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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 6, 2017 21:25:50 GMT
This is sort of a silly answer, but there's some truth to it, IMO. All of the emotional investment for the Mage is very front loaded. The Human Noble and Dwarf Noble have been made pariahs by Howe and Bhelen, specifically. The Dalish Elf has a personal investment in stopping the Blight, and will if die s/he doesn't become a Warden. The Mage Origin, once you're Harrowed, you're...pretty good, really. The "prison" aspect is honestly kinda overplayed because of Kirkwall, I think. Nobody's denying that place is kind of a hellhole, but Kinloch Mages are reasonably independent. Wynne moves more or less freely, and her friend Ines in Awakening, same thing. You can meet (and potentially kill) a Circle Mage during one of the Collective missions. The only reason the Mage is in danger is because s/he went along with Jowan's harebrained scheme. If not for that, the greatest danger s/he would be in would be from Uldred, not Tranquility, and not the Templars. Don't forget, that Wynne is an old mage, and trustworthy. But this trust MUST be earned. What about if anyone just doesn't want to be obedient because want to be free? The "freedom" in the Circle have cost. Wynne lost her child. But perhaps she never wanted a child... so, perhaps, she was grateful because of they took away from her. Jowan just wanted to be free. Who knows how many years must bear obediently as a prisoner until they are let go with permission? They might never let him go. I disagree with "Jowan just wanted to be free". You make it sound as if he was being held captive. he wanted to be free because he knew that he was a Blood Mage and that he would eventually be caught and have to pay the consequences. As I listened to the conversations in the tower, Jowan himself and to Irving, I firmly believe that they knew what Jowan was doing and were only waiting for him to hang himself. Otherwise, why would they have already scheduled making him Tranquil? "Jowan just wanted to escape" would have been more accurate. He could not have been enough of a fool to think that his romance with Lily would work out long-term. At least I hope he wasn't that stupid.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 6, 2017 21:28:39 GMT
Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. Idillic! Haha, yes! No doors on the bed chambers. Or (in Kirkwall), there are (closed) doors on the cells... Golden Cage. Have you ever gone to a private school? Particularly an old-school religious one? I have and the Circle, to me, is actually quite accurate. The bed chambers are communal and there is a door on the exit to the hallway. Especially when you get to Broken Circle, you really see the extent of it. It is very similar to a private school or a religious order's geography.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 6, 2017 21:29:52 GMT
Oh come now. Free room and board for life, plenty of research materials, mentors and round the clock security. Who could ask for more? If it weren't for your security being your jailers with their ability to murder you with impunity supported by the powers that be and a final exam that involves you very soul or death, it would be idyllic. You just violated the first rule of BSN. DO NOT defend circles against Catilina . Because once started, it goes on forever Cool! An adversary! I love it!
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 21:43:27 GMT
Don't forget, that Wynne is an old mage, and trustworthy. But this trust MUST be earned. What about if anyone just doesn't want to be obedient because want to be free? The "freedom" in the Circle have cost. Wynne lost her child. But perhaps she never wanted a child... so, perhaps, she was grateful because of they took away from her. Jowan just wanted to be free. Who knows how many years must bear obediently as a prisoner until they are let go with permission? They might never let him go. I disagree with "Jowan just wanted to be free". You make it sound as if he was being held captive. he wanted to be free because he knew that he was a Blood Mage and that he would eventually be caught and have to pay the consequences. As I listened to the conversations in the tower, Jowan himself and to Irving, I firmly believe that they knew what Jowan was doing and were only waiting for him to hang himself. Otherwise, why would they have already scheduled making him Tranquil? "Jowan just wanted to escape" would have been more accurate. He could not have been enough of a fool to think that his romance with Lily would work out long-term. At least I hope he wasn't that stupid. He didn't want to practice the blood magic anymore, nor even his magic, is he would able to leave with Lily. I don't think, that he would lie about this. And what's wrong if anyone wants to survive? Jowan wasn't a criminal. Of course, he was according to the Chantry, but we know, that the Chantry is the criminal, just the Chantry have an army, so can write the law, and can kidnap children and murdering people by the name of law and the by name of the Maker. What Jowan did wasn't crime. He has one crime: his voice is terrible. But you're right. If they would have escaped, and later Lily would find out, that Jowan's a blood mage, Lily would leave him. I'm sure.
