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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Jun 25, 2017 3:26:13 GMT
The NYT ran an article about how TV viewers reflect our cultural differences. Urban viewers preferred Modern Family while rural people preferred Duck Dynasty and The Walking Dead. NCIS is also big among conservatives. A TV genre that is dead is space opera! You probably don't remember Babylon 5 or BSG! What would the liberals and conservatives think about a show with about a badass All American military spaceship commander with a cool looking military spaceship with all sorts of cool weapons and his badass crew. All of humanity is united under freedom, democracy, and human rights! Cool technology would revolutionize entertainment and sports. There is still religion but they are far less dogmatic, misogynistic, and anti intellectual. There are cool looking aliens! The Human Alliance military acts as the galaxy's police force. In one episode the military commander stops a group of alien terrorists from ramming an asteroid into a human colony. Would liberals think it is imperialist propaganda? Would conservatives think that since Jesus would come back to bring God's Kingdom before such a future can be achieved make them think such a future is ridiculous? Are the sci fi fans in your life liberal or conservative? How much does the sci fi genre need to be modified to be palatable to the average American?
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Post by Pearl on Jun 25, 2017 3:40:19 GMT
I fail to see how political ideology has anything to do with the death of televised space operas.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 25, 2017 3:49:36 GMT
I'll watch anything that isn't filled with leftist/Hollywood propaganda. Which is why there is very little on TV or in the movie theaters that I actually do watch.
That said I don't see how a particular genre fits into it, sure I would watch sci-fi stuff on TV if it fit my above criteria, along with just about anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 4:00:43 GMT
I'll watch anything that isn't filled with leftist/Hollywood propaganda. Which is why there is very little on TV or in the movie theaters that I actually do watch. That said I don't see how a particular genre fits into it, sure I would watch sci-fi stuff on TV if it fit my above criteria, along with just about anything else. What do you consider as leftist/Hollywood propaganda? Just curious.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 25, 2017 4:07:35 GMT
I'll watch anything that isn't filled with leftist/Hollywood propaganda. Which is why there is very little on TV or in the movie theaters that I actually do watch. That said I don't see how a particular genre fits into it, sure I would watch sci-fi stuff on TV if it fit my above criteria, along with just about anything else. What do you consider as leftist/Hollywood propaganda? Just curious. Like I said, just about anything on TV or in theaters these days. Network sitcoms, Superbowl halftime shows, the nightly news, everything has been politicized. It would be far easier to cite examples that don't fall into that category. Even some of the stuff I do want to watch you just have to kinda try and ignore it as best you can.
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Post by slimgrin on Jun 25, 2017 4:09:52 GMT
I just try to watch interesting shows, and fortunately there are many to choose from now. I don't think TV is even remotely as affected by politics as movies are. Also, what the hell is Duck Dynasty? I live in a fly over state, never heard of it.
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Post by Verro on Jun 25, 2017 4:13:51 GMT
The NYT ran an article about how TV viewers reflect our cultural differences. Urban viewers preferred Modern Family while rural people preferred Duck Dynasty and The Walking Dead. NCIS is also big among conservatives. A TV genre that is dead is space opera! You probably don't remember Babylon 5 or BSG! What would the liberals and conservatives think about a show with about a badass All American military spaceship commander with a cool looking military spaceship with all sorts of cool weapons and his badass crew. All of humanity is united under freedom, democracy, and human rights! Cool technology would revolutionize entertainment and sports. There is still religion but they are far less dogmatic, misogynistic, and anti intellectual. There are cool looking aliens! The Human Alliance military acts as the galaxy's police force. In one episode the military commander stops a group of alien terrorists from ramming an asteroid into a human colony. Would liberals think it is imperialist propaganda? Would conservatives think that since Jesus would come back to bring God's Kingdom before such a future can be achieved make them think such a future is ridiculous? Are the sci fi fans in your life liberal or conservative? How much does the sci fi genre need to be modified to be palatable to the average American?It needs to not suck.
