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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 5, 2017 16:54:34 GMT
Just went through the Elven Alienage beginning for the first time ever and personally think it's the best written and most affective, right behind the Dwarven Noble one.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 5, 2017 16:59:53 GMT
Human noble is too much canon for me to not pick. Though Dwarf noble is the best one ımo
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 5, 2017 17:01:37 GMT
I usually do human noble as well (and I have one with Daelynne - Warrior running now), but, this time I tried an City Elf - Rogue (great beginning!) and am running my main as a human mage (haven't done it yet in DAO or DAII and am trying to run basically the same character through all 3 games).
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 6, 2017 0:30:04 GMT
Looking purely at the origin stories themselves, City Elves, particularly female City Elves, just completely outshine the competition. There's just something amazing about rescuing yourself and taking no prisoners, and it's so "easy" to have fun with, since the villain is such an utter scumbag.
Second place would probably be a close tie between Dwarf Commoner (ironic, perhaps, since I haven't ever actually finished the game with a Dwarf Commoner) and Human Noble.
After that is Dalish, mostly because while it's pretty plain as an origin itself, I still feel like it's the best start to the game as a whole.
Bringing up the rear are Dwarf Noble (which I just have trouble really getting into) and Mage (just kinda...boring).
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Post by mike3207 on Jul 6, 2017 4:41:18 GMT
Human Noble touches all the heartstrings, but Female City Elf runs a very close second.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 6, 2017 5:33:31 GMT
You did forget the mage origin - since it has a lot of fans (and since there are a lot of mage players), that should probably be changed, if still possible, I guess.
I voted Dalish. For me, it's a tie-in between Dalish, city elf and casteless dwarf, but since the otehr two already had votes, the Dalish got mine.
My favorite class are rogues, I play at the moment an rogue archer casteless dwarf and a dual wielding city elf. I use a mod, that let me play asa mage in teh Dalish origin, since it doesn't make sense, that this is not included, so I normally play a Dalish mage - all my characters are female.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 7:34:03 GMT
Circle Mage – Amazing and depressing environment – closed gates, constant watching, no privacy: bedchambers without doors. Golden cage for predatory birds. To become Grey Warden from here is a blessing, even with the taint. (When first time we went to Denerim, I hoped, that we will go for his phylactery to destroy... even if I knew, that he's free already.) The first was Surana, now an Amell – Amell better because of his connection to Hawke family.
The second probably the Cousland background and storyline. The first Cousland was female, for Alistair, the second was male, for Anora.
But I enjoyed all background. Mostly I play as Male, but sometimes as female too.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 6, 2017 19:48:58 GMT
You did forget the mage origin - since it has a lot of fans (and since there are a lot of mage players), that should probably be changed, if still possible, I guess. While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well). And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 20:01:29 GMT
You did forget the mage origin - since it has a lot of fans (and since there are a lot of mage players), that should probably be changed, if still possible, I guess. While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well).
And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically.No emotional? The others at least enjoy their freedom, even as casteless dwarf, who can leave Orzammar, have privacy... A Circle mage is a prisoner, for nothing. The taint for him a salvation.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 6, 2017 20:24:21 GMT
While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well).
