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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 21, 2019 11:52:01 GMT
It amuses me that some/so many players believe Anora betrayed them. When the Warden goes to rescue Anora, she's dressed as a guard and asks the Warden not to give away her identity. So what do some Wardens do immediately after running smack into Loghain's people? "Look, Ser Cauthrien, it's the Queen!" Now of course Anora has to cover her ass because some Wardens point her out to the enemy.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 21, 2019 15:54:36 GMT
It amuses me that some/so many players believe Anora betrayed them. When the Warden goes to rescue Anora, she's dressed as a guard and asks the Warden not to give away her identity. So what do some Wardens do immediately after running smack into Loghain's people? "Look, Ser Cauthrien, it's the Queen!" Now of course Anora has to cover her ass because some Wardens point her out to the enemy. That much is true, but not enough to absolve Anora. Whether she will defend or denounce Loghain during the Landsmeet depends on which move will get her the crown. And let's not forget what she does to the elves in the epilogue.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 21, 2019 16:05:23 GMT
It amuses me that some/so many players believe Anora betrayed them. When the Warden goes to rescue Anora, she's dressed as a guard and asks the Warden not to give away her identity. So what do some Wardens do immediately after running smack into Loghain's people? "Look, Ser Cauthrien, it's the Queen!" Now of course Anora has to cover her ass because some Wardens point her out to the enemy. That much is true, but not enough to absolve Anora. Whether she will defend or denounce Loghain during the Landsmeet depends on which move will get her the crown. And let's not forget what she does to the elves in the epilogue. 1) To me it is. 2) Unless the Warden tells her Loghain has to die, then she will defend her father despite the Warden promising her the crown. 3) Anora marries Alistair in my games, so she never does anything to the elves in my epilogue. So basically my experience with Anora has been positive and I don't think she betrayed the Warden who stupidly pointed her out to the enemy. But, YMMV. I know what she does in the epilogue if she rules alone, I just don't care.
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Post by phoray on Apr 21, 2019 21:16:18 GMT
Not my experience at all. I told her her father would absolutely not be executed but she would not have the Crown.
She comes out giving a grand speech about how I was an evil conniving power grabber or some such
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Post by melbella on Apr 21, 2019 22:09:32 GMT
So basically my experience with Anora has been positive and I don't think she betrayed the Warden who stupidly pointed her out to the enemy. But, YMMV. So, how do you explain Cauthrien showing up to block the escape route and somehow knowing Howe is dead, despite not having been to the dungeons to see for herself? Someone had to tell her, yes? Wonder who that was....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 21, 2019 22:11:46 GMT
So basically my experience with Anora has been positive and I don't think she betrayed the Warden who stupidly pointed her out to the enemy. But, YMMV. So, how do you explain Cauthrien showing up to block the escape route and somehow knowing Howe is dead, despite not having been to the dungeons to see for herself? Someone had to tell her, yes? Wonder who that was.... Considering the whole time Anora and Erlina are with us, not them. As for how to explain it, asically because the plot demanded it.
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Post by melbella on Apr 21, 2019 22:27:56 GMT
Considering the whole time Anora and Erlina are with us, not them. No, they aren't. We find the room Anora is in, only to learn it is (now) magically sealed. Funny no one mentioned *that* before. Erlina stays behind while we go to the dungeons to take out the mage/s creating the barrier. So, the barrier comes down, and, before we get back, Anora and Erlina have time to do whatever. Anora is conveniently wearing a disguise. Did she have it all along, or did she have Erlina go get it for her while they waited? Then Cauthrien magically appears at the door, blocking the exit, and somehow knows Howe is dead. There's no way she could have found out on her own or we would have run into her or her men on our way back out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 21, 2019 22:41:20 GMT
Considering the whole time Anora and Erlina are with us, not them. No, they aren't. We find the room Anora is in, only to learn it is (now) magically sealed. Funny no one mentioned *that* before. Erlina stays behind while we go to the dungeons to take out the mage/s creating the barrier. So, the barrier comes down, and, before we get back, Anora and Erlina have time to do whatever. Anora is conveniently wearing a disguise. Did she have it all along, or did she have Erlina go get it for her while they waited? Then Cauthrien magically appears at the door, blocking the exit, and somehow knows Howe is dead. There's no way she could have found out on her own or we would have run into her or her men on our way back out.
Considering there are multiple entrances to the basement actually it is quite feasible that she could have found out without there being a traitor or anything like that.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 22, 2019 0:22:52 GMT
Not my experience at all. I told her her father would absolutely not be executed but she would not have the Crown. She comes out giving a grand speech about how I was an evil conniving power grabber or some such So you basically told the Queen of Ferelden you planned to take her crown. Of course she sees your Warden as evil and conniving. And of course she's going to want to hold onto it and will give a grand speech about the Warden being a power grabber...because that's what the warden is actually trying to do when they are gathering support to grab Queen Anora's power and give it to a bumbling idiot named Alistair.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 22, 2019 0:23:39 GMT
So basically my experience with Anora has been positive and I don't think she betrayed the Warden who stupidly pointed her out to the enemy. But, YMMV. So, how do you explain Cauthrien showing up to block the escape route and somehow knowing Howe is dead, despite not having been to the dungeons to see for herself? Someone had to tell her, yes? Wonder who that was.... No deeper meaning other than the plot demanded it, IMO.