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Post by daelonduluc on Jul 6, 2017 21:53:06 GMT
I disagree with "Jowan just wanted to be free". You make it sound as if he was being held captive. he wanted to be free because he knew that he was a Blood Mage and that he would eventually be caught and have to pay the consequences. As I listened to the conversations in the tower, Jowan himself and to Irving, I firmly believe that they knew what Jowan was doing and were only waiting for him to hang himself. Otherwise, why would they have already scheduled making him Tranquil? "Jowan just wanted to escape" would have been more accurate. He could not have been enough of a fool to think that his romance with Lily would work out long-term. At least I hope he wasn't that stupid. He didn't want to practice the blood magic anymore, nor even his magic, is he would able to leave with Lily. I don't think, that he would lie about this. And what's wrong if anyone wants to survive? Jowan wasn't a criminal. Of course, he was according to the Chantry, but we know, that the Chantry is the criminal, just the Chantry have an army, so can write the law, and can kidnap children and murdering people by the name of law and the by name of the Maker. What Jowan did wasn't crime. But you're right. If they would have escaped, and later Lily would find out, that Jowan's a blood mage, Lily would leave him. I'm sure. I don't disagree with you, but, unfortunately, it truly is rather true-to-life when it comes to an Almighty Religion (Andrastainism). IMO I see it as similar to Catholicism a few centuries ago where they basically controlled everything from the government to education to the day to day lives of the majority of the population. Jowan is a criminal in the eyes of the Chantry and, as they are the law, it really doesn't matter whether he is guilty or not. I understand his want to survive, but, why would he believe that he "needs" to survive if he doesn't know that what he is doing is not acceptable in the eyes of the powers that be. He is given two options: be made tranquil or escape, in which case he will become an apostate and hunted by the Templars (regardless of whether they can track his phylactery or not). I don't blame him at all, but he knows the consequences of his actions. He may be a bit naive, but I don't think he's stupid. Personally, I don't hold it against Jowan and usually side with he and Lilly (hey, I'm a romantic), and I try to play my characters wanting to escape their bonds as well. I can't see his relationship with Lilly lasting, of course, but I don't really take issue with the whole Blood Magic thing (other than the mind control and making abominations thing, but that's Uldred, for goodness sake), as a matter of fact, I believe that my Siobhan (creating this evening) may give it a wack herself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 21:56:21 GMT
I love the female city elf origin, but I prefer the overall story arc of the human noble, it feels like their story with Howe gets the best arc when it comes to the game overall So id have to go with human noble!
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Post by Catilina on Jul 6, 2017 21:57:46 GMT
And one more reason to play as Amell, his/her connection to Anders (Awakening) and Hawke. True, this is only metaknowledge. Perhaps not a big thing, because only mentioned in one-two word, but still good reason in my eyes. and sadly, this is just
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Post by mike3207 on Jul 7, 2017 3:39:45 GMT
IMO, Dalish is the weakest Origin. I can't believe it got three votes and Dwarf Noble none.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 9:52:41 GMT
The human origin and dwarven noble give a great foundation for your character. I was surprised how rich the dwarven noble's beginning is given that it probably isn't that popular, it's just a shame not much is made of your character when they go back to Orzammar. City Elf if very provocative and dramatic, giving a wonderful sense of your race and the hardships of it in a way none of the others do. You'd think Dalish would but to me it is, along with the mage origin, way too short and weak. Which is a shame given that it's BioWare's canon. I admit I haven't been a dwarf commoner yet so I can't comment on that. You did forget the mage origin - since it has a lot of fans (and since there are a lot of mage players), that should probably be changed, if still possible, I guess. While the poll should probably include it, I'm not sure that a large number of people playing Mages indicates significant favoritism for the Mage origin, though, since it's the only way to play a Mage normally. Heck, you even mentioned, you'll mod in a Dalish mage (I would too, except it doesn't carry over to the rest of the series well). And not that the Mage origin was bad per se...it gives a lot of insight, but at least IMO, it doesn't have the emotional weight of a lot of the others. Although that all said, it might be interesting to also see a poll comparing who prefers playing Mages versus who prefers the Mage origin story specifically. I agree the mage origin is weak, I haven't tried modding a dalish mage. Have you tried it? I'd be hesitant given it's impact on the Keep.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 9:53:34 GMT
Ok just voted....dwarf noble had no votes? SERIOUSLY BSN.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 7, 2017 10:04:32 GMT
I agree the mage origin is weak, I haven't tried modding a dalish mage. Have you tried it? I'd be hesitant given it's impact on the Keep. I have played the Dalish mage origin mod, with the dialogue fix. It works fine, there is one line from Greagoir, that pops out even with the fix, about the Dalish actually being a circle mage, but I found no otehr issues with it. And it fits well to that origin.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 7, 2017 11:40:48 GMT
In a very objective point of view I would rank them as Dwarf Noble City Elf Human Noble Dwarf Commoner Dalish Elf Magi But Human Noble will always be my canon. It fits perfectly to the plot
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Post by Iddy on Jul 7, 2017 16:06:08 GMT
For me, it is a tie between these two:
1. Dwarf commoner. Sure, you get to defy the upper class as a city elf too, but that was just one noble. Brosca publicly humiliates the entire warrior caste and upsets all nobles that were watching or heard about it.
2. Dwarf noble. Sure, you get a revenge story with the human noble too, but the knife cuts much deeper when the betrayal comes from your own brother.