And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically.No emotional? The others at least enjoy their freedom, even as casteless dwarf, who can leave Orzammar, have privacy... A Circle mage is a prisoner, for nothing. The taint for him a salvation. Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 20:27:49 GMT
No emotional? The others at least enjoy their freedom, even as casteless dwarf, who can leave Orzammar, have privacy... A Circle mage is a prisoner, for nothing. The taint for him a salvation. Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. Idillic! Haha, yes! No doors on the bed chambers. Or (in Kirkwall), there are (closed) doors on the cells... Golden Cage.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 6, 2017 20:32:25 GMT
You did forget the mage origin - since it has a lot of fans (and since there are a lot of mage players), that should probably be changed, if still possible, I guess. While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well). And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically. From comments here and in the old board, I always was of the impression, that many people like the mage origin and that I am the odd job, because it is my leas tfavorite together with human noble, but I could be wrong of course.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 6, 2017 20:34:43 GMT
While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well). And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically. From comments here and in the old board, I always was of the impression, that many people like the mage origin and that I am the odd job, because it is my leas tfavorite together with human noble, but I could be wrong of course. While I almost always play a mage, I have to agree with you. The only other one that gets on my nerves is the Dalish one. That one just annoys me to no end.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 20:39:43 GMT
While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well). And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically. From comments here and in the old board, I always was of the impression, that many people like the mage origin and that I am the odd job, because it is my leas tfavorite together with human noble, but I could be wrong of course. Why would you odd? Because you like better the others? I also think the mage origin not a popular. A mage can't be queen/prince consort, for example, and perhaps Loghain/Howe less important enemy to a Mage, than a Cousland or an elf.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 6, 2017 20:41:05 GMT
No emotional? The others at least enjoy their freedom, even as casteless dwarf, who can leave Orzammar, have privacy... A Circle mage is a prisoner, for nothing. The taint for him a salvation. Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. This is sort of a silly answer, but there's some truth to it, IMO. All of the emotional investment for the Mage is very front loaded. The Human Noble and Dwarf Noble have been made pariahs by Howe and Bhelen, specifically. The Dalish Elf has a personal investment in stopping the Blight, and will if die s/he doesn't become a Warden. The Mage Origin, once you're Harrowed, you're...pretty good, really. The "prison" aspect is honestly kinda overplayed because of Kirkwall, I think. Nobody's denying that place is kind of a hellhole, but Kinloch Mages are reasonably independent. Wynne moves more or less freely, and her friend Ines in Awakening, same thing. You can meet (and potentially kill) a Circle Mage during one of the Collective missions. The only reason the Mage is in danger is because s/he went along with Jowan's harebrained scheme. If not for that, the greatest danger s/he would be in would be from Uldred, not Tranquility, and not the Templars.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 6, 2017 20:44:04 GMT
From comments here and in the old board, I always was of the impression, that many people like the mage origin and that I am the odd job, because it is my leas tfavorite together with human noble, but I could be wrong of course. I could be too, but I thought it was more "the class is popular" not "the origin is popular". Like, if you were to ask, most people would say their main Warden(s) did the Mage origin because the entire third of players that wanted to be Mages had to pick it, while Rogues and Warriors are divided among five others. I don't recall much specific data from similar polls on the old BSN though, so maybe I'm projecting just anecdotal bits and memories.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 20:50:59 GMT
Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. This is sort of a silly answer, but there's some truth to it, IMO. All of the emotional investment for the Mage is very front loaded. The Human Noble and Dwarf Noble have been made pariahs by Howe and Bhelen, specifically. The Dalish Elf has a personal investment in stopping the Blight, and will if die s/he doesn't become a Warden. The Mage Origin, once you're Harrowed, you're...pretty good, really. The "prison" aspect is honestly kinda overplayed because of Kirkwall, I think. Nobody's denying that place is kind of a hellhole, but Kinloch Mages are reasonably independent. Wynne moves more or less freely, and her friend Ines in Awakening, same thing. You can meet (and potentially kill) a Circle Mage during one of the Collective missions. The only reason the Mage is in danger is because s/he went along with Jowan's harebrained scheme. If not for that, the greatest danger s/he would be in would be from Uldred, not Tranquility, and not the Templars. Don't forget, that Wynne is an old mage, and trustworthy. But this trust MUST be earned. What about if anyone just doesn't want to be obedient because want to be free? The "freedom" in the Circle have cost. Wynne lost her child. But perhaps she never wanted a child... so, perhaps, she was grateful because of they took away from her. Jowan just wanted to be free. Who knows how many years must bear obediently as a prisoner until they are let go with permission? They might never let him go.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 21:00:07 GMT
