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Post by Toyish Batphone on Sept 15, 2016 13:29:05 GMT
Greetings,
The thing with DA2 is that playing as a mage is fantastic gameplay wise ( I would argue that DA2 mage is the best in the series in terms of spell diversity and combat animations) but playing as one require lots of justifications, explanations and head-cannoning.
Additionally in DAI, Hawke is shown to detest Blood Magic. Yet, Blood Mage is a specialization in DA2 and Merrill is a Blood Mage. Do you play a mage Hawke who has a rival relationship with Merrill and who is not a Blood Mage ?
So my question is how do mage Hawke players play him/her in a somewhat believable manner ? What do you do in game to accomplish this ? For those playing on the PC, what mods do you use to aid you ?
Do you only wear specific robes or pick specific specializations or have Varric and/or Aveline with you in the party when you go adventuring at all times (Varric for the bribery factor and Aveline for the guard protection factor) ? Did you stick with being Diplomatic personality because Sarcastic and Aggressive personalities might attract too much unnecessary attention ?
Or did you do something else ? I am interested to read your comments on this.
Have a nice day and cheers.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 13:57:01 GMT
I have all kind of mage (except self-hating pro-templar), blood, force, and spirit healer too (combinations: elemental-blood-primal, force-primal-spirit healer, force-blood-primal. Blood magic seems useful for mind manipulation, but the implementation is lame – no one realize if Hawke use it, nor from the close friends. My Hawke's specc just a little bit depends on friendship or rivalry of Merrill, Fenris (with him I prefer the rivalry path) or Anders (ofc I have only friendly relationship with him, because I don't have self-hating, pto-templar mage). Carver is mostly Templar (and rival),this maybe can help (or could put him in trouble). I don't like to use robes (I have Hawke, who used, but I prefer rogue-like mage Hawkes) My main party: Carver/Fenris, Anders, Carver/Varric. (I dont like bribe, but maybe useful) Sarcastic (mixed some agressive answers, and if need, then diplomatic – not so much), and mostly hot-headed/provocative (motto: you need my help, I don't need to be nice, but I can, if I want) .I don't use mods yet, just my imagination, and don't care about this is believable or not really believable. okay, a bit. You?
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Post by Sah291 on Sept 15, 2016 20:46:24 GMT
Yes, I use lots of mods in DA2, in particular the hide staff mod. But I like the hide weapon mod in general, because the large weapons are distracting in a lot of dialogue scenes anyway. I do use armor mods...one of which is a robe, but it's not a circle issue mage robe and is one I could imagine possibly concealing a weapon underneath. I equip Hawke with a sword in some parts, like during the Cullen quest. Interestingly, some of the spells still work with it (kinda). I don't announce to Cullen that Hawke is mage...or has mage friends..and I use armor mods on Merrill and Anders also. There are many on Nexus you can find.
Most of it happens in my head though.
I headcanon Meredith isn't stupid, but she's acting more politically, and Petrice and Elthina also. The battle with the Qunari is the point where I imagine Hawke publicly reveals being a mage, and uses magic openly to defeat the Arishok...in front of the nobility, winning them over, but prompting Meredith to crack down, since she is fighting for Templar control of the city.
I did use the blood mage spec, but I think there's plenty of justification for Hawke to be bitter about it, or even to have given it up. Especially since blood mages were attempting their own counter movement, allied with Templars...the remnants of which probably became Red Templars by the events of DAI, since we know from Cullen the Kirkwall Templars started using. Just because Hawke approved of Merrill and responsible use of blood magic, doesn't mean he/she would have to approve of what the Wardens were doing with it. Like Solas, Hawke maybe is OK with it as long as it doesn't become a crutch?
