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Post by copper on May 30, 2019 21:40:52 GMT
Maybe somewhat ironically I can see Alistair and Anora being in a happy relationship in different circumstances (ie Loghain wasn’t Anora’s father). Anora just seems like she’d be similar to an Alistairmancing warden. In any case they seem to have a good working relationship and respect each other by Inquisition.
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Post by Sokemis on May 30, 2019 23:30:12 GMT
I think it takes an idealistic or emotional Warden to put Alistair on the throne. Or a Warden that really hates/mistrusts Anora… Or be the power behind the throne in the case of my Aeducan Or just marry them together. Or marry him yourself in the case of F!Cousland. But yeah, Alistair + Anora does seem to be the best for the kingdom. And on a meta level it's the only way to keep him from becoming a wandering drunk if you spare Loghain Or you could just have him executed...
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Post by melbella on May 31, 2019 1:30:31 GMT
Or you could just have him executed... This is the only thing I haven't done with Alistair. I've managed to abuse him every other way though.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jun 1, 2019 21:42:56 GMT
Today I killed Connor for the first time in all my playthroughs and while I argued with myself it's a mercy kill...I felt horrible watching Isolde break down as she soothes her son before killing him
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I want to lick the red lyrium icicles. They look so satisfying and tasty that I don't even get the feeling of danger from them. They would taste like raspberries and despair.
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Post by phoray on Aug 23, 2019 11:17:03 GMT
I was in my Women's Gender studies class yesterday and was asked to divide up attributes into Male and Female.
I get to "courageous", write female, then ask myself why when the "traditional" answer would be male.
The Image of the form of a female Inquisitor comes to mind. Then I think of Lara Croft second and I don't even play that series. (special further thinking mention to Aloy from HZD) Video games can certainly form your brain.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 23, 2019 12:26:26 GMT
Today I killed Connor for the first time in all my playthroughs and while I argued with myself it's a mercy kill...I felt horrible watching Isolde break down as she soothes her son before killing him One of the moral issues here is that... it shouldn't be the Warden's decision. S/He was no right or authority in this situation. Sure, it can be done in a way that Isolde is convinced that it is necessary. But initially, the Warden was going to end Connor's life without his mother's consent.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 23, 2019 12:33:43 GMT
Today I killed Connor for the first time in all my playthroughs and while I argued with myself it's a mercy kill...I felt horrible watching Isolde break down as she soothes her son before killing him One of the moral issues here is that... it shouldn't be the Warden's decision. S/He was no right or authority in this situation. Sure, it can be done in a way that Isolde is convinced that it is necessary. But initially, the Warden was going to end Connor's life without his mother's consent. Yeah, that's why I tend to avoid picking that option
at the time I played a Warden who was morally ambiguous inching toward more evil choices (such as keeping the Anvil of the Void which essentially enslaves living souls)
as I said, while it's a mercy kill (if you see him during Inquisition you might argue killing him is a good option because he's so miserable) I agree that it's not a choice the Warden should be allowed to make sure Connor is a danger at that moment, but he's still an innocent child who's doing things (mostly) beyond his own choice
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Post by Iddy on Aug 23, 2019 12:44:41 GMT
One of the moral issues here is that... it shouldn't be the Warden's decision. S/He was no right or authority in this situation. Sure, it can be done in a way that Isolde is convinced that it is necessary. But initially, the Warden was going to end Connor's life without his mother's consent. Yeah, that's why I tend to avoid picking that option
at the time I played a Warden who was morally ambiguous inching toward more evil choices (such as keeping the Anvil of the Void which essentially enslaves living souls)
as I said, while it's a mercy kill (if you see him during Inquisition you might argue killing him is a good option because he's so miserable) I agree that it's not a choice the Warden should be allowed to make sure Connor is a danger at that moment, but he's still an innocent child who's doing things (mostly) beyond his own choice
Connor just wanted to save his dad. And yeah, it is a morally ambiguous choice, which is why it's one of the only "evil choices" I can bring myself to do without feeling too dirty. All that said, I don't really regret making this choice in my canon DAO pt. You can't call it a good story if everything goes well or the hero is always right.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 23, 2019 13:46:53 GMT
Connor just wanted to save his dad. And yeah, it is a morally ambiguous choice, which is why it's one of the only "evil choices" I can bring myself to do without feeling too dirty. All that said, I don't really regret making this choice in my canon DAO pt. You can't call it a good story if everything goes well or the hero is always right. It's funny, even most of the more morally good choices can be viewed as bad ones...