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Post by phoray on Apr 22, 2019 2:35:53 GMT
Not my experience at all. I told her her father would absolutely not be executed but she would not have the Crown. She comes out giving a grand speech about how I was an evil conniving power grabber or some such So you basically told the Queen of Ferelden you planned to take her crown. Of course she sees your Warden as evil and conniving. And of course she's going to want to hold onto it and will give a grand speech about the Warden being a power grabber...because that's what the warden is actually trying to do when they are gathering support to grab Queen Anora's power and give it to a bumbling idiot named Alistair. The Fereldan Crown is not a birth right or a marriage right. The minute Cailan died she would have simply been Acting Regent until such time as a proper VOTE was held by the Bannorn. She had nothing for me to take. She's just as much of a power grabber as her father, the usurper, Logain. That was the whole damn issue; he and and Anita were forcing a Monarchy on something that was more like a democracy
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Post by cyberpunker on Apr 22, 2019 2:49:44 GMT
It amuses me that some/so many players believe Anora betrayed them. When the Warden goes to rescue Anora, she's dressed as a guard and asks the Warden not to give away her identity. So what do some Wardens do immediately after running smack into Loghain's people? "Look, Ser Cauthrien, it's the Queen!" Now of course Anora has to cover her ass because some Wardens point her out to the enemy. Her whole reasoning in trying to get the Warden to help her was to stop Loghain from going too far. She obviously wasn't sincere though because if the Warden was in a life or death situation, Anora-being the queen regent-would have naturally been able to tell Cauthrein to back off. She was playing both sides by using the Warden, but still being in Loghain's good graces. This is cynical power grabbing 101 by Anora. That's why she betrayed you and that's why she deserves to die at least according to my Dalish Warden. My Cousland Warden was also using Anora to get the throne, so he didn't care. My Elven Mage Warden was going to put Alistair on the throne after he executes Anora, so she couldn't care less either. My Dwarven Noble Warden was cynical enough to recognize Anora for who she was and what power grab game she was playing, and decided that Anora was still the best choice.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 22, 2019 10:58:49 GMT
So you basically told the Queen of Ferelden you planned to take her crown. Of course she sees your Warden as evil and conniving. And of course she's going to want to hold onto it and will give a grand speech about the Warden being a power grabber...because that's what the warden is actually trying to do when they are gathering support to grab Queen Anora's power and give it to a bumbling idiot named Alistair. The Fereldan Crown is not a birth right or a marriage right. The minute Cailan died she would have simply been Acting Regent until such time as a proper VOTE was held by the Bannorn. She had nothing for me to take. She's just as much of a power grabber as her father, the usurper, Logain. That was the whole damn issue; he and and Anita were forcing a Monarchy on something that was more like a democracy OK, well, she was still called Queen Anora in my game because numerous people call her that while in Denerim for the Landsmeet, so my assumption was that she's still Queen for the time being, until the vote. I love these games because there's so many different ways to see things. I always saw Alistair as the usurper. I always marry him off to Anora. In the epilogue they make a good team. I'm gonna be honest, I love DAO but the Landsmeet is kind of a mess, and so is Loghain's role in some places. At the Landsmeet, Loghain tells you that he's prince-regent because Ferelden already has a Queen: Anora. But earlier his messenger or some such at the gates of Orzammar refers to Loghain as King Loghain. You know what else, I tried to have my dog duel Loghain, but Eamon wouldn't let me.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Apr 22, 2019 11:01:37 GMT
It amuses me that some/so many players believe Anora betrayed them. When the Warden goes to rescue Anora, she's dressed as a guard and asks the Warden not to give away her identity. So what do some Wardens do immediately after running smack into Loghain's people? "Look, Ser Cauthrien, it's the Queen!" Now of course Anora has to cover her ass because some Wardens point her out to the enemy. Her whole reasoning in trying to get the Warden to help her was to stop Loghain from going too far. She obviously wasn't sincere though because if the Warden was in a life or death situation, Anora-being the queen regent-would have naturally been able to tell Cauthrein to back off. She was playing both sides by using the Warden, but still being in Loghain's good graces. This is cynical power grabbing 101 by Anora. That's why she betrayed you and that's why she deserves to die at least according to my Dalish Warden. My Cousland Warden was also using Anora to get the throne, so he didn't care. My Elven Mage Warden was going to put Alistair on the throne after he executes Anora, so she couldn't care less either. My Dwarven Noble Warden was cynical enough to recognize Anora for who she was and what power grab game she was playing, and decided that Anora was still the best choice. I like your different roleplay on this! I have tried to roleplay different things at the Landsmeet but always just arrange for Anora and Alistair to marry. My Wardens need more follow through. I plan to roleplay, but I always go OOC at the Landsmeet.