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Post by fylimar on Sept 16, 2016 16:59:49 GMT
I currently play a mage Hawke and it's fun. I have the mod for hiding the weapons too. And I never ever wear robes, they are just ugly and not at all practical. There are so many beautiful armor mods out there, that I seldom use an armor from the vanilla game anymore. During the encounter with Cullen, she does not use magic and takes only non-magical companions with her. I roleplay that she actually fight with the staff (I normally give her a very plain looking staff - the kind, Little John might have used as a weapon ). I don't think, that anyone, you met apart from Cullen would either be able to say something against mage Hawke (Alrik is dead in the end, Sister Petrice has too much to cover up and could not risk to rat Hawke out to the templars ...) or want to do something against Hawke, when she saved them (or their realtives, like the Viscount). About Bloodmagic: I never use it - I find it creepy and evil. Even if you don't use any blood apart from your own it's shady. And I'm not particulary fond of Merrill. I like her voice actress, the wonderful Eve Myles, though. BUT there are some good reasons, a bloodmage Hawke and/or Merrill best buddy or lover can still detest bloodmagic. A lot happens during the end of DA2 and the beginning of DAI - and like Sah291 mentioned, there are different kinds of blood magic. Hawke might be the more careful type and Merrill is just plain clueless about the dangers of bloodmagic. She wasn't exactly responsible with her bloodmagic (and can be the cause for a lot of death),but I guess, after her personal quest in act 3, she will change her view a bit (if I remember correctly, she even said so to Hawke). Nevertheless, neither Merrill nor Hawke are anywhere near a Magister like Danarius or his evil pupil (forgot her name) or some of the more ruthless and powerhungry bloodmages, you meet in the story (for example during 'Enemy among us').
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Post by Beregond5 on Sept 17, 2016 20:02:48 GMT
I only pay attention at what my mage Hawke is wearing, because most of the robes are horrible looking, not to mention impractical (I'm looking at you, Robe of the Spiral Eye <.< ). Other than that, I've said it elsewhere, I just headcanon that Varric likes to exaggerate a bit just he can show how awesome Hawke is. It's not like Cassandra doesn't know that Hawke is a Mage by the time she hears the story.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 29, 2016 12:18:27 GMT
I like playing as mage Hawke. Played a mage more than a warrior or rouge. All my mage playthroughs have supported Meredith. excellent. I have never used the blood magic skill. What my Hawke wears is usually the stuff from the packs I downloaded. I use Isabela, Aveline and Sebastian for my companions.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 29, 2016 12:40:02 GMT
I like playing as mage Hawke. Played a mage more than a warrior or rouge. All my mage playthroughs have supported Meredith. excellent. I have never used the blood magic skill. What my Hawke wears is usually the stuff from the packs I downloaded. I use Isabela, Aveline and Sebastian for my companions. Okay, I can imagine some self-hated mage, who dont belive his/her skill is controlable, and/or a hypocrite, who think, only s/he the one mage, who can control his ability, and s/he is the one, who deserve the freedom, but all of your mages this kind? It's an interest role play opportunity, but why a healty free apostate would choose an according mostly everyone (including Cullen and Elthina) crazy and cruel Templar? Okay, at the end, for Templar Carver, or maybe for order of Kirkwall, because s/he experienced, that so much mage used blood magic, and became abomination, but before? What is the reason? Hawke (included pro-mage Hawke) help the Templars sometimes, I think is more than enough...
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Post by themikefest on Sept 29, 2016 12:53:51 GMT
I like playing as mage Hawke. Played a mage more than a warrior or rouge. All my mage playthroughs have supported Meredith. excellent. I have never used the blood magic skill. What my Hawke wears is usually the stuff from the packs I downloaded. I use Isabela, Aveline and Sebastian for my companions. Okay, I can imagine some self-hated mage, who dont belive his/her skill is controlable, and/or a hypocrite, who think, only s/he the one mage, who can control his ability, and s/he is the one, who deserve the freedom, but all of your mages this kind? It's an interest role play opportunity, but why a healty free apostate would choose an according mostly everyone (including Cullen and Elthina) crazy and cruel Templar? Okay, at the end, for Templar Carver, or maybe for order of Kirkwall, because s/he experienced, that so much mage used blood magic, and became abomination, but before? What is the reason? Hawke (included pro-mage Hawke) help the Templars sometimes, I think is more than enough... It really bothers you that I have my mage Hawke support Meredith? But your Hawke is a mage. Yeah. So what. Mages are suppose to support mages. Really? Says who? .