No emotional? The others at least enjoy their freedom, even as casteless dwarf, who can leave Orzammar, have privacy... A Circle mage is a prisoner, for nothing. The taint for him a salvation. Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. You just violated the first rule of BSN. DO NOT defend circles against Catilina. Because once started, it goes on forever
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Post by fylimar on Jul 6, 2017 21:00:49 GMT
From comments here and in the old board, I always was of the impression, that many people like the mage origin and that I am the odd job, because it is my leas tfavorite together with human noble, but I could be wrong of course. Why would you odd? Because you like better the others? I also think the mage origin not a popular. A mage can't be queen/prince consort, for example, and perhaps Loghain/Howe less important enemy to a Mage, than a Cousland or an elf. odd job is just an expression for someone being different. I was never that invested in the mage origin, when I want to play an elven mage, I make good use of the Dalish mage origin (which should have been in the vanilla game imo) That is probably something for the confession thread and also, that I never wanted to be queen or kings consort, probably one reason, Cousland isn't that interesting for me
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 21:02:12 GMT
Why would you odd? Because you like better the others? I also think the mage origin not a popular. A mage can't be queen/prince consort, for example, and perhaps Loghain/Howe less important enemy to a Mage, than a Cousland or an elf. odd job is just an expression for someone being different. I was never that invested in the mage origin, when I want to play an elven mage, I make good use of the Dalish mage origin (which should have been in the vanilla game imo) That is probably something for the confession thread and also, that I never wanted to be queen or kings consort, probably one reason, Cousland isn't that interesting for me Yes, I got it. I wondered, that I couldn't be a dalish mage too.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. You just violated the first rule of BSN. DO NOT defend circles against Catilina . Because once started, it goes on forever How can you defend an unjust, inhumane and even dangerous system? I just don't understand. This is not logical... And why would someone want to do such a thing?
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 6, 2017 21:08:51 GMT
You just violated the first rule of BSN. DO NOT defend circles against Catilina . Because once started, it goes on forever How can you defend an unjust, inhumane and even dangerous system? I just don't understand. This is not logical... And why would someone want to do such a thing?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 21:13:51 GMT
How can you defend an unjust, inhumane and even dangerous system? I just don't understand. This is not logical... And why would someone want to do such a thing? Good!
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 21:14:58 GMT
You just violated the first rule of BSN. DO NOT defend circles against Catilina . Because once started, it goes on forever How can you defend an unjust, inhumane and even dangerous system? I just don't understand. This is not logical... And why would someone want to do such a thing? No ,nope we have talked about that 1000 times now. I'm not going down that road media.giphy.com/media/8McNH1aXZnVyE/giphy.gif
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Post by mousestalker on Jul 6, 2017 21:21:47 GMT
Why would you odd? Because you like better the others? I also think the mage origin not a popular. A mage can't be queen/prince consort, for example, and perhaps Loghain/Howe less important enemy to a Mage, than a Cousland or an elf. odd job is just an expression for someone being different. I was never that invested in the mage origin, when I want to play an elven mage, I make good use of the Dalish mage origin (which should have been in the vanilla game imo) That is probably something for the confession thread and also, that I never wanted to be queen or kings consort, probably one reason, Cousland isn't that interesting for meThat makes two of us! The only knock I have against the Dalish origin (other than not being allowed to be a mage in vanilla) is that Merrill doesn't have a Welsh accent The noble origin is the one I have replayed the least. There are some cute bits and Howe really is spitting evil when you meet him again, but the whole thing has been done a lot. On the other hand, I really don't like Jowan. He is extremely whiny and weak. So that is a turn off for the mage origin. Dwarf noble has Gorim. Ancestors! Alas and alack that he dumps you for a merchant girl. Dalish origin has Tamlen. Which is all the heartbreak and sorrow any gamer could want. And the city elf and dwarf commoner origins have crowning moments of awesome and revenge. The dwarf's moment is less vengeful and more crownier and it also has Leske.
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