Funnily enough, I made Mahariel my canon Warden instead. Why? Because I wanted to romance Morrigan and it just seems fitting that Flemeth's son-in-law would be a Dalish elf. Then you add Morrigan's interest in elven lore later on and you get one big elfy family.
And of course, revisiting the ruins in Witch Hunt feels incredible.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 7, 2017 16:16:23 GMT
Every origins have sense, I like all. There are only personal preferences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 19:51:47 GMT
I played all the intro stories. I like Noble Dwarf the best.
I also like the artwork for the dwarves the best & it's my favorite set up out of three races.
But the only way to play a mage is to do the Mage Origin. And the game has only two Mages. AND the mages take two roles, the r-DPS and a Healer. And I kick Morrigan out as soon as I can, b/c I can't kill her.
So, my Ideal Origin will be a Dwarven Noble that can Dual-class into a Mage after playing through the Mage's Tower portion of the game.
I ended up playing a Mage-Elf (female) as a heals/Arcaine Warrior and went fairly far on the Rogue that was developed as a Ranger with a summon on a Dwarven Noble (female)
Both are Females, because I really, really, really like Alistair.
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Post by capn233 on Jul 8, 2017 0:26:04 GMT
IMO, Dalish is the weakest Origin. I can't believe it got three votes and Dwarf Noble none. Maybe it is because it doesn't have a satisfying resolution when you return to Orz. That colors my judgement on it a bit. I threw it a vote though since it is pretty good just sticking strictly to the origin itself. Nevermind that it also gives you by far the most gold in game. It is hard for me to rank them though in all honesty. Human Noble is ok I guess, and feels the most like a "canon" origin. I like City Elf much more than Dalish. Also like Dwarf Noble much more than Dwarf Commoner. Mage is alright, if only because it seems like it has the most variation with how you can go through it (I mean ignoring that the big picture is pretty much the same either way).
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Post by Beregond5 on Jul 8, 2017 11:11:07 GMT
The origin I've played the most times was the Dalish one, though I now do it more out of meta-knowledge; Eluvians play a part in the next two Dragon Age games, so it makes sense to me that they'd make their first appearance in Origins. Not to mention that they also serve as book-ends for the 'trilogy', if you will.
Other than that, Noble Human is my second best, mostly because I do like the arc with Howe.
City Elf is my third favourite, even if the beginning was rather slow right up to the kidnapping.
The others are okay-ish, but I've only completed a run with a Mage. (which turned out depressing for reasons I won't go into detail here. XD)
The best class for me is definitely rogue, it saves me a lot of trouble when it comes to unlocking. As for gender... I've played female characters for the most part, and there's a simple reason for it... *cough* Alistair *cough*
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jul 8, 2017 18:19:22 GMT
All about the dwarf commoner.
Going through the game with that big brand on your face and the big chip on your shoulder and saving everyone anyway is the best.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Jul 16, 2017 21:31:26 GMT
I love Dwarf Commoner. There's something that gets to me about that background.
Mage is good, I like the fact you get to do the Harrowing and I'm struck by what an awful place the Circle Tower really is, even before the demons. My main problem with it is talking to that damn mouse - you get dumped out of conversation after every dialogue option so trying to hear everything he has to say is a pain in the arse!
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Post by tacsear on Jul 17, 2017 21:58:28 GMT
I love Dwarf Commoner. There's something that gets to me about that background. Mage is good, I like the fact you get to do the Harrowing and I'm struck by what an awful place the Circle Tower really is, even before the demons. My main problem with it is talking to that damn mouse - you get dumped out of conversation after every dialogue option so trying to hear everything he has to say is a pain in the arse! Mouse had an annoying voice but just before he leaves he turns into a pride demon and gives you an advice. It is a pure badass moment
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Post by Alyx on Jul 18, 2017 15:29:09 GMT
I love Dwarf Commoner. There's something that gets to me about that background. Mage is good, I like the fact you get to do the Harrowing and I'm struck by what an awful place the Circle Tower really is, even before the demons. My main problem with it is talking to that damn mouse - you get dumped out of conversation after every dialogue option so trying to hear everything he has to say is a pain in the arse! Mouse had an annoying voice but just before he leaves he turns into a pride demon and gives you an advice. It is a pure badass moment That might be one of my favourite moments in the game. Absolutely f'in EPIC!! My personal preferences: 1. Mage / Cousland: Mage because of the whole FEEL of the tower (those enchanters teaching the apprentices are hilarious ), Cousland because of the whole loving and down-to-earth, non-cheesy family that I actually bonded with (also first time a video game ever made me cry...) 2. Dwarf Noble: Bhelen you slimy piece of rat's a**, I have never wanted to get back at someone so badly....... 3. City elf / Dwarf Commoner: .........except maybe Vaughan. Ya, definitely Vaughan. And that worked, so yay! . . . 4. Dalish elf: Okay in its own right, but just can't compare to the rest
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