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Post by mattig89ch on Jun 25, 2017 5:15:22 GMT
If its an all American white crew , I wouldn't be interested. If it was a muli-national crew, I would be. Even more if it was a crew of various religions, including atheists. Bonus points if they had a woman captain, but losses points if they have any plots about girl power. This is the future, gender should have very little to nothing to do with anything.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 25, 2017 5:25:00 GMT
If its an all American white crew , I wouldn't be interested. If it was a muli-national crew, I would be. Even more if it was a crew of various religions, including atheists. Bonus points if they had a woman captain, but losses points if they have any plots about girl power. This is the future, gender should have very little to nothing to do with anything. ._. Watch Gundam. 0079 specifically. It's basically a space opera retelling of world war two. Sieg to the Zeon btw
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Post by masterwarderz on Jun 25, 2017 5:25:37 GMT
The NYT ran an article about how TV viewers reflect our cultural differences. Urban viewers preferred Modern Family while rural people preferred Duck Dynasty and The Walking Dead. NCIS is also big among conservatives. A TV genre that is dead is space opera! You probably don't remember Babylon 5 or BSG! What would the liberals and conservatives think about a show with about a badass All American military spaceship commander with a cool looking military spaceship with all sorts of cool weapons and his badass crew. All of humanity is united under freedom, democracy, and human rights! Cool technology would revolutionize entertainment and sports. There is still religion but they are far less dogmatic, misogynistic, and anti intellectual. There are cool looking aliens! The Human Alliance military acts as the galaxy's police force. In one episode the military commander stops a group of alien terrorists from ramming an asteroid into a human colony. Would liberals think it is imperialist propaganda? Would conservatives think that since Jesus would come back to bring God's Kingdom before such a future can be achieved make them think such a future is ridiculous? Are the sci fi fans in your life liberal or conservative? How much does the sci fi genre need to be modified to be palatable to the average American?It needs to not suck. This is why I don't watch television
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Jun 25, 2017 5:37:04 GMT
If its an all American white crew , I wouldn't be interested. If it was a muli-national crew, I would be. Even more if it was a crew of various religions, including atheists. Bonus points if they had a woman captain, but losses points if they have any plots about girl power. This is the future, gender should have very little to nothing to do with anything. Not sure if sarcasm Honestly, if it's preachy, it's tends to be crap.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jun 25, 2017 6:16:29 GMT
I just try to watch interesting shows, and fortunately there are many to choose from now. I don't think TV is even remotely as affected by politics as movies are. Also, what the hell is Duck Dynasty? I live in a fly over state, never heard of it. I watched a season. It was about a family in the south, living next to marshes, hunting ducks and having a business related to it. 3 generations of their family, close to each other and helping each other. They had such a good time and life. I envy them.
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Post by Ieldra on Jun 25, 2017 6:25:29 GMT
cmdrshep2183 I don't watch much TV, but from my experience with books I don't mind politics in mySF stories if it's a natural part of them, and in fact, many epic stories would be significantly poorer if they lacked a political dimension. Also, I've noticed at least as much conservative propaganda in books as liberal. Propaganda, I define that as the constant and one-sided expression of political positions where that doesn't arise naturally from the story, or at least from a subplot. One example is David Webers filibustering about the free market and the evils of socialism in many of his works. Having said that, I would find certain topics tiresome in your example. For example that American sense of mission. Space exploration is a task for all of humanity, damn it! I'd also object to some other non-political stuff, for instance "cool looking" aliens if they're all just humans with some added decoration. Thinking about it, this is probably why I stopped watching sci-fi on TV, except for thinks like The Expanse which doesn't require living aliens. Meanwhile, I definitely wouldn't mind an "imperialistic" leaning, if it was an enlightened empire which works as integrating different cultures under a core value system, no matter if it was created through war. At its core should be a new political entity, however. In any case, politics or not, I can forgive much if the story is good and the characters interesting. I don't have to appreciate 100% of a work to find it worth reading or watching after all. And I don't mind any level of politicization from any part of the spectrum if it's written in a way that makes you think rather than just gobble up the party line. The setting should have its challenges, though. Perfect is boring.
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Post by mattig89ch on Jun 25, 2017 6:51:07 GMT
If its an all American white crew , I wouldn't be interested. If it was a muli-national crew, I would be. Even more if it was a crew of various religions, including atheists. Bonus points if they had a woman captain, but losses points if they have any plots about girl power. This is the future, gender should have very little to nothing to do with anything. Not sure if sarcasm Honestly, if it's preachy, it's tends to be crap. Nope, no sarcasm. Dark Matter is an excellent example of what I'm talking about.