for example, in my (current) canon DAO playthrough I made my Warden Queen alongside Alistair, and while it's a happy ending...it does leave the question about succession. both of them are infertile, and even if the Warden cures the Calling, there's still the question about whether or not they'll get their fertility back in time to produce an heir so all in all, it's highly likely I killed off two bloodlines (depending on whether or not Fergus remarries) three if you count the Mac Tir's) in one playthrough
I also made Bhelen King of Orzammar, and while he produces a stronger Orzammar, he's still a s.o.b dictator type of person who'll kill anyone who stands against him
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Post by phoray on Aug 23, 2019 20:58:04 GMT
That's not how that country's politics works, so don't feel too bad about it. Yes, the people of the Landsmeet have a fondness for the Theirin Bloodline when it comes to picking their next Figurehead of a Leader, but they have happily put other bloodlines on the throne in the past. Cailin is dead, no matter what you do. Alistair is a Warden, no matter what you do. and Anora was barren, no matter what you do. These lines are coming to an end no matter what you do.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 23, 2019 21:15:36 GMT
That's not how that country's politics works, so don't feel too bad about it. Yes, the people of the Landsmeet have a fondness for the Theirin Bloodline when it comes to picking their next Figurehead of a Leader, but they have happily put other bloodlines on the throne in the past. Cailin is dead, no matter what you do. Alistair is a Warden, no matter what you do. and Anora was barren, no matter what you do. These lines are coming to an end no matter what you do. True enough...and hey, who knows...maybe they'll appoint Fergus as the next King , seeing as he's alive regardless of what origin you pick (as evidenced from that one war table mission in Inquisition) I mean, they were going to appoint papa Cousland as King after Maric died/disappeared but he declined the offer, and the Couslands are/were second only to the King plus, I can get behind Fergus as King...he seems like a nice fellow
however is my happy head canon world state my Warden Narah finds a cure to the Blight and miraculously gets children after all (because she and Alistair both deserve happiness damnit!)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 23, 2019 22:59:11 GMT
That's not how that country's politics works, so don't feel too bad about it. Yes, the people of the Landsmeet have a fondness for the Theirin Bloodline when it comes to picking their next Figurehead of a Leader, but they have happily put other bloodlines on the throne in the past. Cailin is dead, no matter what you do. Alistair is a Warden, no matter what you do. and Anora was barren, no matter what you do. These lines are coming to an end no matter what you do. Is it ever confirmed Anora is barren? I know Eamon suggests it hence Cailan looking to remarry, but considering he never had any heirs despite having multiple affairs I saw him being the one that couldn’t have kids not her.
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Post by phoray on Aug 24, 2019 1:29:04 GMT
That's not how that country's politics works, so don't feel too bad about it. Yes, the people of the Landsmeet have a fondness for the Theirin Bloodline when it comes to picking their next Figurehead of a Leader, but they have happily put other bloodlines on the throne in the past. Cailin is dead, no matter what you do. Alistair is a Warden, no matter what you do. and Anora was barren, no matter what you do. These lines are coming to an end no matter what you do. Is it ever confirmed Anora is barren? I know Eamon suggests it hence Cailan looking to remarry, but considering he never had any heirs despite having multiple affairs I saw him being the one that couldn’t have kids not her. you are correct in that it was always narrativly hinted at and never confirmed by devs. I think it ends up being a moot point. As either because her partner is barren due to being a Warden (male cousland or Alistair), or she refuses to remarry with someone who may be fertile, because she doesn't wish to share power. she proceeds not to have children either way and is now very much too old.