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Post by Catilina on Sept 29, 2016 13:00:56 GMT
Okay, I can imagine some self-hated mage, who dont belive his/her skill is controlable, and/or a hypocrite, who think, only s/he the one mage, who can control his ability, and s/he is the one, who deserve the freedom, but all of your mages this kind? It's an interest role play opportunity, but why a healty free apostate would choose an according mostly everyone (including Cullen and Elthina) crazy and cruel Templar? Okay, at the end, for Templar Carver, or maybe for order of Kirkwall, because s/he experienced, that so much mage used blood magic, and became abomination, but before? What is the reason? Hawke (included pro-mage Hawke) help the Templars sometimes, I think is more than enough... It really bothers you that I have my mage Hawke support Meredith? But your Hawke is a mage. Yeah. So what. Mages are suppose to support mages. Really? Says who? . I also have a mage, who at the end sided with the Templars, because of Carver an d because so much crazy mages... Not really bother, just don't truly understand. But: yes, a mage always stay mage, never will change, and the Templars will never trust him/her, whatever s/he does. Needless to try toadyism. Not so much reason to trust them as an apostate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 16:04:45 GMT
Oh, I did, I rivaled Merrill with a non blood mage Hawke (though by complete accident I swear). My mage was my second character and I thought not giving Merrill the thing Marethari didn't want her to have could prevent things from escalating but instead it gave me permanent rivalry with her. After that, there was no way I was going to romance Merrill like I originally planned to do with that character.
I did have diplomatic personality with that character but it didn't have to do with hiding and not trying to attract attention but that's intresting, never thought of acting diplomatic instead of the other two for that reason but I can see it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2016 7:53:59 GMT
Okay, I can imagine some self-hated mage, who dont belive his/her skill is controlable, and/or a hypocrite, who think, only s/he the one mage, who can control his ability, and s/he is the one, who deserve the freedom, but all of your mages this kind? It's an interest role play opportunity, but why a healty free apostate would choose an according mostly everyone (including Cullen and Elthina) crazy and cruel Templar? Okay, at the end, for Templar Carver, or maybe for order of Kirkwall, because s/he experienced, that so much mage used blood magic, and became abomination, but before? What is the reason? Hawke (included pro-mage Hawke) help the Templars sometimes, I think is more than enough... It really bothers you that I have my mage Hawke support Meredith? But your Hawke is a mage. Yeah. So what. Mages are suppose to support mages. Really? Says who? . I had a mage Hawke support the Templars before... and the best part was, it was a rival Anders romance it was like eating cake... Because I hate Anders! Seriously, I do so hate Anders in this game, nothing about him I like; he's whinny, obnoxious, and annoying.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Oct 1, 2016 5:37:00 GMT
Couldn't play as a Mage Hawke. I could never kill Bethany. Ever.
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Post by olnorton on Oct 21, 2016 2:17:59 GMT
Couldn't play as a Mage Hawke. I could never kill Bethany. Ever. No, I prefer Bethany as well. I use the Sophie's Choice mod if I play as a Mage. www.nexusmods.com/dragonage2/mods/2140/? Still on the mage topic, does anyone know of a mod that stops Merrill constantly saying "Do you think they're tiring, I'm tiring" when playing her as a blood mage. Google found someone on the old Bioware site say there was one, but didn't name it or provide a link.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 21, 2016 9:06:22 GMT
Most of my Hawkes are mages.
I usually pay attention to the outfit. I'd like Hawke to be anonymous as a mage and prefer appropriate outfits. Before I read this thread, I hadn't heard of a "hide staff" or "hide weapon" mod but I guess it's time to replay DA2 with more mods.
I've also used the "Sophie's Choice" since one of my favorite personal themes in DA2 I like to play out is "the awesome Hawke mage sisters". Unfortunately, it's impossible to have that be reflected in dialogue, so the mod is not as useful as you might think.
As for blood magic, my Hawkes aren't usually blood mages but neither do they have an issue with it, so DAI-Hawke is annoyingly out of character with her blanket condemnation. It's DAI's problem though, not DA2's.
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Post by dayze on Oct 23, 2016 0:48:48 GMT
From what I remember, the game makers actually said in canon that Hawke isn't a bloodmage, ever, that it was just something they allowed as a game mechanic thing but no potential story ramifications.
Though you have to question making it an option, and one of the main aspects of the advertising in the trailer for the game.....
