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Post by simit on Mar 11, 2018 0:24:37 GMT
Im no worried at all tbh, Drew one of games writers am actually interested in ever since i read an re read his Bane trilogy an even though noone apparently liked what they did with Revan, truth be told it never bothered me an i enjoyed that book aswell, as Drew said on that it was going to be done no matter so he may aswell have done it an having read his blog numerous times way back when i still had a pc it is no surprise at all he left BioWare again, tbh im actually more surprised by the reaction as i always took him being there as temp an he was just asked to stay an help, it why when they said he was on for Anthem i was pretty happy but i was never under the impression he was back full time.
Needless to say this news is actually good news to me, an no not in any derogatory way to Drew, unless announced any other way i'll take it to mean Anthems story is ready minus tweaks an maybe inclusions.
GL to Drew in whatever he does now
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Mar 11, 2018 1:56:16 GMT
Usually when someone involved arts and entertainment is a long-term part of a company, leaves, comes back, and leaves again, it's because they realize they can't handle the schedule like they used to, they had a major falling out with someone, or both. I'm guessing it's a mix of both at work here, but with 0 knowledge of the real events to go on, I definitely can't say there's any meaningful ramifications.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 11, 2018 2:07:46 GMT
This bears a repost: Shokes @ap_shokesWith the loss of @drewkarpyshyn, one of the greatest writers in video games, .@caseydhudson .@gamblemike .@charalanahzard i have some very major concerns about @anthemgame. Will this be a story driven game that @bioware was known for? Because that's why I love your games Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonStory will always be an important part of every BioWare game. Drew has wrapped up his work on the project, but Anthem’s Lead Writers and their teams continue to do amazing work developing the world, story, and characters. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeStory has always been, and continues to be, a huge part of what we do!
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Post by river82 on Mar 11, 2018 2:43:34 GMT
This bears a repost: Shokes @ap_shokesWith the loss of @drewkarpyshyn, one of the greatest writers in video games, .@caseydhudson .@gamblemike .@charalanahzard i have some very major concerns about @anthemgame. Will this be a story driven game that @bioware was known for? Because that's why I love your games Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonStory will always be an important part of every BioWare game. Drew has wrapped up his work on the project, but Anthem’s Lead Writers and their teams continue to do amazing work developing the world, story, and characters. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeStory has always been, and continues to be, a huge part of what we do! I should point out that most of that is just PR speak. The only useful tidbit of information is that Drew has wrapped up his work on Anthem. The rest is just what you'd expect a story oriented company to say - "story is important, we still have amazing talent." Half of the fault lies with the person asking the question, it wasn't exactly an interesting question to ask and was always never going to net another response. It's almost as though the questioner was seeking reassurance rather than any actual information *shrugs*
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Post by snowleopard25 on Mar 11, 2018 3:46:08 GMT
All I know is that a guy with a huge career opportunity to make Anthem a great game has decided that he has better opportunities somewhere else.
Crickets chirping....
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 11, 2018 9:58:13 GMT
All I know is that a guy with a huge career opportunity to make Anthem a great game has decided that he has better opportunities somewhere else. Crickets chirping.... Er, this bit is kind of key... Drew has wrapped up his work on the project
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 11, 2018 12:22:20 GMT
This bears a repost: Shokes @ap_shokesWith the loss of @drewkarpyshyn, one of the greatest writers in video games, .@caseydhudson .@gamblemike .@charalanahzard i have some very major concerns about @anthemgame. Will this be a story driven game that @bioware was known for? Because that's why I love your games Casey Hudson @caseydhudsonStory will always be an important part of every BioWare game. Drew has wrapped up his work on the project, but Anthem’s Lead Writers and their teams continue to do amazing work developing the world, story, and characters. Michael Gamble @gamblemikeStory has always been, and continues to be, a huge part of what we do! Not to be overly negative but it wasnt just story that set Bioware apart as there were other devs being known for doing great (if not better) game stories as well. What set Bioware apart was the combination of story and player choice/agency. KOTOR, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age would not be the same if they all had linear stories where you couldn't make impactful decisions. This is another topic for another thread, but in a shared world game, how impactful can choices be?