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Post by Sokemis on Aug 24, 2019 2:15:49 GMT
Today I killed Connor for the first time in all my playthroughs and while I argued with myself it's a mercy kill...I felt horrible watching Isolde break down as she soothes her son before killing him All that said, I don't really regret making this choice in my canon DAO pt. You can't call it a good story if everything goes well or the hero is always right. In my very first playthrough I killed Connor by accident (in my defense, my first playthrough of any game is usually a hot mess where I miss obvious hint/clues, lol) - I didn't realize that trying to go into Eamon's room would cause the demon to attack. Then I tried to back out of killing Connor, and Isolde was all "No, no you're right. Just please let me do it". What the hell, you were just begging me to find another way - I'm saying we'll take the other way and going to the Circle! See, packing my bag now... "Just look at the flowers for Mother, baby" Took the "good choice" a few times after that, then went back and did my proper canon pt (which was basically a replay of my first one, with some tweaks). Realized I liked the "things don't always work perfectly" feel to killing Connor and felt it was the choice I think she would have made (she was convinced the demon would kill/destroy what was left of Redcliffe before they got back, especially after hearing the rumors of weird goings-on at the Circle). It's probably the decision she most regrets having to make, but will defend her choice to the end.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 24, 2019 2:24:14 GMT
Is it ever confirmed Anora is barren? I know Eamon suggests it hence Cailan looking to remarry, but considering he never had any heirs despite having multiple affairs I saw him being the one that couldn’t have kids not her. you are correct in that it was always narrativly hinted at and never confirmed by devs. I think it ends up being a moot point. As either because her partner is barren due to being a Warden (male cousland or Alistair), or she refuses to remarry with someone who may be fertile, because she doesn't wish to share power. she proceeds not to have children either way and is now very much too old. Pfft, screw that voice. The Cousland I had marry her and her had kids once he came back cured of the Blight and you can’t prove me wrong.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 24, 2019 8:31:14 GMT
Today I killed Connor for the first time in all my playthroughs and while I argued with myself it's a mercy kill...I felt horrible watching Isolde break down as she soothes her son before killing him All that said, I don't really regret making this choice in my canon DAO pt. You can't call it a good story if everything goes well or the hero is always right. In my very first playthrough I killed Connor by accident (in my defense, my first playthrough of any game is usually a hot mess where I miss obvious hint/clues, lol) - I didn't realize that trying to go into Eamon's room would cause the demon to attack. Then I tried to back out of killing Connor, and Isolde was all "No, no you're right. Just please let me do it". What the hell, you were just begging me to find another way - I'm saying we'll take the other way and going to the Circle! See, packing my bag now... "Just look at the flowers for Mother, baby" Took the "good choice" a few times after that, then went back and did my proper canon pt (which was basically a replay of my first one, with some tweaks). Realized I liked the "things don't always work perfectly" feel to killing Connor and felt it was the choice I think she would have made (she was convinced the demon would kill/destroy what was left of Redcliffe before they got back, especially after hearing the rumors of weird goings-on at the Circle). It's probably the decision she most regrets having to make, but will defend her choice to the end. In my first playthrough I had a similar thing happening, only that I had killed Isolde...with blood magic
just like you I went in blind and just did what other characters told me; Alistair: we should go to Redcliffe first me: okay, you got it *finds Jowan* Jowan: lemme help you fix this
me: okay, sure... *goes into the hall and finds demon Connor with wailing momma Isolde* me: okay...so either kill the child or not kill the child Jowan: uhm, I could do a blood magic ritual to send someone into the Fade Isolde: then I'll be the sacrifice for that me: well, okay Alistair: disapproves -1000
I have tried doing more morally grey Wardens in the past, but for some reason my canon Warden Narah defaulted into being a goody two shoes
I really need to try making a morally grey character some time...hm, maybe using dice to decide on choices
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Post by Sokemis on Aug 24, 2019 13:19:37 GMT
I usually like Alistair, but he annoys me so much in that quest line. He yelled at you for killing Isolde. Yet if you kill Connor, he yells at you for that as well. And his argument at camp isn't even "we should have gotten help from the mages", it's "we should have let Isolde sacrifice herself". I really need to try making a morally grey character some time...hm, maybe using dice to decide on choices I had a dwarf noble that was fun and I should revisit. Basically my decision making process with her was "What would Cersei Lannister do?"