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 28, 2016 11:03:40 GMT
I almost always play as a mage (see: Gameplay and Story Segregation). I don't use mods to hide robes or weapons; I just assume Hawke is wearing something more neutral and isn't flaunting their staff/magic everywhere. To me it's the same process that makes me not question why no one in my party ages or changes their clothes in a decade, why Fenris's mansion is eternally full of perfectly preserved corpses, why the weather never changes, and why my entire party doesn't instantly turn on me when I make truly heinous decisions. Sometimes you just have to shrug and roll with it. My Hawkes are usually iffy about blood magic and still grumpy with the Wardens over the whole Corypheus/parents-held-hostage debacle, so no inconsistencies for me.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Nov 13, 2016 22:50:00 GMT
PS3 cave person here so no mods for me, except headcanon. I assume that the robe stylings and staffs are either products of Cassandra's imagination or the the Templars decided to overlook them from a certain point onwards since they've realised that Hawke (with help from Anders and Merrill) is the only person who's prepared to help them out. Also arresting Hawke, Anders or Merrill is likely to annoy either Aveline and Varric, who have a certain amount of influence in Kirkwall, and or the entire population of the alienage or the undercity. Meredith has decided to turn a blind eye to Hawke's magic. Mage Hawke's probably not going to be blood mage, but Rogue Hawke didn't really care either way, although frankly she felt the world could manage with less demons and the undead roaming the streets.
The major drawback is Carver, I couldn't actually kill him, but I wasn't sad to see him go off to the Wardens.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 13, 2016 23:08:10 GMT
PS3 cave person here so no mods for me, except headcanon. I assume that the robe stylings and staffs are either products of Cassandra's imagination or the the Templars decided to overlook them from a certain point onwards since they've realised that Hawke (with help from Anders and Merrill) is the only person who's prepared to help them out. Also arresting Hawke, Anders or Merrill is likely to annoy either Aveline and Varric, who have a certain amount of influence in Kirkwall, and or the entire population of the alienage or the undercity. Meredith has decided to turn a blind eye to Hawke's magic. Mage Hawke's probably not going to be blood mage, but Rogue Hawke didn't really care either way, although frankly she felt the world could manage with less demons and the undead roaming the streets. The major drawback is Carver, I couldn't actually kill him, but I wasn't sad to see him go off to the Wardens. Poor Carver, how many people dislike him! I now started a warrior, because I want to find some interesting in Bethany. But for now still Carver is winning me. Just give him a chance, you will see, how good brother he is.
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Post by Finvola on Nov 20, 2016 20:01:38 GMT
I like playing as a mage, but totally agree that it's silly to see them wearing circle robes and carrying a staff. Not exactly the way to blend in when you're an apostate. The only mods I use are bugfixes for importing saves from DAO. I've had DA2 for over a year but didn't really start playing it regularly until recently. I preferred DAO or DAI and it took me a bit to get used to 2, but I now have an appreciation for it that I didn't have before. I haven't tried blood mage yet, I've chosen Force Mage and Spirit Healer as my specialties so far. I have sided with the templars as a mage before. I figure you can hardly blame people for fearing mages considering what is happening all around Kirkwall. I try to change things up instead of sticking with the same decisions with every playthrough. In my current one, I've given myself the extra challenge of befriending Carver. I managed to get him a bit in the friend zone before he went to the Wardens. Since I didn't want to lose friendship points, I decided to bring him to the expedition as you gain 15 rivalry points for leaving him behind. I do find him incredibly whiny and hard to deal with but it's so much easier to hate him so I figured why not try to befriend him this time instead? Despite his faults his actions show he still cares about his sibling, so it'd be nice to see if they can work out their differences. I haven't played as a warrior before, just rogues and mages. I was going to play as a rogue again for my current save but decided I like playing as a mage more. Despite the ugly robes. The fact that they are robes and most of them all look the same is hard to look past.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 20, 2016 20:20:54 GMT
I like playing as a mage, but totally agree that it's silly to see them wearing circle robes and carrying a staff. Not exactly the way to blend in when you're an apostate. The only mods I use are bugfixes for importing saves from DAO. I've had DA2 for over a year but didn't really start playing it regularly until recently. I preferred DAO or DAI and it took me a bit to get used to 2, but I now have an appreciation for it that I didn't have before. I haven't tried blood mage yet, I've chosen Force Mage and Spirit Healer as my specialties so far. I have sided with the templars as a mage before . I figure you can hardly blame people for fearing mages considering what is happening all around Kirkwall. I try to change things up instead of sticking with the same decisions with every playthrough. In my current one, I've given myself the extra challenge of befriending Carver. I managed to get him a bit in the friend zone before he went to the Wardens. Since I didn't want to lose friendship points, I decided to bring him to the expedition as you gain 15 rivalry points for leaving him behind. I do find him incredibly whiny and hard to deal with but it's so much easier to hate him so I figured why not try to befriend him this time instead? Despite his faults his actions show he still cares about his sibling, so it'd be nice to see if they can work out their differences. I haven't played as a warrior before, just rogues and mages. I was going to play as a rogue again for my current save but decided I like playing as a mage more. Despite the ugly robes. The fact that they are robes and most of them all look the same is hard to look past. This is Chantry's fault. 1. Bad choice of location for the Circle: weakened Veil. 2. Templars (Meredith's) cruelty in Kirkwall. 3. Acquiescence of Elthina. You dont need to use robes in the whole game: Mage Hawke can appear as a rogue, and don't need dress mods.
