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Post by cribbian on Jun 21, 2017 8:52:07 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. World building is something that the vast majority of games, even RPGs, tend to be pretty weak in. If the lore in Anthem is anywhere as good as the lore in the first Mass Effect (subsequent games derailed it) that would be a huge plus for the quality of the game. They need to bring back Chris L'etoile
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Jun 22, 2017 9:37:57 GMT
I'll admit, it has piqued my interest...but that's about all. Guess we'll see in time. Beyond this, my interest in this new franchise could best be described as...tepid.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 22, 2017 16:27:19 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. World building is something that the vast majority of games, even RPGs, tend to be pretty weak in. If the lore in Anthem is anywhere as good as the lore in the first Mass Effect (subsequent games derailed it) that would be a huge plus for the quality of the game. David Gaider also worked on it for a year before he left to become creative director at Beamdog. Lore and worldbuilding was probably his best talent, so I'm intrigued.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 22, 2017 16:59:17 GMT
-(_ANTHEM_)-
No reason to get excited at this stage. I'll wait until more information is available.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jun 23, 2017 1:26:20 GMT
HK robot wasn't funny at all?
Did we play the same game?
...
Gaider and Drew touching this is not a bad thing. Proven hands, if not always great at least proven.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jun 23, 2017 19:19:19 GMT
Crap, if Drew is on board, I might have to buy this game after all... just when I thought I was out.
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Post by danishgambit on Jun 25, 2017 6:37:15 GMT
Ha! I guess they're pulling out the big guns on this one...
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Post by warrior on Jun 25, 2017 17:34:50 GMT
*google him* He wrote ME2 so I'm not getting my hopes up He wrote ME2 so I'm getting my hopes up Yeah ME2 with w/ DLC is pretty much my GOAT so this news is maybe the only thing keeping me hopeful and interested here
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 5, 2017 12:32:11 GMT
Honestly, Drew K is overrated if you ask me. His style of writing was always exposition dump first and foremost and not exactly character building. Good at world building though, which I think Anthem needs to set it apart. It's a fair fit for sure, but he's not as a good as folks make him out to be. This. Read his ME novels, which were pretty OK in the pulp-y sci-fi kind of way, but nothing in them or the ME trilogy has convinced me he is the outstanding writer and source of everything good and holy in the ME IP many in the fandom tout him as. ((I also hate his version of the trilogy ending even more than the original endings))
Also, video games are a group effort when it comes to writing (... and everything else, really) and so putting too much faith in one writer is probably not very accurate IMO. Mass Effect had five, and ME2 seven (plus one dialogue editor), other writers in addition to Drew (although, since my source is IMDB, that might not be 100 % accurate), and they collaborate on a lot of stuff. So my favourite scene or quest in ME1/ME2 might have several writers, and Drew might be responsible for nothing but the general outline and critical points of the quest/scene. Having said that, it's great to see that the project has a lead writer who 1) has worked with Bioware before, 2) has experience with world building and creating new IPs, and 3) has worked as a lead writer before. Can't say that I am very interested in Anthem ATM, but I am confident that he has the necessary experience for the project despite the fact that I am not personally convinced he is the narrative wonder-boy certain people seem to see him as. Just out of curiosity, why do you think Drew's original ending to the trilogy would have been worse?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 5, 2017 13:33:08 GMT
HK robot wasn't funny at all? Did we play the same game? ... Gaider and Drew touching this is not a bad thing. Proven hands, if not always great at least proven. Call me a simpleton, but I enjoyed the hell out HK-47. The only character that I couldn't trust completely. He was nightmare material.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 5, 2017 14:07:28 GMT
HK robot wasn't funny at all? Did we play the same game? ... Gaider and Drew touching this is not a bad thing. Proven hands, if not always great at least proven. Call me a simpleton, but I enjoyed the hell out HK-47. The only character that I couldn't trust completely. He was nightmare material. I loved him too. Both games.