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 11, 2018 13:36:22 GMT
This is another topic for another thread, but in a shared world game, how impactful can choices be? That's a pretty interesting question, I'll make a thread...
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Post by Amirit on Mar 11, 2018 16:45:20 GMT
Not to be overly negative but it wasnt just story that set Bioware apart as there were other devs being known for doing great (if not better) game stories as well. What set Bioware apart was the combination of story and player choice/agency. KOTOR, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age would not be the same if they all had linear stories where you couldn't make impactful decisions. This is another topic for another thread, but in a shared world game, how impactful can choices be? Play SWTOR and find out. Seriously, if you keep personal story separated from group content - it's easy. Raids, PvP maps, world bosses - repeatable, story - personal, and make all the choices you want. But those tweets confirmed my suspicion - writing as a whole is not finished yet ("...Anthem’s Lead Writers and their teams continue to do amazing work..."). At best Karpishin finished his own part and desided not to go back to SWTOR.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 11, 2018 18:21:23 GMT
What set Bioware apart was the combination of story and the blatant lack of player choice/agency. Fixed it for you.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 11, 2018 19:29:48 GMT
I finally got around to reading Drew's announcement directly and I'm only more convinced that he really just wants to pursue his own projects.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 11, 2018 23:01:39 GMT
I’m just going to go ahead and give a little promotion that actually seems to have done his research rather than panicking. Although he does seem to mix up some information about Drew’s first departure. Also, I think it still counts as clickbait if you include (not) in the title.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 12, 2018 17:46:29 GMT
I’m just going to go ahead and give a little promotion that actually seems to have done his research rather than panicking. Although he does seem to mix up some information about Drew’s first departure. Also, I think it still counts as clickbait if you include (not) in the title. I've always liked Kackis; he seems pretty level in his videos. I can't say that this is truly clickbait, even accounting for those who simply refuse to finish reading titles.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 14, 2018 3:02:54 GMT
I've always liked Smudboy, he seems level headed, not obsessive, not always looking for the pessimistic perspective and his analyses are 100% truth and 0% false.
I can also read Mike Gamble tweets here, yaaay. I can't normally cuz he blocked me for talking shit on Andromeda before it launched.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 14, 2018 6:45:32 GMT
One writer left...luckily BioWare employs more than one
They'll be fine
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Post by goishen on Mar 14, 2018 12:39:52 GMT
I finally got around to reading Drew's announcement directly and I'm only more convinced that he really just wants to pursue his own projects. Let me translate that for you.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 14, 2018 13:24:51 GMT
Meh, I never thought it'd be the holy grail of gaming with him on board. It's not like one writer touches a game like it's the finger of God and then it all awesome. It's a team effort to make good writing shine in a game. You can have decent game with mediocre writing, tho.
No, what I think you should rather look out for is if the director of the project is losing the head, like the guy with MEA did. You don't axe the responsible person for a project for no reason.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 14, 2018 17:15:26 GMT
One writer left...luckily BioWare employs more than one They'll be fine So writers are judged in quantity? Arguably the more writers you add the worse a story gets and also a lot of recent BioWare writers are kinda bad, although guys like Bryanne Battye, Cathleen Rosaert and such that came on around 2012 are decent. The problem is, Drew is one of the all-time greats at the company. His work on KOTOR, ME1 and 2 and SWTOR was pretty friggin solid and he's one writer who I never saw people complaining about over something he hadn't done to expectations. He writes big and he writes in-character for the story he writes for; that is something not all BioWare writers necessarily nail, especially not since there must be someone responsible for all the "message-fiction" writing seen in their recent games where the characters project political views or moral judgments to the player and not from character according to the setting they're in.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 14, 2018 17:36:37 GMT