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Post by warrior on Jun 25, 2017 9:02:23 GMT
Nothing is apolitical. Especially not sci-fi. I don't think sci-fi is inherently liberal or conservative or inherently anywhere on that spectrum. It's malleable and can be shaped to fit different worldviews. Certain subsets are coded (eg I would say cyberpunk is leftist, in theory) but as a genre it is pretty wide open. I think both American conservatives and liberals support war and enjoy war on screen, so long as it is fantasized. The main difference is that American liberals (like our DNC) are anti-war in the streets and pro-war in the sheets. Look at Wonder Woman for an example of patriotic "warlike" media that wins over liberals (because it has a female hero, because the war is stylized as in a comic book)--"warlike" is fine with liberal audiences. Americans like war narratives, period. So no problems with that aspect of it. I think a project like (the remake of) BSG would actually still work okay because it is complex enough in its presentation to attract people of different political affiliations. Or a dystopian one. I expect the reboot of Bladerunner to do fairly well with multiple types of audiences, for example. Not sure how the single hero would do. Probably not well unless that heroism was undercut or compromised in some way (like with Rick Grimes or Jessica Jones). Not for partisan reasons but because pure idealism is dead. (Though I realize the success of Wonder Woman challenges that...)
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 9:18:46 GMT
The NYT ran an article about how TV viewers reflect our cultural differences. Urban viewers preferred Modern Family while rural people preferred Duck Dynasty and The Walking Dead. NCIS is also big among conservatives. A TV genre that is dead is space opera! You probably don't remember Babylon 5 or BSG! What would the liberals and conservatives think about a show with about a badass All American military spaceship commander with a cool looking military spaceship with all sorts of cool weapons and his badass crew. All of humanity is united under freedom, democracy, and human rights! Cool technology would revolutionize entertainment and sports. There is still religion but they are far less dogmatic, misogynistic, and anti intellectual. There are cool looking aliens! The Human Alliance military acts as the galaxy's police force. In one episode the military commander stops a group of alien terrorists from ramming an asteroid into a human colony. Would liberals think it is imperialist propaganda? Would conservatives think that since Jesus would come back to bring God's Kingdom before such a future can be achieved make them think such a future is ridiculous? Are the sci fi fans in your life liberal or conservative? How much does the sci fi genre need to be modified to be palatable to the average American? it need people who know how to write a script and aren't afraid of a few twatter responses if they do something a bit edgy.... seriously if its some sjw paradise its going to be awful, if its got a bit of reality about it then its likely to be fine, (bsg the remake, aside from 2 episodes) I don't know much about Hinduism Buddhism Sikhism but islam and Christianity are very earth centric, indeed only Christianity permits that space exists and can be explored, the islam anyone that leaves the planet is a heretic doomed to eternal torment .... and I want to see that mentioned in any space opera that wants to be realistic.... because islam would die out within 100 years of serious space expansion starting or it would become Christianity with a few strange rules....
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Post by Serza on Jun 25, 2017 9:53:20 GMT
...America...?
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Post by cheeseandonion on Jun 25, 2017 11:46:10 GMT
The NYT ran an article about how TV viewers reflect our cultural differences. Urban viewers preferred Modern Family while rural people preferred Duck Dynasty and The Walking Dead. NCIS is also big among conservatives. A TV genre that is dead is space opera! You probably don't remember Babylon 5 or BSG! What would the liberals and conservatives think about a show with about a badass All American military spaceship commander with a cool looking military spaceship with all sorts of cool weapons and his badass crew. All of humanity is united under freedom, democracy, and human rights! Cool technology would revolutionize entertainment and sports. There is still religion but they are far less dogmatic, misogynistic, and anti intellectual. There are cool looking aliens! The Human Alliance military acts as the galaxy's police force. In one episode the military commander stops a group of alien terrorists from ramming an asteroid into a human colony. Would liberals think it is imperialist propaganda? Would conservatives think that since Jesus would come back to bring God's Kingdom before such a future can be achieved make them think such a future is ridiculous? Are the sci fi fans in your life liberal or conservative? How much does the sci fi genre need to be modified to be palatable to the average American? Does Doctor Who count as a space opera? It's still going and is very popular in the states from what I've heard and that's not exactly known for its big guns and America Fuck yeahisms.