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Post by MissOuJ on Jul 5, 2017 17:34:42 GMT
Just out of curiosity, why do you think Drew's original ending to the trilogy would have been worse? Not any particular reason other than I just didn't like it because IMO, it just doesn't add up, honestly. I know what we know about the ending ideas are just rough outlines, but the whole dark energy destroying civilizations and the Reapers "saving the galaxy" by cleaning the slate every 50,000 yrs... by building and using technology that causes the problem in the first place just doesn't make sense. Not to mention that according to Drew himself, they were throwing around some pretty out there ideas (including Shepard being unknowingly an alien, which... no). And at one point (can't find the source now, might've been a rumour) I heard that one possible ending included Shepard having a choice between allowing humanity to be harvested into a Reaper to stop the dark energy degradation or whatever they were going to call it, and saving the humanity and trying to find a way to fix the problem without the Reapers' help, which just reeks of human exceptionalism (particularly when you take into account Harbinger's dialogue during ME2) - which I am not a really big fan of as a trope in sci-fi in general. ME3 endings are not, by any means, perfect, and the delivery alone is really bad (looking at you, Deux Ex Machina Starchild and MacGuffin Catalyst). But at least there's some logic behind the chain of events. An AI goes rogue because its creator didn't consider all parameters, starts a cycle that is meant to speed evolution to the conclusion it has calculated to be most optimal considering its programming parameters, rinse and repeat until it reaches its desired outcome. It's not Shakespeare, and very, very far from perfect (not to mention that you basically need to buy DLC to figure most of it out), and like I mentioned the above, the delivery really sucked, but it is somewhat plausible and logical, and IMO better than what Drew had planned - from what we know. And, to be fair, what we know for certain is very little, not to mention what it could've / would've morfed into - Drew is a pretty solid writer, after all. But as it stands and based on what I've heard of it... honestly, I just dislike it more than the ME trilogy endings, which I ... tolerate, is probably the word.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Jul 22, 2017 16:53:08 GMT
HK robot wasn't funny at all? Did we play the same game? ... Gaider and Drew touching this is not a bad thing. Proven hands, if not always great at least proven. Not sure who you are attributing HK-47's creation to. Just to clarify, in case you are mistaken, David Gaider wrote HK-47 and not Drew Karpyshyn. That being said, Drew was the lead writer and created the main story as well as Revan and Malak. With regard to the topic at large, I'm not really understanding all of the hate for Drew Karpyshyn. He has been the lead writer on some of the greatest RPGs ever created: KOTOR 1, ME1, and ME2. The guy has an amazing track record, and while all of his material may not be gold, I certainly trust him to do a better job than some unknown element. Between Drew being involved with Anthem and Casey coming back to BioWare as the General Manager, it's quite possible that BioWare could have a new golden age of great RPGs. I'm excited for the future.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 23, 2017 2:54:39 GMT
HK robot wasn't funny at all? Did we play the same game? ... Gaider and Drew touching this is not a bad thing. Proven hands, if not always great at least proven. Not sure who you are attributing HK-47's creation to. Just to clarify, in case you are mistaken, David Gaider wrote HK-47 and not Drew Karpyshyn. That being said, Drew was the lead writer and created the main story as well as Revan and Malak. With regard to the topic at large, I'm not really understanding all of the hate for Drew Karpyshyn. He has been the lead writer on some of the greatest RPGs ever created: KOTOR 1, ME1, and ME2. The guy has an amazing track record, and while all of his material may not be gold, I certainly trust him to do a better job than some unknown element. Between Drew being involved with Anthem and Casey coming back to BioWare as the General Manager, it's quite possible that BioWare could have a new golden age of great RPGs. I'm excited for the future. Pretty sure you needed to read the post I was responding to to get the context. That person claimed that HK was not funny, like not at all. I was responding in that portion to that individual, and if I failed to actually quote someone it is because I didn't want to be a total jerk. As for the second part, about Drew and Gaider, I respect both and have enjoyed portions of their work a good deal over the years. I have also hated some of it, but they have a resume and that was what I was referring to. I think Drew made some unnecessary headcanons about Revan in his later novelizations, and that was to suit EA and prop up their shitty MMO, so for that I think he gets a lot of hate and deservedly so. Holden Caulfield had a name for that - a prostitute. He has talent but whores it.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Jul 23, 2017 3:59:27 GMT
Not sure who you are attributing HK-47's creation to. Just to clarify, in case you are mistaken, David Gaider wrote HK-47 and not Drew Karpyshyn. That being said, Drew was the lead writer and created the main story as well as Revan and Malak. With regard to the topic at large, I'm not really understanding all of the hate for Drew Karpyshyn. He has been the lead writer on some of the greatest RPGs ever created: KOTOR 1, ME1, and ME2. The guy has an amazing track record, and while all of his material may not be gold, I certainly trust him to do a better job than some unknown element. Between Drew being involved with Anthem and Casey coming back to BioWare as the General Manager, it's quite possible that BioWare could have a new golden age of great RPGs. I'm excited for the future. Pretty sure you needed to read the post I was responding to to get the context. That person claimed that HK was not funny, like not at all. I was responding in that portion to that individual, and if I failed to actually quote someone it is because I didn't want to be a total jerk. As for the second part, about Drew and Gaider, I respect both and have enjoyed portions of their work a good deal over the years. I have also hated some of it, but they have a resume and that was what I was referring to. I think Drew made some unnecessary headcanons about Revan in his later novelizations, and that was to suit EA and prop up their shitty MMO, so for that I think he gets a lot of hate and deservedly so. Holden Caulfield had a name for that - a prostitute. He has talent but whores it. I didn't see any post referring to HK-47, hence why I stated "in case you are mistaken." I was merely pointing out that HK-47 was written by David Gaider and not Drew Karpyshyn. Considering this is a thread about Drew Karpyshyn's involvement with Anthem, that is why I thought you might be confused. HK-47 being funny or not is irrelevant. I agree that BioWare should never have made a canon version of Revan and the Exile, since they ruined both characters. That being said, it was inevitable that BioWare was going to capitalize off the success and nostalgia of KOTOR 1 and 2 as much as they could. Blaming Drew is largely pointless, as someone else would have merely taken his place. Drew wasn't even involved in the Revan expansion for SWTOR (he had temporarily left BioWare at the time), which further ruined Revan's character beyond anything Drew ever did. I digress, though. We are starting from scratch with this game and I can't foresee Drew having to hijack our character.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 23, 2017 13:55:39 GMT
Apparently, that person deleted their post... I looked for it, but the thread is a bit thinner than it was. Interesting.