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 24, 2019 13:49:25 GMT
I usually like Alistair, but he annoys me so much in that quest line. He yelled at you for killing Isolde. Yet if you kill Connor, he yells at you for that as well. And his argument at camp isn't even "we should have gotten help from the mages", it's "we should have let Isolde sacrifice herself". I really need to try making a morally grey character some time...hm, maybe using dice to decide on choices I had a dwarf noble that was fun and I should revisit. Basically my decision making process with her was "What would Cersei Lannister do?" yeah, I never read/watched GoT, so I have only an inkling about what kind of character Cersei is I mean, I know she's crazy...and in love with her brother...but that's about it
however, I was thinking the other day about what kind of character would be well, out of touch the most with the rest of the world, and I thought maybe a dwarf commoner/castless
(which makes me want to rethink my canon world state...again ) I mean think about it, they have no knowledge about the surface world, and anything they do know is likely second hand at best those kinds of characters would be able to get away with so many questions because again, they don't for example know anything about why those silly humans worship a lady who got herself put on fire. I mean, why would you put yourself on fire? Wouldn't a warm coat or some shoes work just as well to keep yourself warm? Also, what's a templar, why are you people so afraid of mages? I feel like they would be one of the few characters would wouldn't know anything about that.
I only every played a dwarf once, and he was a bit more morally ambiguous (kept the Anvil (anything to keep Orzammar safe) and burned down Amaranthine), makes me want to make another commoner
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Post by Sokemis on Aug 24, 2019 14:22:02 GMT
yeah, I never read/watched GoT, so I have only an inkling about what kind of character Cersei is I mean, I know she's crazy...and in love with her brother...but that's about it Basically it was "her first, everyone else second" - a willingness to do anything to stay in power and not caring who got hurt in the process, but balancing that with making choices that keep people (mostly Alistair) blindly happy and loyal. I never did finish her because I couldn't decide if she could theoretically be more the "power behind Ferelden's throne" as (1) staying on as the mistress and advisor (or Teyrna of Gwaren) of a hardened Alistiar; or (2) staying on as the advisor and friend of soft Alistair. My dwarf commoner is one of my favorite Wardens - so much potential of unfiltered fun, while at the same time playing up that utter ignorance of surface life that you mentioned
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 24, 2019 14:51:35 GMT
yeah, I never read/watched GoT, so I have only an inkling about what kind of character Cersei is I mean, I know she's crazy...and in love with her brother...but that's about it Basically it was "her first, everyone else second" - a willingness to do anything to stay in power and not caring who got hurt in the process, but balancing that with making choices that keep people (mostly Alistair) blindly happy and loyal. I never did finish her because I couldn't decide if she could theoretically be more the "power behind Ferelden's throne" as (1) staying on as the mistress and advisor (or Teyrna of Gwaren) of a hardened Alistiar; or (2) staying on as the advisor and friend of soft Alistair. My dwarf commoner is one of my favorite Wardens - so much potential of unfiltered fun, while at the same time playing up that utter ignorance of surface life that you mentioned my dwarf commoner ended up romancing Leliana of all people, I like to think she kept him on a more straightened path and keep him from completely descending into power hungry madness
I'm currently still pondering if I want to make a completely human world state, or make characters in different races the human one is fun, but also boring...seeing as all of them are nobles and that's a bit meh (really wished Origins had a commoner origin for humans)
the different races one does give me more interesting and varied characters to choose from as a whole, which also gives me more varied choices in concern to their classes
my dwarf commoner was a hammer flinging warrior, with champion and guardian as specializations (and I believe also berserker to fill out all the slots), which was a lot of fun to play hm, I think once I finish up my current Hawke I'll return to Origins to make a dwarfy lass (I already have a name for her)
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Post by DragonEffect on Sept 1, 2019 22:51:24 GMT
The Solas romance is just disappointing in every level.