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Post by mousestalker on Jun 25, 2017 12:04:43 GMT
I think most shows on tv labeled sci fi are properly described as space fantasy.
The genre has hit a bit of a rough patch lately, but that's normal. TV audiences are notoriously fickle and programming follows the herd. The wheel will turn and science fiction will return.
All that being said, i think a lot of us are increasingly intolerant of preachiness and exposition. Star Trek did fall into that trap in every single series from time to time.
"Over here are our algae vats, where we grow our cruelty free food, and over there are the fungi beds where we grow the rest of our cruelty free foods and our completely safe and effective pharmaceuticals and lastly here is the AlGore farm where we grow battery bushes and capacitor corn for our energy needs."
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 12:16:20 GMT
well theres that and the fact that the audiences might like a show but the critics think its sending the wrong message so they can it.... falling skys was a great show to watch but so much of it just didn't pass the smell test... so it managed to reach its final conclusion on the other hand the one about going back in time and then cutting yourselves off from the corporate overlords sent totally the wrong message and did pass the smell test so it was canned without even completing the first series....
continuum could have continued for a lot longer but too many people were realising globalism was wrong so that had to go..
killjoys and dark matter are preachy enough the critics love them but the audiences not so much ..... and of course there's the age old problem of making things look futuristic enough without resorting to cartoon level graphics....
sci-fi enjoys a revival every time technology takes a leap forwards and slumps when you reach the epoch of current tech to do things in a new way, but generally the really great efforts get funding yanked because there off script and those creators disappear black listed lest they galvanise the masses into action..... a constant problem caused by unrestrained liberalism
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Post by Ravenous Bear on Jun 25, 2017 12:19:33 GMT
I think people complain, and in many cases whine like babies, too much over tv shows having bias. I have/had watch a variety of shows and movies that have their political bias and I do not mind it much.
I think some just want to be offended over something trivial like a tv show or movie.
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Post by o Ventus on Jun 25, 2017 12:36:34 GMT
I fail to see how political ideology has anything to do with the death of televised space operas. This. Seriously, what kind of Olympic-level mental gymnastics had to be done to even draw this conclusion?
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Post by nanotm on Jun 25, 2017 16:00:41 GMT
I fail to see how political ideology has anything to do with the death of televised space operas. This. Seriously, what kind of Olympic-level mental gymnastics had to be done to even draw this conclusion? because certain groups want to control the population they don't want the populace being energised towards space or focusing to much on space expansion, when they allowed the hearts and minds of the masses to be captured people saw they couldn't get to space as adults and started doing things (like spacex) too much of that going on and the globalist elite will totally loose any power or control they might otherwise have held so they put the squeeze on to prevent good tv from capturing the imagination too much, they want people to be fearful of expansion of what might be out there and disenfranchised with the notion of building things to make space travel faster/easier /cheaper because it will lead to bad things.... this isn't new, its how the catholic church controlled the masses for over a thousand years, they stifled innovation murdered dissenters and reigned supreme across half the planet, and the new breed of would be controllers wishes to achieve the same effect by other means, indeed one gave a speech about the best way to achieve it being to give the people what they want, "mindless entertainment" and a few years later we get a succession of scripted reality shows on every channel, we get glorious past fantasy shows and we got rid of most of the sitcoms.... and to go with these new shows of course we have a never ending stream of "gossip" and social media interaction surrounding cast and crew, we have swarms of production teams ensuring only the right type of speech is used and dissenters are crushed at every turn, we even have mainstream media pundits telling us live on air that we aren't allowed to think for ourselves, that when we need to think something its their job to tell us what to think .... and the masses are lapping it up largely because they keep slurping down the koolaid (which in reality is the constant stream of additives in food and drink to make you more pliant) and less able to think clearly..... the problem is their message system isn't secure and can be hijacked (so isis becomes a thing, and trump figured it out as well).... that you think it requires mental gymnastics to achieve this level of critical out of the box overview is amusing and hints that your not doing that all American clean living but are using processed goods too much in your diet.... about the only "safe" thing to drink when out and about is water you purify yourself or booze because they still haven't figured out how to add the drugs to it without it being a lethal poison before you finish the first glass....
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