make or die trying to change them."
Remember the "Will you save this world or lead it to ruin" (or however it was worded) from the first DAI trailer?
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 12, 2017 14:37:41 GMT
This was obviously a heavily staged vertical slice of the game intended to show off an experience.
That said, I think a lot of this stuff will be in. I have my doubts about the living world though. If they can actually make one where the animals fight one another I'll be surprised. I'm hopeful about the dynamic weather, but that's another one I'm skeptical about.
Hopefully it will still look this good on Ultra settings for the PC and Xbox One X, but probably not for PS4 and vanilla XBONE.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 12, 2017 14:41:07 GMT
"You will live with the choices you make or die trying to change them." Remember the "Will you save this world or lead it to ruin" (or however it was worded) from the first DAI trailer? Well technically if you die or never finish DAI you do lead the world to ruins. Saying that, I believe that the Shaper Storms have something with "You will live with the choices you make or die trying to change them". It was mentioned that the Shaper Storm alter the game world, maybe they also allow you to redo missions and change their outcomes and it's not (just) physical gameworld reshaping. That said, I think a lot of this stuff will be in. I have my doubts about the living world though. If they can actually make one where the animals fight one another I'll be surprised. I'm hopeful about the dynamic weather, but that's another one I'm skeptical about. The animals fighting each others was in DAI already (somewhat). I once had a bear running after a wolf that was running after a halla...lol
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 12, 2017 14:50:34 GMT
That said, I think a lot of this stuff will be in. I have my doubts about the living world though. If they can actually make one where the animals fight one another I'll be surprised. I'm hopeful about the dynamic weather, but that's another one I'm skeptical about. The animals fighting each others was in DAI already (somewhat). I once had a bear running after a wolf that was running after a halla...lol Lol, now that a I think of it there were a few instances, so I guess that isn't very far fetched. Although I guess the real "living world" test will be in the hub. I seriously doubt we'll see crowds as active or reactive as they were in that opening scene. If anything, that was the part that seemed the most artificial, not likely to be true to gameplay. I also just hope there's a lot more to see in this hub.
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Post by Fogg on Jun 12, 2017 14:58:32 GMT
Having a nice, immersive conversations with squad mates.
In the real game you'll mainly hear stuff about your mother and people will be glory hunting to get top score at the end of the mission.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 12, 2017 15:06:27 GMT
It's true, that this demo is as far away from launch (actually longer) than the Crestwood demo was from DAI.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 12, 2017 15:10:27 GMT
It's true, that this demo is as far away from launch (actually longer) than the Crestwood demo was from DAI. That demo still gets me mad thinking about it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 12, 2017 15:11:47 GMT
It's true, that this demo is as far away from launch (actually longer) than the Crestwood demo was from DAI. That demo still gets me mad thinking about it. Not that BioWare actually released that demo (it was covertly recorded), as we recall...
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 12, 2017 15:17:24 GMT
Yeah, we're still ˜17 months away from release, so this was, as Heimdall points out, a heavily massaged vertical slice. I do have trouble believing they will be able to hit this level of fidelity, rendering distance, and lighting in the final game (even on the PC). It would be awesome beyond words if they could... Gameplay-wise it's a little more nebulous - I do think they can hit the major gameplay notes in the final game given the release date.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Jun 12, 2017 15:57:28 GMT
Graphics ,obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:01:02 GMT
Graphics. Then again Frostbite has never had a big downgrade scandal, has it? Not on the level of Ubisoft anyway.
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Post by aznricepuff on Jun 12, 2017 16:46:49 GMT
Graphics will almost certainly take a hit between now and launch. If not, I will be very surprised. Specifically, I expect much more aggressive LOD in the open world, and I doubt the hubs will be as crowded as in the trailer - no game with frostbite has ever had sophisticated crowd AI, so either number of NPCs will get scaled down or we'll end up with a lot that do nothing but stand in one place.
I do think bioware will deliver on all or most of the gameplay features they showed. The shaper storms seemed like a pretty big gameplay feature, so I doubt they will be cut. I'm hoping for more dynamic weather than that, though, especially weather that can change gameplay rather than being purely cosmetic. I'm also fairly confident they can pull off the whole "living world" aspect to at least some degree, but the big question is how impactful will it really be? Wildlife fighting each other looks cool in a demo, but in every game where I've seen it (Far Cry, Tomb Raider, hell even DAI) it's more or less purely eye candy and had no effect on the larger game world. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, however.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 13, 2017 7:22:58 GMT
I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised, however. No! I demand you be a cynic! How dare you be optimistic on the internet! :poop:
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Post by Uchimura on Jun 14, 2017 1:08:07 GMT
I'd say content. This will quickly run dry.
People on day 1 of release: Can't wait to get to endgame! People on day 2 of release: WTF THERE'S NO ENDGAME!?
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Post by slimgrin on Jun 16, 2017 0:32:55 GMT
I can tell you right now those visuals will not be in the final game. This was a glorified vertical slice.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 16, 2017 7:48:53 GMT
I can tell you right now those visuals will not be in the final game. This was a glorified vertical slice. Sad panda is sad... Although... I don't own a 4k tv/monitor anyway so it wouldn't matter much Then again, personally, I'd rather have a more vivid world with animals/beasts/weather and swaying trees in the wind than just that extra layer of pixels.
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Post by aznricepuff on Jun 16, 2017 13:24:22 GMT
Digital Foundry recently did a in-depth analysis of the E3 trailer here. Their conclusion was that there was nothing about the graphics shown in the trailer that couldn't feasibly be included on release for the XboneX, and in fact they point out several things that could even potentially look better on a high-end PC setup. Basically according to them, the trailer looked like an actual game running on console (albeit XboneX level) hardware rather than an ultra-produced trailer (from a graphics standpoint). This, and after watching the Battlefront 2 multiplayer demo (specifically the parts where the player is flying over the city), which is run on the same engine and is much closer to release, I'm feeling more confident that just maybe, the Anthem team can pull off the level of visual fidelity shown in the trailer for the final game, at least at the equivalent of high/ultra settings for PC, and maybe for the XboneX as well.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 16, 2017 14:34:53 GMT
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For most consoles, the graphics will be downgraded (ie: no 4K support) with 30FPS.
Also: 1. No large loot storage chest. 2. No cheap upgrades. 3. No romance 4. Dying will reduce your stats 5. No LAN capabilities 6. No offline mode.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 16, 2017 16:29:09 GMT
Digital Foundry recently did a in-depth analysis of the E3 trailer here. Their conclusion was that there was nothing about the graphics shown in the trailer that couldn't feasibly be included on release for the XboneX, and in fact they point out several things that could even potentially look better on a high-end PC setup. Basically according to them, the trailer looked like an actual game running on console (albeit XboneX level) hardware rather than an ultra-produced trailer (from a graphics standpoint). This, and after watching the Battlefront 2 multiplayer demo (specifically the parts where the player is flying over the city), which is run on the same engine and is much closer to release, I'm feeling more confident that just maybe, the Anthem team can pull off the level of visual fidelity shown in the trailer for the final game, at least at the equivalent of high/ultra settings for PC, and maybe for the XboneX as well. I watched that last night, and I have to admit, the analysis was pretty impressive. While I'm still not 100% convinced, I am entertaining the notion it could be now. Still as long ways off though... www.tshirtvortex.net/wp-content/uploads/I-Want-To-Believe-In-Santa.jpg
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