I'm replaying it right now. It's as if the devs didn't intend to make the character romanceable at all and just shoved romantic animations to satisfy the elven Inquisitor. Compare it with the Cullen romance, for example. With Cullen, you have several dialogues and scenes dedicated to their relationship. He discusses his addiction problem with you, showing he trusts you. He cares about you by asking how you're holding up. He gives you a gift, a token to keep you safe in battle. All this builds the relationship and makes it more satisfying to pursue.
Now with Solas, there's no passion, no intimate moments. Just a quick confession from him - "You change everything"? Really? -, two kissing scenes, some crap about vallaslin, a random dance somewhere and that's it. We don't even see them together in bed and he mentions them getting laid. Or having normal conversation, as it happens with Cullen on the battlements. The Inquisitor could talk to Solas about Clan Lavellan, about her concerns for elves, for being considered the herald of a human mythical figure, her conflict by letting people die in the Fade or even about Solas' mysterious background. We don't get anything. It's as if all they do is kiss now and then and just carry on with their duties, never sharing any real intimacy. WHAT. THE HELL.
Developers, what were you thinking? Why not create a normal Dalish elf that Lavellan can romance instead of forcing a flimsy affair with Solas, who's clearly reluctant to enter a relationship? It's frustrating and it makes me think you put ZERO effort into the Solas romance. I mean, you created Ameridan. You created Abelas. Both are by far more interesting than an elf with no background who's reluctant to talk about his past and engage in anything remotely akin to romance. Why not have someone like them available for the Inquisitor to date? Imagine how cool it would be to date an elf who's actually knowledgeable about the history of the Dales, an accomplished fighter and willing to have the most interesting discussion with the Inquisitor about the elves' past. Imagine them sharing their view on the humans' idea of an elf being the Herald of Andraste and leading an organisation that rivals the Chantry. Imagine them discussing an elven Hero of Ferelden and how they changed Fereldans' opinion of elves in general (especially if HoF is King Alistair's mistress). Imagine what they wouldn't have to discuss after visiting Mythal's Temple. We lost all this because Solas. Yeah. Nice move, developers. Thank you so much for this.
"Oh, but Lavellan can date Sera." Just. No. If you're aiming for someone like Solas, the last thing you want is to date someone with Sera's personality.
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Post by Sokemis on Sept 1, 2019 23:45:49 GMT
DragonEffect If I remember correctly, Solas actually wasn't originally supposed to be a love interest. I read somewhere that they added his romance part when the game got delayed. Which is probably why his isn't as developed as the others.
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Post by melbella on Sept 2, 2019 0:12:05 GMT
DragonEffect If I remember correctly, Solas actually wasn't originally supposed to be a love interest. I read somewhere that they added his romance part when the game got delayed. Which is probably why his isn't as developed as the others.
I romanced Solas in my first PT and in my second, was surprised as hell the Fade sequence still occurred. Seems like that should have been romance specific and have nothing to do with the mark. At least, I would have preferred it that way. Solas' dream creeping is creepy enough, but I didn't like the fact he ascribed emotions to my Inquisitor that they didn't actually have (ie being fond of Haven, for starters).
Cullen's romance was also a late addition but it definitely did not feel like it. Even as a non-companion, there was still a ton of content and it didn't feel tacked on.
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Post by Iddy on Sept 2, 2019 11:49:58 GMT
I don't read most codices and the text you get when you discover a landmark.
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