One writer left...luckily BioWare employs more than one They'll be fine So writers are judged in quantity? Arguably the more writers you add the worse a story gets and also a lot of recent BioWare writers are kinda bad, although guys like Bryanne Battye, Cathleen Rosaert and such that came on around 2012 are decent. The problem is, Drew is one of the all-time greats at the company. His work on KOTOR, ME1 and 2 and SWTOR was pretty friggin solid and he's one writer who I never saw people complaining about over something he hadn't done to expectations. He writes big and he writes in-character for the story he writes for; that is something not all BioWare writers necessarily nail, especially not since there must be someone responsible for all the "message-fiction" writing seen in their recent games where the characters project political views or moral judgments to the player and not from character according to the setting they're in. Not denying that Drew wasn't a great writer - I really enjoyed his Star Wars and "Chaos Born" novels - but was more commenting on the idea that his departure meant that "Anthem" was in trouble. He came back in 2015 to assist on SWTOR and only moved on to "Anthem" in the Fall of 2017 so I got the feeling his role was more about expertise and consultation than him deep-diving into the "Anthem" universe and lore. It appears, per his blogpost and Casey's response, he was tasked with doing something specific and that is now done. Since "Anthem" wasn't his baby, like Star Wars or Mass Effect, I'm more comfortable with his leaving than I was during the development of Mass Effect 2
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 20, 2018 16:27:01 GMT
One writer left...luckily BioWare employs more than one They'll be fine So writers are judged in quantity? Arguably the more writers you add the worse a story gets and also a lot of recent BioWare writers are kinda bad, although guys like Bryanne Battye, Cathleen Rosaert and such that came on around 2012 are decent. The problem is, Drew is one of the all-time greats at the company. His work on KOTOR, ME1 and 2 and SWTOR was pretty friggin solid and he's one writer who I never saw people complaining about over something he hadn't done to expectations. He writes big and he writes in-character for the story he writes for; that is something not all BioWare writers necessarily nail, especially not since there must be someone responsible for all the "message-fiction" writing seen in their recent games where the characters project political views or moral judgments to the player and not from character according to the setting they're in. I'll just say it...Walters is a better writer than Drew k. And it's mostly in how walters did character focused storylines that were skillfully interwoven to a main plot better than Drew K ever did.Drew is good for world building, and in guessing he built the world here. If I remember correctly, Cathleen Roosart is now in charge of the writing team on Anthem, has been on the team since Dragon Age. I know she worked on swtor and mass effect 3, I have to double check that though. Still, it's not in ametuer hands is the point. Eta, looked it up she worked on Mass Effect 2. Andromeda was her first foray as a lead writer however. So my bad on my misinformation there, but Rooseart is a veteran here by Bioware standards. I think only Weekes is that long tenured now.
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Post by samhain444 on Mar 20, 2018 16:53:42 GMT
So writers are judged in quantity? Arguably the more writers you add the worse a story gets and also a lot of recent BioWare writers are kinda bad, although guys like Bryanne Battye, Cathleen Rosaert and such that came on around 2012 are decent. The problem is, Drew is one of the all-time greats at the company. His work on KOTOR, ME1 and 2 and SWTOR was pretty friggin solid and he's one writer who I never saw people complaining about over something he hadn't done to expectations. He writes big and he writes in-character for the story he writes for; that is something not all BioWare writers necessarily nail, especially not since there must be someone responsible for all the "message-fiction" writing seen in their recent games where the characters project political views or moral judgments to the player and not from character according to the setting they're in. I'll just say it...Walters is a better writer than Drew k. And it's mostly in how walters did character focused storylines that were skillfully interwoven to a main plot better than Drew K ever did.Drew is good for world building, and in guessing he built the world here. If I remember correctly, Cathleen Roosart is now in charge of the writing team on Anthem, has been on the team since Dragon Age. I know she worked on swtor and mass effect 3, I have to double check that though. Still, it's not in ametuer hands is the point. Eta, looked it up she worked on Mass Effect 2. Andromeda was her first foray as a lead writer however. So my bad on my misinformation there, but Rooseart is a veteran here by Bioware standards. Yes, I believe both Cathleen Roosart and Jay Watamiuk are the main writers on the game
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 20, 2018 22:34:37 GMT
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Post by simit on Mar 20, 2018 23:50:45 GMT
They put the lead writer of ME:A as one of the lead writers of Anthem??
Something i wish i never knew tbh
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 21, 2018 4:27:26 GMT
One of the lead writers Chris Schlerf left "after his work was done" to work on Destiny 2.
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