Yeah, pretty sure you completely misunderstood anything I was saying. At this point, I am not even sure what we are talking about. I know who wrote HK, I was never conflating the work of those two authors, and again only referred to HK to question a post that has since been deleted.
This is what happens when you necropost.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Jul 23, 2017 15:29:32 GMT
Apparently, that person deleted their post... I looked for it, but the thread is a bit thinner than it was. Interesting. Yeah, pretty sure you completely misunderstood anything I was saying. At this point, I am not even sure what we are talking about. I know who wrote HK, I was never conflating the work of those two authors, and again only referred to HK to question a post that has since been deleted. This is what happens when you necropost. Not an issue then. If you knew who wrote HK-47, then the discussion is resolved. Only my first point was referring to your post, which I found odd. The rest of my comment was speaking to Drew Karpyshyn's involvement on the project.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 23, 2017 15:39:37 GMT
And I agree with you. Drew being on the team is not a negative, it definitely helps in world building - he understands internal consistency.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Jul 23, 2017 18:35:13 GMT
And I agree with you. Drew being on the team is not a negative, it definitely helps in world building - he understands internal consistency. Agreed. It's still not clear what his role is on the project, other than that he is involved. Given his experience and past positions, I wouldn't be surprised if he became the lead writer after David left BioWare. For the sake of building a new IP, he's the best man for the job at BioWare. I'm less concerned about the story and setting and more concerned about the actual gameplay at this point.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 1, 2017 12:57:19 GMT
Hm, I am not sure just how much good Drew can contribute to a game that will likely not focus much if at all on storytelling and lore. But given his talent for world building there is at least -some- hope that the setting itself won't be totally awful.
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Post by Label07 on Oct 16, 2017 3:50:29 GMT
Agreed, ME3 trilogy would have been perfect had he written for the last game, first two were great. Loved one of the ME books he wrote as well, very glad to hear he is writing for this game.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 16, 2017 8:21:53 GMT
Agreed, ME3 trilogy would have been perfect had he written for the last game, first two were great. Loved one of the ME books he wrote as well, very glad to hear he is writing for this game. There is no guarantee that ME3 would have been any better if he was involved for the games changed a lot since the first one, the big one is the amount of dialogue required and how the team members evolved over time. Besides I think it is unfair to the rest of the team that worked on the writing of Mass Effect 1 to give all the credit to one person that has created some less then perfect work. In a lot of ways I think Drew left Edmonton before he could be made into the villain like Casey Hudson was, but I firmly believe if he stayed on people would have been calling for his termination as well.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 16, 2017 12:01:03 GMT
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Hm... yes I knew about it. No, I'm not that excited.
Thing is, I'm looking forwards to char development, dialogue and a compelling overall story. Four char co-op has no dialogue and the overall story is just background. Dialogue is really non existent with strangers in co-op play.
What I see is that DK is overseeing the development of story missions. Its purpose is to provide mission backgrounds as we see in the first Anthem video trailer. These may be well written but this device can't hold a candle to a Single Player campaign game. Thus, until I know more about this game, my reaction to DK's involvement is meh. (🌸=◡=)
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Post by simit on Mar 9, 2018 13:18:40 GMT
Mmm that is interesting an got me wondering if EA indeed will keep the Star Wars ip, but thats talk for another topic an ty for the links
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