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Post by TabithaTH on Apr 23, 2019 11:04:13 GMT
Whenever I romance someone who could get together with another npc, I usually feel like I'm breaking them up, even if their potential love story never starts in the first place. Either that or I get a little jealous when I see my LI form another PT show interest in someone else.
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Post by Sokemis on Apr 24, 2019 1:19:37 GMT
Whenever I romance someone who could get together with another npc, I usually feel like I'm breaking them up, even if their potential love story never starts in the first place. Either that or I get a little jealous when I see my LI form another PT show interest in someone else. I have no problem romancing Fenris, and potentially taking him away from Isabela. I do however have to talk myself into romancing either Isabela or Merrill since I headcanon them as a couple. At least with Isabela I can pretend she's in a polyamorous relationship with both Hawke and Merrill... Pretty much the only thing I have against making Cole more human is that it prevents Krem from getting together with Maryden.
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Post by copper on Apr 24, 2019 2:54:52 GMT
So far it's been a non issue for me in Bioware games. Garrus is my favorite ME romance, but if him and Tali get together it's later in the series than him and Shepard so I don't feel like I'm breaking them up for some reason.
I have nothing against Fenris and Isabela together, but they're my favorite romances in that game so if Hawke isn't romancing one of them they're romancing the other. Sooo I've never actually seen their relationship banter.
For Inquisition all the characters who can end up together seem happy in their relationships though, so whenever I do finally play that game Dorian, the Iron Bull, and Sera will probably all be off the table for me.
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Post by TabithaTH on Apr 24, 2019 9:13:50 GMT
Fenris was my first LI in DA2, so him and Isabela getting together makes me feel kinda jealous, same with Garrus and Tali.
I've only played ME once, with Garrus as LI. Yet hearing him speak of Tali after choosing Legion, I did feel like there were some hidden feelings that could have blossomed had I not snagged him away from her first.
On the other hand, Sera, Bull and Dorian are the ones where I really feel like I'm imposing and taking away their chance at true happiness. Probably why they're the LI I haven't fully completed yet.
Granted, Most of this is likely because I played back to back, so any "feelings" I had for a character (or their relationship with others) were still present when I replayed the game.
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Post by cyberpunker on Apr 24, 2019 10:44:46 GMT
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Post by boxofscreaming on Apr 24, 2019 18:32:41 GMT
It kind of bugs me that everyone speaks the same language.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 24, 2019 18:53:44 GMT
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Post by Iddy on Apr 25, 2019 1:43:15 GMT
Does anyone else here like putting on the Winter Palace outfit whenever there is a judgment?
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Post by Sifr on Apr 25, 2019 3:24:13 GMT
It kind of bugs me that everyone speaks the same language. Blame the Dwarves, the common tongue was originally their trade language.
Also blame the Tevinters, who most likely spread the language across Thedas.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Apr 25, 2019 16:16:52 GMT
It kind of bugs me that everyone speaks the same language. Blame the Dwarves, the common tongue was originally their trade language.
Also blame the Tevinters, who most likely spread the language across Thedas.
I have a hard time believing there'd be that much linguistic homogeneity in a society without mass media or (presumably) state education though. Even if the Tevinters spread it when they ruled Thedas, I'd expect over a thousand years it'd have evolved into multiple different regional languages.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 26, 2019 2:12:00 GMT
I have a hard time believing there'd be that much linguistic homogeneity in a society without mass media or (presumably) state education though. Even if the Tevinters spread it when they ruled Thedas, I'd expect over a thousand years it'd have evolved into multiple different regional languages. The lore surrounding language has been a little inconsistent.
Origins mentions that the Chant has been translated into numerous languages (with mention of an awful pun that exists in the Orlesian version) and we've heard odd snippets of French and Spanish from Orlesians and Antivans, suggesting that other languages besides the common tongue do exist in those countries.
Inquisition complicates this though because no-one in Orlais seems to speak anything besides the common tongue... which even if you assume everyone is bilingual and speaking the common tongue solely for the Inquisitor's benefit, doesn't explain why everyone is speaking it to each other when the Inquisitor is not around?
(I believe that this was only done for simplicity, so players didn't have to struggle with everyone in Orlais speaking "French")
On a side note, even though all the Chasind we've met speak the common language, they have their own "strange language" according to Morrigan. It's not clear whether the Avvar have their own language too, but you'd think they should? But that does show that other languages are spoken in Ferelden, even if the games don't really make a point of depicting them or referencing them all that often.
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