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Post by Finvola on Nov 21, 2016 2:30:08 GMT
Do you mean by giving them the stats required to wear the other armor types? I don't know how else they can wear rogue armor without mods. I hate the ugly robes. That's my least favorite thing about playing as a mage, the robes and how unvaried they are. If there were styles like the Dalish or Tevinter ones it wouldn't be so bad, but those circle-type ones are hard for me to get past. That and the lack of variety. It's pretty much those same blue robes until you get the champion armor or the armor from Corypheus' prison.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 2:55:03 GMT
Do you mean by giving them the stats required to wear the other armor types? I don't know how else they can wear rogue armor without mods. I hate the ugly robes. That's my least favorite thing about playing as a mage, the robes and how unvaried they are. If there were styles like the Dalish or Tevinter ones it wouldn't be so bad, but those circle-type ones are hard for me to get past. That and the lack of variety. It's pretty much those same blue robes until you get the champion armor or the armor from Corypheus' prison. No, these are mage armors: in Act 1 – base smuggler/mercenary armor, in Act 2 – The Robe of Notorious Pirate, and Ac t3 the Champion Armor. (Maybe not that shiny, but none of them is a robe.)
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Post by Finvola on Nov 21, 2016 18:21:26 GMT
I just looked up the one for Act 2. I think I've only done that quest once in my 6 or 7 playthroughs, so I'll definitely be on the lookout for it again. I am not sure if I played as a rogue or a mage at the time I did the quest because I would have remembered robes like that. I'm in Act 2 right now so I'm going to make sure I do the quest to get this. Thanks!
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Post by Catilina on Nov 21, 2016 18:24:12 GMT
I just looked up the one for Act 2. I think I've only done that quest once in my 6 or 7 playthroughs, so I'll definitely be on the lookout for it again. I am not sure if I played as a rogue or a mage at the time I did the quest because I would have remembered robes like that. I'm in Act 2 right now so I'm going to make sure I do the quest to get this. Thanks! Act 2, Wounded Coast. Hawke need to save some guards.
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Post by fredlc on Nov 22, 2016 0:10:07 GMT
Wow. Am I the only one who plays blood mage?
I am doing my second nightmare playthrough (first SB warrior, now mage), and I specialize deep in the Blood mage tree and started the force tree. I think both sinergize well. First time trying blood mage...
... and, BTW, blood mage is amazing. I have all blood per mana upgrades, and my equipment all gives .25 mana per health. As I've been speccing for constitution instead of mana I have over 50 points of health. In practice, this means that I have free casting. My sustaineds are all free, and my health follows so slow on cast that is negligible, and upgrade grave robber cools faster than I can deplet health. For all practice purposes, I have free casting, my only limitations are cooldowns times and what abilities I chose.
Also, blood magic AoEs do not cause FF, an exception on nightmare, thus becoming an extra useful specialization, in particular against crowds.
I guess that is one of the reasons why I am kicking ass in this playthrough, and nightmare is not too nightmarishy this time (unlike previous try).
There is a story disconnect, yes... but if you can overlook it, go get blood mage Asap; it is possibly the most powerful specialization in the game...
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